2 racist royals?

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So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

Indeed - one of them has actually had to apologise for racism more than once (Harry).

One of them went on TV to deny his wife's account of racism towards her (Harry).

One of them defended Lady Hussey (Harry).

I’m not sure if the royal family are racist. How would I know. Charles acted with dignity and warmth at the wedding, and Kate is reserved so not into displays of emotion. What I do know is that Megan and Harry hinted at racism, gave interviews, caused speculation, briefed Omid Scobie and used every opportunity to sling mud. It just seems to go on and on and on, even though they’ve had no contact with the royals for some time. Obviously they are bitter and angry about something despite having a privileged life lived on their own terms.

It will be interesting to see if they say anything. Issue a carefully worded statement, that Scobie can’t retaliate over, stay quiet, or throw scobie under the bus and declare it untrue and say the book is nonsense.

i suspect if anything is said, it will be something scobie approves, as they won’t want him retaliating and telling the truth about their collaboration.

If anything was said at all that is

Megan is a proven lying liar who tells lies

Why would anyone in the Royal family be “concerned” about skin tone really though.
Firstly because their kids will be pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things and secondly because it was pretty obvious their kids wouldn’t have anything different to most of the western world.

Has any pregnant women NOT had this sort of conversation with relatives?

It's one of the most common things to speculate other than if it's going to be a boy or girl. Will he/she look like Daddy? Wonder if he/she will have granny's wonky nose? Wonder if she/he will have red hair, curly hair, big feet, long fingers?

There is clearly no love lost between Harry/Meghan and Kate/William and that's a shame as for a while, Harry, William and Kate were a strong three doing charity work and shared events. There is no coming back from all this now, if I were Kate I couldn't even bear to be in the same room as that pair.

Americans are so bound up on identity politics they will take anything as a slight

She doesn't seem to be very popular in America either.

I do think it's interesting that, whenever there's a thread about racism there is a sudden influx of black Mumsnetters saying "Nope, nothing to see here!" 🤣

Why do you believe that?

@Emotionalsupportviper I don’t know what friends and family call Kate because, yeah, I’m not in her circle. But do you really not see the sycophantic way of calling her Princess Catherine rather than KM, which lets admit it, she could easily be called without causing any confusion whatsoever, and at the same time calling Meghan just Meghan or MM?

I don’t really care about this made-up feud, and I’m surprised that women my age or younger just get carried along and perpetuate the whole RF sips opera.

Harry has denied that they said they were racist. It was however phrased in such a way for people to draw their own conclusions. The press have continued to call whoever it was racists because it is attention grabbing.

As for it being Charles and Kate I find it very hard to believe that they would have said anything to H & M.

It obviously depends on context - it’s completely normal to speculate on what a baby will look like. I imagine they spoke about whether it would have dark hair or ginger hair, be pale and freckly like Harry or olive skinned like Megan. Would it have blue or brown eyes, be tall or short. In total normal conversations and the same that I had in my family when I was pregnant (I’m olive skinned and DH is pale).

He described their son and daughter, she agrees with his description, she didn’t simper.

Funny how white MNers post constantly about their kids’ ‘bright blue eyes’ and ‘blond curls’ and yet if Meghan merely agrees with Harry’s description of their kids she is ‘simpering’ and ‘annoying’.

Honestly, this thread is a lesson for minorities to choose their white friends very carefully because the virulent hatred on this thread is so racist.

i suspect if anything is said, it will be something scobie approves, as they won’t want him retaliating and telling the truth about their collaboration

I suspect that your suspicions are right. Because I suspect that OS knows a lot more about them than he revealed in his book, and much of it would be, to say the least, damaging. It wouldn't surprise me if "collaboration"is the least of their worries.

When push comes to shove, there isn't a person alive who hasn't done or said something in the past that they would rather wasn't made public. We've all been stupid, or thoughtless, or even downright nasty at one time or another, or said something in an intimate moment that would sound silly and cause ridicule if it was bandied about - and the RF is no different to anyone else in that respect. When these comments are taken out of context, they can be made to sound even more terrible/ embarrassing.

The RF have done/said things that can be interpreted unfavourably - and so have Harry and Meghan. But it seems to me that only one side in this debacle is deliberately trying to goad the other, and it comes across as very nasty.

Trust me if a woman of colour perceives something as racist it generally is. I find it hilarious (!) when a white person tries to tell me what is and isn't racist.

This is why it was so disappointing when Meghan's white husband denied her account of racism on tv and brushed it off as unconscious bias. Then again he does have form I suppose.

The thing is I do believe this was a genuine error, it was clearly an early version, that either due to legal advice, or harry and Megan thinking better of it, or likely both, they decide to redact.

when the book was written though, which would have been at least a year or two ago, they full intended to name and shame Charles and Kate , or it would never have been in there in the first place and the error could never have happened. It was originally in there and removed. Simply in the Dutch version the wrong version went to print.

and the way it’s written, on Kate it’s very vague, it reads like throwing her under the bus for the joy of it.

its clearly not going to impact the royals. And I guess harry and Megan get more notoriety, Omid sells more books, as people will give him their money to read it.

harry and Meghan were rumoured to be trying to get back in with the royals, wanting an invite to crimbo at sandringham, and I’m sure they are desperately trying to tell Charles it was an error, they’d redacted it, or it was not them, but I suspect it’s the final nail in the coffin for the relationship publicly, Charles will maintain a father son relationship but not permit them close to the family,

they need to get back in before Charles goes, because William and Kate won’t permit it, ever. So they need to try to fix it now, and have their feet firmly under the table before he passes.

Yep, words matter. See also people calling her that Markle woman upthread.

They cannot abide a black woman having the name of the white Royal Family.

Racists gonna racis.pt.

Me too. It's gobsmacking.

Just rewatch the OW interview. “Questions and concerns”, right from the horse’s mouth.

My friend has a mixed race child, she is blond and small and her partner was tall and black and she used to excitedly talk about ‘I wonder how her skin will look. Her hair, her eyes!’ Context is needed because Meghan herself listed herself as Caucasian on her professional cv and I had no idea she was mixed race until I saw her mother. If think everyone talks about this, will they get blue eyes or brown? What colour will their hair be?

@OhNoOhNo yep. The vitriol and racism on here, still happening

This is all very sad for two brother who appeared to get on very well and had a close relationship. None of us know what really was said and the context - what I feel is that if you write a book criticising your family, are interviewed and then go on to star in your own documentary criticsing your family their response will be one of caution when dealing with you in the future.

I think Charles probably said something along the lines of ‘I wonder how dark the baby’s skin will be? If it’s darker than white, we might need to manage this as there are racist people and press in the country who might not take kindly to a person of colour being 6th in line to the throne’

So expressing concern about skin colour, possibly in a clumsy way but coming from a sense of paternal kindness and protection for the baby.

Meghan, being a drama Queen, not previously getting what she wanted and in a heightened state of sensitivity is likely to have twisted these words and made it something much worse than its intention.

Harry being besotted with Meghan, would have walked on knives for her at the time, so he probably just took her offence and ran with it.

This. Some posters are on here calling Meghan a 'liar' and a 'narcissist' with no evidence whatsoever and never having met her. And presuming a 'gold-digger' despite the fact that she had a good career and was independently wealthy before she even met Harry.

None of us know all the rights and wrongs of this. We don't know whether or not the comments about H&M's children were racist or malicious in intent - all we know is that they said they were hurt by them. Unless we are supposed to presume that the Royals can do no wrong and H&M are liars, without any evidence. To me the irrational hatred displayed towards them both - and especially Meghan - is off the scale.