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2 racist royals?

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drowninginjelly · 29/11/2023 22:03

So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

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thisplaceiscraziness · 30/11/2023 08:47

i’ve decided to write something - neoclassical i think your all awful about M and H , none of us know what the hell went on - watching the crown and the trekking of the colour every year doesn’t make us experts on them or their family- any of them.
But whilst we are making sweeping assumptions about people’s lives, thoughts and behaviours based on books and soundbites and our own *stuff..

I got bored and wrote a little assumption of my own below - interestingly i chose a slightly kinder narrative- surprisingly easy to make a story based on your preferences, i made the choice to consider a different view :

Imagine being pregnant with your first child.
You’ve been welcomed into a family, but they have various customs and traditions. You are well aware that they are all successful, strong people, very well known. You have been managing quite a lot into the run up to the pregnancy, trying to fit into the family and the new job they gave you.

You are more of a yoga , free girl- but you love him so you crack on. You try to get them to think about some of your customs and traditions , but there is not really room for that.

You try to get on with everyone but your american and brown and an actress, a speaker,
your life up until. you have spoken out about issues, you speak for the UN… you are and always have been an advocate for others.
So this traditional family are wary of you, they are pretty dysfunctional( your own family has some dysfunctional stuff which makes you panic about how it all works daily !)
But being so successful, your in laws are not really are not really aware of the dynamics and how it impacts others, they are just the way they are.
Your sister in law, has welcomed you, she seems so powerful and together and she has this way of making you feel lesser, maybe it’s her, maybe it’s you - all you know is that it’s difficult for you. Especially as your husband has always been so relaxed with her, you really feel weird about how difficult it is.That one time you even tried to go for laid back, bare foot approach - this made her really weirded out..and it made you wonder if you could ever be yourself, so you started to shut down a bit..
many women end up with weird in law dynamics and you thought most would understand…mumsnet is full of women trying to figure out family dynamics so you felt like you'll be supported…

You have always known being mixed race leaves you in a bit of a no man’s land, that strange need to fit in, but not sure how sometimes.
People comment on you being light skinned, but they don’t comment on the slight differences you’ve noticed about your treatment,ever since you can remember, you never confront this with others or in yourself because , well, you want to be successful and known in your own right.But all those little comments burn a bit. make you question yourself.Its upsetting and demoralising but your mum raised you to be strong and proud.

During the pregnancy the baby’s future is discussed a lot, you are aware that your unborn child will have traditions and customs to follow from birth You know this and remain hopeful that your customs too will get a look in, but with hormones raging and that tiredness only pregnancy can bring, well, your resilience is low.

Then the discussion starts, about your first child, unborn child, at first you are polite , everyone talks about all things baby in the family and you accept this , even when you grow tired of it, but you are an American girl on your own with this pretty amazing family so you manage.

Then one day someone asks you outright how dark your child will be, and because of who they are - because of who you are, quite naturally your mind jumps to défense. You feel your skin crawl and that feeling of never fitting in rears up, but this time for your unborn child. Your mind wanders to the day the baby is born and the expectation that you will wheel him out to the world for all to see ( and judge ) it’s such a weird tradition - no one argues against it .. your mind goes back to how dark your baby will be chat

You do not feel like it’s the standard what will baby look like chat , this feels like something else, its that something else only people who are black/brown know how to describe, its a strange feeling. Ironic that admitting you feel it is often a betrayal to your own defences, your own determination that you can make it in the world, that the way your perceived through the difference of your skin won’t be a barrier.

That of course until it is.

You decide to tell the world, you learn a lot about yourself through the opening in your soul that those demanding accountability for racism are causing, for the first time in your lifetime, there is this movement again, it feels safer to speak m, it feels right even you feel its noisy enough for once to speak up

You speak to the world, but the media is filtered through a lense of whiteness , which is powerful and sweeping in its judgement. you think that perhaps the people will see, but they don’t and every time the world breathes your name, they don’t see you.. they see your family dynamics, they see your skin, they see your life choices and they twist it all up.
you have no power, only that which you create.

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 08:48

@kiki50 "and most of
us have more of an issue with H than M."

Really? It certainly doesn't look like that to an outside eye.....

Fulshaw · 30/11/2023 08:49

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 30/11/2023 08:43

I think the vague references to racism are unfair. If comments were made, we need to know exactly what was said, by whom and in what context - the actual words that were uttered and details of the wider conversation - and not just a paraphrased interpretation.

Without those details, I'm not willing to rule out the idea that Charles/Kate made racist comments, but equally, I'm not willing to draw the conclusion that they did make them. We just don't know.

