2 racist royals?

[drowninginjelly]

So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

I really recommend you don’t embarrass yourselves further.

No you shouldn’t have to just suck it up. Shame on them.

I second that.

If I was making this accusation and wanting people to believe me then I would tell them what exactly was said to prove my point, so why are they not doing that?

also, if this was a so called private conversation then how does anybody actually know? Who told who?

I have no doubt that there are racist people in the royal family, however, that doesn’t mean everybody is racist. Also, the younger generation are much better at not being racist so it surprises me that Catherine would be one of them. Obviously, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true so maybe tell us what was said so we can make our own minds up.

it has a feeling of the drip drip drip of poison in people ears without actually saying anything factual that has happened that ends up making people hate them for no apparent reason.

I am not in the least embarrassed.

I agree with this and I'm half black. I'm not a fan of royalty at all, and wish they would all go away, but I found Meghan and Harry's antics to be beyond embarrassing.

@Lampzade
"I thought that her calling herself Caucasian was proved to be untrue."

I think it was part of her CV. As an actor she would have included that she could "pass" as Caucasian to maximise her work choices.

I’m not embarrassed.

The ‘will not stop’ is a bit of a reach. Harry said it was one conversation before they were married.

'criticism of Meghan can originate from something other than racism you know.
I can't stand Prince Andrew, but nobody would say that's motivated by racism.'

The false equivalence of Meghan & Andrew is really troubling to me - and reflects really badly on the Meghan-haters Andrew is an accused rapist who paid off his accuser with millions (and has been quietly welcomed back into the Royal fold)

Whereas Meghan is hated based on what is reported on things she has supposedly said and done by an overwhelmingly vitriolic Press. And some posters on here have just sucked the hate up.

Well it was Harry who said the racism doesn't exist (despite taking an award for standing up to it)

And as pointed out repeatedly, Meghan has never herself accused the RF of racism.

So taking them at their word - including the words in Endgame, which are "unconscious bias" - then no, there was no racism by the RF that "the brown woman" (as pp put it) has ever complained of.

It is far from clear what was said, and whether any concerns were fair ones. After all, as linked on the other thread, there were articles and tweets from the time of the engagement onwards about whether Catherine's slightly olive skin tone would mean the next heir was unusually dark skinned. So there are all sorts of possible scenarios about comments, including ones that could be positively helpful.

Recollections may vary is a brilliant phrase. And for the general public, it means "you don't know what's been going on"
And I think that, unless Harry is prepared to say what was actually said to or in front of him, plus how he told Meghan about it, then we cannot draw any conclusions about it, and it is very unfair to assume that something as serious as racism had occurred, or indeed something as pernicious as denial of racism.

H&M do not have a good tract record of their truth actually aligning with verifiable events.

Another pp pointed out that class discrimination was also an issue - I think that's relevant. Both Sophie and particularly Catherine were on the receiving end of that, also Fergie to some extent (protected by her friendship with Diana, but still blasted as "vulgar, vulgar, vulgar") It's clearly not an easy world to join.

Also, the younger generation are much better at not being racist so it surprises me that Catherine would be one of them

The one thing that would surprise me is that if Catherine was racist she made it known.

She has spent years perfectly saying the right thing or saying nothing. Not giving an opinion. Even within that family they don’t just freely chat away like normal all the time - this is a family that curtsied to Granny.

To then openly make a racist comment would be a very odd decision.

I’d really like to know the full conversation. Because imo it’s either misconstrued/misrepresented or there was a level of comfort being openly racist in front of multiple people and that would say a huge amount about all of the family. Especially now that one person has become two people and one conversation has become multiple conversations.

@Ilovecleaning "
Exactly. A relative of mine was about to become the GP of a new baby who was going to be ‘one quarter Asian’. We talked about his/her colour with delight."

I'd love to know how the mother of this baby felt....

Regardless, it is only a matter of time until we get an Andrew in the direct line of succession. That is what you get with hereditary monarchy - no choice.

This.

They aren't racist in a million years. Mm is a nasty piece of work and it all stems from jealousy. Harry is an arrogant idiot.

A couple speculating on their child’s facial features is somewhat different from the couple’s relatives speculating on the child’s skin colour. It’s insensitive and inappropriate/borderline weird at best.

Oh who would have thought that the RF weren't racist coming from a history of imperialism.
Classism and racism go hand in hand with the royal family. Add religious differences too to the mix you will not be first choice in this establishment. As a woman who is from a different religious and ethnic background I would never marry someone from this firm and I can easily understand her perspective why things would never work out and why you will never be one of them. Even the people in this thread who defend the RF like their own life depend on it would never fit in and will face the classism cold shoulder and would run for the hills complaining about how unfair things are.

There's also the culture difference with the US vs UK where the US feels that everything needs to be modernised or saved and be vocal which wouldn't sit well with a traditional establishment who sticks to traditions. Even if she never married into the RF, I doubt she would have ever bonded with anyone even as friends from a similar background. In circles like this, you will never be one of them. Harry is of course the blame in all of this, he could have led a life as a private citizen before Meghan but of course he wouldn't have been able to bag Meghan without using the royal title. Women from his previous circle know the gist about the RF and British traditions and customs and wouldn't settle for the spare to live a restricted life and hounded by the vile press every min. Overall, I've never been dogmatic with anything or the RF or any celeb but I can understand where MM is coming from and wouldn't dismiss such claims.

Obviously no one knows what happened. I have mixed race children, and I am the 'brown' one. Having a conversation with both parents present in a 'I wonder what the babies will look like' way is not racist. Saying 'But what if the kid is too dark' or whatever was said to the White parent when the other parent is not present in a 'concerned' way is racist. Its all about context, and it looks like the conversation was relayed to Meghan by Harry who may have taken it the wrong way. Considering the titles thing wasn't explained to her properly in the same conversation and she seems to have conflated the two things, with no correction even off air from Harry. He could have said 'Meghan misunderstood that, can you take it out' of the Oprah interview, and explained to her that that was not said. He didn't. Id be surprised if Charles said something like that. I wouldnt be surprised about any of the others. I wouldn't be surprised. considering how hot headed William is that he said something or relayed a private conversation to Harry in the middle of an argument.

Ultimately the whole think is just sad and tedious at this stage.

M & H could have the life they claim they wanted away from the royal family: they have freedom, money, lovely kids, youth and health

Instead it seems they are unable to appreciate what their life and seem to crave constant attention and have a need to endlessly go over the past and get 'revenge' on the family.

I am sure the royal family is not perfect, in fact we all know how dysfunctional they all are, but it seems to me like M & H are only hurting themselves in the end and messing up their chance at happiness.

She was part of the conversation and talked about her own diverse family.
ok - now tell me how you think she was inwardly weeping and trying bravely to cope….

The reverse based on what? On what you have read about her?

Anyway, when the first non-white person marries into a family and tries their very best to integrate into a totally different family culture and yet it still ends up in a civil war it’s not a great look.

Agreed. The first non-white person to marry into the RF is now living in exile in the US.

I'm not sure I've ever defended the royal family in my life but context is important and how it was said. My husband has many varying skintones in his family as there's lots of half siblings and different ethnicities. Everyone in his family talked about what skin tone our child might be, just in a curious way as we look very different.

No doubt you’re not but you should be.