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drowninginjelly · 2023-11-29T22:03:07+00:00

So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 30/11/2023 08:15

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:02

i suspect if anything is said, it will be something scobie approves, as they won’t want him retaliating and telling the truth about their collaboration

I suspect that your suspicions are right. Because I suspect that OS knows a lot more about them than he revealed in his book, and much of it would be, to say the least, damaging. It wouldn't surprise me if "collaboration"is the least of their worries.

When push comes to shove, there isn't a person alive who hasn't done or said something in the past that they would rather wasn't made public. We've all been stupid, or thoughtless, or even downright nasty at one time or another, or said something in an intimate moment that would sound silly and cause ridicule if it was bandied about - and the RF is no different to anyone else in that respect. When these comments are taken out of context, they can be made to sound even more terrible/ embarrassing.

The RF have done/said things that can be interpreted unfavourably - and so have Harry and Meghan. But it seems to me that only one side in this debacle is deliberately trying to goad the other, and it comes across as very nasty.

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Imo

bullying pure and simple from the Sussex camp.
Ever since they left
drip drip drip

Stand up and say what was actually said and stop with the insinuations.

Edit if anything was actually said as Meghan said conversations plural and Harry conversation singular

CharityShopChic · 30/11/2023 08:15

I also think a lot of this fiasco is down to Harry. It seems that Meghan was not aware of the hierarchy in the RF and that despite her acting training, polish and glamour, that she would always be second fiddle to Kate. I think she (Meghan) had this idea that she was going to sweep in and transform the RF, and when it didn't happen she felt constrained by her role and blamed Kate/William.

I also get the culture clash between California and England. You cannot throw two women from very different backgrounds together and assume they will be best buddies. Kate and Meghan clearly don't get on but that doesn't mean there is anything "wrong" with either of them, it's just a personality clash.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:15

LadyWithLapdog · 30/11/2023 07:56

@Emotionalsupportviper I don’t know what friends and family call Kate because, yeah, I’m not in her circle. But do you really not see the sycophantic way of calling her Princess Catherine rather than KM, which lets admit it, she could easily be called without causing any confusion whatsoever, and at the same time calling Meghan just Meghan or MM?

I don’t really care about this made-up feud, and I’m surprised that women my age or younger just get carried along and perpetuate the whole RF sips opera.

I don't call her KM because she isn't "KM" - I suppose I could call her CW for Catherine Wales/ Windsor, but that wouldn't be as clear.

Meghan is however, very clear as just Meghan or MM.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 30/11/2023 08:16

There were newspaper reports some time back that Kate was particularly keen on the 'recollections vary' line in the statement put out by the Palace. If true, this would fit in with the current revelations.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 30/11/2023 08:16

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 06:24

There is an awful lot of "my best friend is black- I understand racism!" on here.

Well whats wrong with that? (Better than "I am a racist"..........)

kiki50 · 30/11/2023 08:17

for those who say that Meghan and Harry haven't claimed racism, they took a prize, quote:

"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex were presented with their award by Kerry Kennedy, the daughter of Robert F. Kennedy, who thanked the busy couple for showing up and explained that they were receiving this recognition because they spoke out against racism within the royal family"

OhNoOhNo · 30/11/2023 08:18

snowbird21 · 30/11/2023 08:12

This is all very sad for two brother who appeared to get on very well and had a close relationship. None of us know what really was said and the context - what I feel is that if you write a book criticising your family, are interviewed and then go on to star in your own documentary criticsing your family their response will be one of caution when dealing with you in the future.

In reality it’s Harry and Meghan treating the Windsors with caution because the Windsors have shown themselves to be racist about their own grandchild and nephew by being concerned about the colour of his skin as a prince.

Theunamedcat · 30/11/2023 08:19

Namenumber3 · 30/11/2023 07:50

Why would anyone in the Royal family be “concerned” about skin tone really though.
Firstly because their kids will be pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things and secondly because it was pretty obvious their kids wouldn’t have anything different to most of the western world.