Now that the names are in the public domain, I think the only fair solution for everyone is to get the detail of what was said out in the open. Of course, that's if they can actually agree on what was actually said.

I agree with you but it’s just not possible. Any conversation is subject to context, tone, memory, intention…..very difficult to confirm what was said, which may not be the same as what was meant anyway.

TrailingFig · 30/11/2023 08:49

TheFairyCaravan · 30/11/2023 08:43

My nieces and nephews are mixed race and , going by this thread, my family must be really weird because we never, ever discussed their potential skin tone. It just wasn’t necessary. It didn’t make the slightest bit of difference to any of us how light or dark they were going to be so it wasn’t a conversation that needed to be had.

Just because it’s discussed doesn’t mean it makes a difference and I can’t imagine being in a family who only have necessary conversations.

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:49

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 30/11/2023 08:43

I think the vague references to racism are unfair. If comments were made, we need to know exactly what was said, by whom and in what context - the actual words that were uttered and details of the wider conversation - and not just a paraphrased interpretation.

Without those details, I'm not willing to rule out the idea that Charles/Kate made racist comments, but equally, I'm not willing to draw the conclusion that they did make them. We just don't know.

Now that the names are in the public domain, I think the only fair solution for everyone is to get the detail of what was said out in the open. Of course, that's if they can actually agree on what was actually said.

The royals will maintain silence as they always do. Scobies book is trash and he’s irrelevant. They will not publicly acknowledge it. If they were going to address it they’d have done so when harry and Megan made their accusations, albeit differing versions of it, with no names. They won’t give scobies book more publicity by commenting. Nor should they.

Harry has been very clear, he said they were not racist and the comment was at the beginning of the relationship. Megan feels differently and it was said when she was pregnant.

the Kate thing is weird, it’s a fluffy vague accusation with no weight behind it, like she was just in there as she wanted to throw her under the bus. I’m absolutely sure if Megan had something concrete on Kate it would have been said loudly and clearly

Roussette · 30/11/2023 08:50

@thisplaceiscraziness That is a fantastic post. Thank you very much.

Maybe some posters on here could read it carefully, and try and imagine....

chickenwings2 · 30/11/2023 08:51

flowerchild2000 · 29/11/2023 22:12

Helloooo they are all racist. Everyone knows that!

This for sure

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 08:52

Roussette · 30/11/2023 08:46

Exactly. I hope it will be the same for my DD if and when she has her babies who will be mixed race. Not in a million years would I dream of talking on those lines. It's just irrelevant.

I never talked about this sort of thing either. I was just grateful to be pregnant.

I agree with both these.

I have never in my entire life ever heard a discussion speculating what colour a baby would be. It seems like the most extraordinary ignorance. Apart from the fact it doesn’t make any difference, it’s impossible to know so why would anyone even speculate? It’s only a discussion you would have if the colour mattered.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 30/11/2023 08:52

We can’t comment on who said it or what was said
we don’t know so there’s no point talking about speculation on children’s appearance

what Meghan did do is agree with Oprah that there were concerns on how dark the baby would be - this is racist - if that conversation did not occur it’s libel

I think we are at the stage it unfortunately needs clearing up now

C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2023 08:52

Only two?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 30/11/2023 08:52

Roussette · 30/11/2023 08:46

Exactly. I hope it will be the same for my DD if and when she has her babies who will be mixed race. Not in a million years would I dream of talking on those lines. It's just irrelevant.

I never talked about this sort of thing either. I was just grateful to be pregnant.

My now adult dd is also mixed race and as far as I'm aware, there have never been any conversations in our family about her skin colour, either before or after her birth, other than the conversations that she herself has initiated over the years. However, had there been conversations initiated by family members on either side of the family, I wouldn't automatically assume that they were coming from a racist perspective - it would depend very much on the tone, content and context of those conversations.

Roussette · 30/11/2023 08:53

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 08:52

I agree with both these.

I have never in my entire life ever heard a discussion speculating what colour a baby would be. It seems like the most extraordinary ignorance. Apart from the fact it doesn’t make any difference, it’s impossible to know so why would anyone even speculate? It’s only a discussion you would have if the colour mattered.

It’s only a discussion you would have if the colour mattered.

⬆ This.

Thank you

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:53

kiki50 · 30/11/2023 08:43

criticism of Meghan can originate from something other than racism you know.
I can't stand Prince Andrew, but nobody would say that's motivated by racism.

This.

I couldn't care less about anyone's colour (or sex, or race, irreligion, or sexuality for the matter) - it's behaviour that counts. (I can't stand PA either)

Personally, I think Charles would have been delighted to have a DiL who was from a different ethnic background, because he would feel that it made the monarchy more relatable to the population. He's not an idiot - he knows that many consider the institution to be outdated and expensive - he knows the importance of being seen to be inclusive of other faiths and backgrounds, which is why he styled himself "Defender of Faith" rather than "Defender of the Faith".

I don't believe he's racist. They have all met and enjoyed the company of people from many nations. They probably like or dislike particular individuals (though would have better manners than to say so), but blanket racism? I don't believe it.

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 08:53

Can you imagine if MM posted to Mumsnet about her in laws....🤣

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:53

thisplaceiscraziness · 30/11/2023 08:47

i’ve decided to write something - neoclassical i think your all awful about M and H , none of us know what the hell went on - watching the crown and the trekking of the colour every year doesn’t make us experts on them or their family- any of them.
But whilst we are making sweeping assumptions about people’s lives, thoughts and behaviours based on books and soundbites and our own *stuff..

I got bored and wrote a little assumption of my own below - interestingly i chose a slightly kinder narrative- surprisingly easy to make a story based on your preferences, i made the choice to consider a different view :

Imagine being pregnant with your first child.
You’ve been welcomed into a family, but they have various customs and traditions. You are well aware that they are all successful, strong people, very well known. You have been managing quite a lot into the run up to the pregnancy, trying to fit into the family and the new job they gave you.

You are more of a yoga , free girl- but you love him so you crack on. You try to get them to think about some of your customs and traditions , but there is not really room for that.

You try to get on with everyone but your american and brown and an actress, a speaker,
your life up until. you have spoken out about issues, you speak for the UN… you are and always have been an advocate for others.
So this traditional family are wary of you, they are pretty dysfunctional( your own family has some dysfunctional stuff which makes you panic about how it all works daily !)
But being so successful, your in laws are not really are not really aware of the dynamics and how it impacts others, they are just the way they are.
Your sister in law, has welcomed you, she seems so powerful and together and she has this way of making you feel lesser, maybe it’s her, maybe it’s you - all you know is that it’s difficult for you. Especially as your husband has always been so relaxed with her, you really feel weird about how difficult it is.That one time you even tried to go for laid back, bare foot approach - this made her really weirded out..and it made you wonder if you could ever be yourself, so you started to shut down a bit..
many women end up with weird in law dynamics and you thought most would understand…mumsnet is full of women trying to figure out family dynamics so you felt like you'll be supported…

You have always known being mixed race leaves you in a bit of a no man’s land, that strange need to fit in, but not sure how sometimes.
People comment on you being light skinned, but they don’t comment on the slight differences you’ve noticed about your treatment,ever since you can remember, you never confront this with others or in yourself because , well, you want to be successful and known in your own right.But all those little comments burn a bit. make you question yourself.Its upsetting and demoralising but your mum raised you to be strong and proud.

During the pregnancy the baby’s future is discussed a lot, you are aware that your unborn child will have traditions and customs to follow from birth You know this and remain hopeful that your customs too will get a look in, but with hormones raging and that tiredness only pregnancy can bring, well, your resilience is low.

Then the discussion starts, about your first child, unborn child, at first you are polite , everyone talks about all things baby in the family and you accept this , even when you grow tired of it, but you are an American girl on your own with this pretty amazing family so you manage.

Then one day someone asks you outright how dark your child will be, and because of who they are - because of who you are, quite naturally your mind jumps to défense. You feel your skin crawl and that feeling of never fitting in rears up, but this time for your unborn child. Your mind wanders to the day the baby is born and the expectation that you will wheel him out to the world for all to see ( and judge ) it’s such a weird tradition - no one argues against it .. your mind goes back to how dark your baby will be chat

You do not feel like it’s the standard what will baby look like chat , this feels like something else, its that something else only people who are black/brown know how to describe, its a strange feeling. Ironic that admitting you feel it is often a betrayal to your own defences, your own determination that you can make it in the world, that the way your perceived through the difference of your skin won’t be a barrier.

That of course until it is.

You decide to tell the world, you learn a lot about yourself through the opening in your soul that those demanding accountability for racism are causing, for the first time in your lifetime, there is this movement again, it feels safer to speak m, it feels right even you feel its noisy enough for once to speak up

You speak to the world, but the media is filtered through a lense of whiteness , which is powerful and sweeping in its judgement. you think that perhaps the people will see, but they don’t and every time the world breathes your name, they don’t see you.. they see your family dynamics, they see your skin, they see your life choices and they twist it all up.
you have no power, only that which you create.

As much as I enjoy your story telling skills, it is factually incorrect. No one asked Megan about the colour of her child’s skin. She isn’t claiming that. It was asked to harry and they disagree on when it occurred. In addition she has publicly said on numeours occasions she never ever was treated differently, she claimed to be Caucasian, and has a white father and a mixed race mother. It simply was never an issue, but she did witness her mother being racially abused with shocked her.