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Racism, if they had stayed the likelihood is they would need at least the same protection as George etc they are at bigger risk because there is an extra layer George is at risk because he is heir to the throne son of the next in line and grandaddy is the king of England archie has grandad as a king daddy as an heir etc and he is mixed race so anti monarch people will target him AND racists will too so I would expect a discussion from that point of view quite early on

The kids are probably safer in America

RiderofRohan · 30/11/2023 08:19

Lookingatthesunset · 30/11/2023 03:22

That doesn't mean they're right!!

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No but they are the future and soon their opinions will be the only ones that are relevant

OhNoOhNo · 30/11/2023 08:20

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:15

I don't call her KM because she isn't "KM" - I suppose I could call her CW for Catherine Wales/ Windsor, but that wouldn't be as clear.

Meghan is however, very clear as just Meghan or MM.

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And you don’t think ‘Kate’ is very clear as just ‘Kate’? How many other Kates do you know in the Royal family?

And why do you assume Meghan’s surname would still be Markle? Her husband and children’s surname is Mountbatten-Windsor, she would likely use that.

Merrymouse · 30/11/2023 08:20

Haven’t read whole thread, but why make the claim if they aren’t prepared to say who they are referring to? It’s less shocking than many stories that have been published, and if the Sussexes are witnesses and stand by the claim it’s unlikely that there would be a court case.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 30/11/2023 08:20

LolaSmiles · 29/11/2023 22:17

Not sure how big a deal that is. Context is everything. If it was the only comment that's very different to saying ' I wonder if he'll have red hair like H or dark hair like M? I wonder if he'll be pasty like H or darker skinned like M?' Or were the exact words published?
I agree with this.Context is key.

It's fairly common in most couples and families to discuss what potential children will look like.

What would be very helpful is if instead of snippets here and there it was clear who said what and what the context was, instead of vague drips that allow people to create their own stories.

Absolutely. This surely in this context isn't racist?

NonPlayerCharacter · 30/11/2023 08:20

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 30/11/2023 08:16

Well whats wrong with that? (Better than "I am a racist"..........)

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Because a) they're usually lying b) it's a classic thing said by absolute racists to validate themselves, and c) they're saying it to speak for a minority of which they are not part.

It's like an MRA on here telling us he's not being sexist because some of his best friends are women.

Theunamedcat · 30/11/2023 08:21

Did the letter say about the Princess of wales or mention Catherine by name because at the time they were two seperate people

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:22

I think also folks have to remember the narrative changed. On the Oprah interview Meghan said it happened when she was pregnant. Harry then joins and said it happened right at the start of the relationship and directly contradicts her. The book then gives Megan’s version.

It was said to harry, not Megan, she confirmed this, so it would indicate Harry’s version is the truth, it was said at the beginning of the relationship. and as he states not with racist intent. It was Megan who said it was a safe assumption that archies skin tone may be a problem.

so the two of them disagreed, they gave different versions, but only one of them was there, harry, and his version was it was said light heartedly with no racist intent at the start of their relationship.

which also tells me, it is Megan who was briefing scobie, not harry. As it is her version that made the book.

themessygarden · 30/11/2023 08:22

She thought she had to do too much, and that she should be recompensed for effectively getting out of bed to greet people.

They were getting paid though, Harry was being paid £5million a year by Charles, they had a beautiful free home to go with the job, likely no outgoings as all their living expenses would have been covered. I guess she had assumed she would have access to the Royal Family billions, which the RF don't seem to like to part with.

Harry is known for being famously tight (also confirmed by Cressida) and he even publicly stated that Meghan had to pay for a new sofa and that he didn't want to use his own private wealth of tens of millions to support his own family when they decided to move abroad and felt aggrieved that his father didn't want to either.

Harry is like a lot of the Royals (none more so than the York family). Harry, and now Meghan, accept and soliciting very valuable 'gifts' from strangers for no other reason than their Royal family links. All much preferable than spending his own money and not unlike her very own toxic family, making money from publicly hurling his family under the bus.