TheFairyCaravan · 30/11/2023 08:53

TrailingFig · 30/11/2023 08:49

Just because it’s discussed doesn’t mean it makes a difference and I can’t imagine being in a family who only have necessary conversations.

I can’t imagine being in a racist family, but I suppose we're all different.

sergeantsalt · 30/11/2023 08:54

albapunk · 29/11/2023 22:13

I wish we had context for the actual discussion that happened.

My cousin has mixed race children. It was a running thing in the family (on all sides) as to what the children would look like when they were born and who's skin tone and features they would inherit. They were first grandkids for the dads family, who are not Caucasian. There was absolutely nothing racist about these chats or comments.

Totally agree with this...wondering about what a baby will look like is not racist, and making little jokes like ah he'll have Mum's X and Dad's Y or whatever it is. That is absolutely normal and I am in a mixed race relationship where neither of us are Caucasian.

Sayitaintso33 · 30/11/2023 08:55

kiki50 · 30/11/2023 08:45

and they won't be deemed racist based on third hand tattle from that well known truth tellerHmm Meghan.

There are a lot of understandably patriotic royalists defending His Majesty and and the Princess of Wales, but we must also make it equally clear that we will not stand for racists in the Royal Family.

If all we do is to declare 'they are not racist, they are not racist' without even knowing the facts, we will make our country and the Royal Family appear a racist mockery.

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 08:55

"I don't believe he's racist. They have all met and enjoyed the company of people from many nations."

Yes. I understand they particularly enjoy the native dancing.....

ScremeEggs · 30/11/2023 08:56

I have read on here Harry had a thing for Pippa Middleton for quite a while

Must be true then 😂

Lampzade · 30/11/2023 08:57

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 08:46

There is no MM thread on MN that does not bring out the racism & misogyny ime.

Oh God yes
Racism and misogyny is alive and kicking in this thread.
Some posters exhibit the same racism that the two royals have been accused of.

I think it is because people really wanted to see this couple fail. However, they seem to be riding the storm and doing well, to the chagrin of many

C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2023 08:58

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:53

This.

I couldn't care less about anyone's colour (or sex, or race, irreligion, or sexuality for the matter) - it's behaviour that counts. (I can't stand PA either)

Personally, I think Charles would have been delighted to have a DiL who was from a different ethnic background, because he would feel that it made the monarchy more relatable to the population. He's not an idiot - he knows that many consider the institution to be outdated and expensive - he knows the importance of being seen to be inclusive of other faiths and backgrounds, which is why he styled himself "Defender of Faith" rather than "Defender of the Faith".

I don't believe he's racist. They have all met and enjoyed the company of people from many nations. They probably like or dislike particular individuals (though would have better manners than to say so), but blanket racism? I don't believe it.

Its literally his job to nod, smile and shake hands with people. I regularly meet with, smile and have conversation with people via work whether I like them or not. You would be a fool to think you know my thoughts on any of them based on watching me at work.

I find the comparison with the way the royals covered up for Andrew, paid off his victims, continue to let him exploit his royal connections for money vs the ultimatum to the Sussexes that they had to be fully in or out entirely (when other royals have been very much "part time") was telling.

But I've never had much time for the entitled Doolittles, despite the endless, endless Hello magazine style PR pieces (the latest of which tells us how saint Kate saved the royals 🙄)

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:58

Sayitaintso33 · 30/11/2023 08:55

There are a lot of understandably patriotic royalists defending His Majesty and and the Princess of Wales, but we must also make it equally clear that we will not stand for racists in the Royal Family.

If all we do is to declare 'they are not racist, they are not racist' without even knowing the facts, we will make our country and the Royal Family appear a racist mockery.

One hundred percent , but to even consider it there needs to be some form of accusation that both harry and Megan agree on. There is no such thing. They can’t even agree on when the statement was made. Never mind if it was racist or not. You can’t go investigating and accusing people. Anyone. Of racism with no basis for it.

Roussette · 30/11/2023 08:59

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 08:55

"I don't believe he's racist. They have all met and enjoyed the company of people from many nations."

Yes. I understand they particularly enjoy the native dancing.....

That made me laugh ! And love touring round stood up and waving to the locals in a Land Rover. What a wheeze!

Panama2 · 30/11/2023 08:59

OS is puzzled that H&M did not expand on what was allegedly said about their baby’s skin tone. Harry has said they never called anyone in the Royal family racist. Obviously context is everything here and we do not have that. I also find it very hard to believe that anyone in the royal family would say anything to H&M

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