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:23

Theunamedcat · 30/11/2023 08:21

Did the letter say about the Princess of wales or mention Catherine by name because at the time they were two seperate people

Clearly by name, they would not be discussing a racist comment that Diana made about Archie, on account of her being dead.

Livingtothefull · 30/11/2023 08:24

MattDillonsEyebrows · 30/11/2023 08:12

I think Charles probably said something along the lines of ‘I wonder how dark the baby’s skin will be? If it’s darker than white, we might need to manage this as there are racist people and press in the country who might not take kindly to a person of colour being 6th in line to the throne’

So expressing concern about skin colour, possibly in a clumsy way but coming from a sense of paternal kindness and protection for the baby.

Meghan, being a drama Queen, not previously getting what she wanted and in a heightened state of sensitivity is likely to have twisted these words and made it something much worse than its intention.

Harry being besotted with Meghan, would have walked on knives for her at the time, so he probably just took her offence and ran with it.

Yes of course. Harry & Charles were just the victims of 'drama Queen' Meghan twisting words. It's always the woman's (more especially the black woman's) fault.

The racism & misogyny on this thread jumps out at me, I don't know about anyone else. The malice on display here is just scary.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:26

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:23

Clearly by name, they would not be discussing a racist comment that Diana made about Archie, on account of her being dead.

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Camilla was married to the then PoW. Would that not have made her the Princess of Wales?

(I have no idea how these titles work.)

CurlewKate · 30/11/2023 08:27

@NonPlayerCharacter "Because a) they're usually lying b) it's a classic thing said by absolute racists to validate themselves, and c) they're saying it to speak for a minority of which they are not part.

It's like an MRA on here telling us he's not being sexist because some of his best friends are women"

Yes, this. The number of black Mumsnetters who have collections of gollywogs is truly astonishing.

Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 08:28

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/11/2023 08:26

Camilla was married to the then PoW. Would that not have made her the Princess of Wales?

(I have no idea how these titles work.)

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technically yes on marriage, but she rejected it, and opted for the Duchess of Cornwall, she was not the princess of wales and didn’t use the title, for obvious reasons, the optics, so there is no way she’d have been referred to as such in a private letter.

BethDuttonsTwin · 30/11/2023 08:29

It's like an MRA on here telling us he's not being sexist because some of his best friends are women.

Well not really because MRA viciously hate and resent women and are often actively working hard to hurt and undermine them. Well meaning but occasionally clumsily expressed thoughts and ideas around race by MN posters is hardly the same thing.

I have seen women on here, married to MOC who have mixed race children be told they’re racist and can’t use their close family members as excuse for their supposed racism which completely baffles me and makes me just dismiss most allegations of racism unless overt and obvious.

LadyWithLapdog · 30/11/2023 08:30

@Livingtothefull I think there are a few of us who are gobsmacked by the misogyny and racism on display. I only joined the thread this morning and I’m not going back however many pages, but even the little I’ve read you think “wow, which century and society are you in?”

Sayitaintso33 · 30/11/2023 08:30

IWasFunBeforeMum · 29/11/2023 22:36

Why is a discussion about whose heritage the baby would look like racist? Or as Meghan decided to dress it "they asked how dark the baby's skin would be". Funny how even Oprah has distanced herself after that ridiculously staged open mouthed "what?" 🙄

Because for some it is easy to imagine a royal exclaiming : "Christ, I hope the child is light skinned" or "We'll be alright, he'll be fairly pale" or "Good for PR if he's fairly dark".

OhNoOhNo · 30/11/2023 08:31

Livingtothefull · 30/11/2023 08:24

Yes of course. Harry & Charles were just the victims of 'drama Queen' Meghan twisting words. It's always the woman's (more especially the black woman's) fault.

The racism & misogyny on this thread jumps out at me, I don't know about anyone else. The malice on display here is just scary.

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You’re not alone.

White people wonder why minorities don’t always want to ‘integrate’ with white people. This thread is why.