2 racist royals?

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So who are the 2 royals who commented on Archie's skin now that Piers Morgan has named them on live tv

Because pretty much every black family he knew talked about what kind of complexion an expected baby would be

But isn’t the point that the RF aren’t a black family & the baby was hypothetical at this stage & discussed separately?

Sadly, it seems Harry is also a jealous little troll.

The pair are well-matched, IMO.

I suspect that the "racists comments" weren't perceived as such by H&M at the time, but later weaponised to create the essential shock factor when the Oprah interview aired. They knew they needed something to get big headlines and... ta dah.
I'm surprised people on this thread can't understand why MM would be jealous of Kate. Seriously? In a room with Harry and William, if W had been single too, MM would've shoved H out of the way to get to W.

I’d be very surprised if a young woman like Catherine would be openly (or covertly) racist.

I'm surprised people on this thread can't understand why MM would be jealous of Kate. Seriously? In a room with Harry and William, if W had been single too, MM would've shoved H out of the way to get to W.

Because she’s desperate to be Queen? 🙄 I also don’t believe all the old press reports how Kate “plotted” to get near W. Sexist rubbish.

Nope, she's in no way desperate.
Nothing about MM's behaviour over the last few years has suggested desperation. Not at all. 🤣

I’d be very surprised if a young woman like Catherine would be openly (or covertly) racist.

@Albioncreed are young people less likely to be racist?

I haven't been following this but this book is presumably just being released before Christmas and whoops. Publicity stunt to push sales.

My cousin has mixed race children. It was a running thing in the family (on all sides) as to what the children would look like when they were born and whose skin tone and features they would inherit. They were first grandkids for the dad’s family, who are not Caucasian. There was absolutely nothing racist about these chats or comments.

This. And I am guessing it was likely the context at the time but later something that came to mind they could use as ammo for ‘their truth’.

We have friends, where one is pale Caucasian with red hair, and one is an African American. When expecting their first they had a running commentary wondering what their child would look like as a combination of the two, skin tone, hair texture, eye colour etc. People joined in, but it wasn’t racist. They did the same thing for their second wondering whether to expect the same as their first or whether it would be changed up, nothing good or bad, more a funny grab bag that genetics could be. Everyone was too awkward to join in and make any comment back with the second as it was after the Harry/Royals debacle and people were just too scared. It’s all madness. Complete difference when wondering what genetics will throw out as opposed to being racist.

What interests me is how did a letter between KC and MM end up in a book by OS?

It is highly likely the paragraphs were in the original draft then either MM or legal had them removed. The old draft was then sent for translation.

WRT what was actually said, none of us know and nor do OS or MM as neither were there.

Has there been proof there was a version with the letter in? I’ve seen the screenshots with Charles name but not the letter.

Wrong. Racism cannot be excused.

But the real wonder is that anyone is surprised to find that the whitest, most bloated and privileged family behaves exactly as would be expected.

Not sure I’m willing to take my facts from Omid Scobie though.

THIS is the crux.

Yes, it’s just such terribly hard work when people keep on sticking up for themselves and refusing to accept your slurring them as “racist” because they don’t subscribe to your punitive belief systems around race. It was so much better a couple of years ago when everyone STFU and withdrew in shame immediately from any discussion the moment they were labelled racist because they were scared they had been, unwittingly, even when they knew deep down they were not.

Do I think Charles and Catherine are racist? No

Who knows, I would expect them to be a bit clumsy though, they are in complete bubbles of privilege. Yes C grew up “normal” but look at her classmates, peers etc. Not exactly a hotbed of diversity!

given that at the time of these conversations the Queen was still alive, it occurs to me that in referring to ‘The Princess of Wales’, OS meant Camilla. The book was written over such an extended period of time, and it seems that an older draft made its way to the Dutch publishers - could this be the case?

And if anyone could link to the Brothers and Wives extract on Twitter, I’d be very grateful

I personally do t have a lot of time for any RF, however H&M have been throwing missiles at the RF for years now, they're money and status orientated, but have been received badly by the world, rightly so IMO, but others will disagree.
However, I personally feel much/all of the information provided by H&M is directed at them being victims. Perhaps this was racist... who knows... but personally I feel the Sussexes have skewed so much to help them be victims/use to make money that I can't even get bothered by this. I think H&M are calculating and nasty

I thought the one drop rule was only ever in the US.

I did, too.

I'd never even heard of it here in the UK. In fact I hadn't heard of it at all until fairly recently - and that was in a documentary on Youtube about the difficulties black people faced in the US after the civil war.

TBH the story of the "Royal Racism" has taken so many twists and turns - with Harry and Meghan saying one thing one minute, then denying it the next, then the one racist suddenly becoming two racists, and everything taken out of context, and no idea whether it was a deathly serious conversation, or a bit of excited speculation - and Harry and Meghan have a tendency to over-dramatise things (death-speed car chase for 2 hours in the centre of New York, anyone?) - how can we ever possibly know what is truth, if I may borrow Pilate's question?

And as someone pointed out earlier, how much can Scobie be trusted to be accurate and unbiased? He is certainly no Tom Bower.

I don’t believe the letter(s?) are quoted in the book rather OS summarised them. To do that he must have either seen them or been told the contents. Either way that can only have originated from sender or recipient.

As pp have said there is a paragraph or two not in the UK version that are in the translated version. There is no way a translator would add in a paragraph.

One drop ruler exists in the UK. The fact that Meghan has more white heritage % wise than black but she is considered black on Mn, UK, and America is the one blood drop rule. It refers to any drop of blackness that will genetically exclude you from being white, pure white.

I cannot find any sources which confirm the “one drop rule” as existing in the UK, certainly not presently. This was a US idea, even codified into law in some places, but never here. Don’t we have enough problems in the UK and questionable history of our own without importing other nation’s nasty policies too?

I think the RF is a soap opera, and of doubtful value, but it is an institution (pre Megan) occupied exclusively by white people. Of course folks are going to ask, I wonder what the baby will look like? Harry is a balding white-skinned red head and Megan is a mixed race brunette who looks very Mediterranean and is quite a beauty. What I don’t understand is the determination of the parents to insist on royal titles for their children, when they market themselves as people who are opposed to inherited privilege and have decided to live in a republic, and raise their children many thousands of miles from the UK. Harry is no intellectual but he knows that Royal titles open doors which would otherwise by shut, and Megan knows her worth as a ‘campaigner and philanthropist’ is enhanced by exploiting her Royal connections. If Harry and Megan weren’t ‘royals’ who would bother with them? I know the same could be said of all the royal family, but the difference is that the present members don’t pretend to be ‘victims’ of the system, they know they are hugely privileged and that the corruption of patronage is alive and well.

Surely it depends how the individual identifies?

MM has made a big deal about being black.

Tbf when I first watched suits I thought she was Hispanic as she's very pale

I think he's quite short-tempered* - I think it probably comes with the territory when people leap to fulfil your every command - but being quick-tempered doesn't make someone racist. There are a lot of bad-tempered people in the world. They aren't all racists, any more than all of the placid ones are a non-racist. And @LuluBlakey1 has pointed out - his mother had just died and he was under tremendous pressure so it wasn't surprising he was snippy about the pen - doesn't make him a racist.

*I don't know why I think this - I just do. I've always thought it about him without any evidence whatsoever and I may be being completely unfair on him.

but the difference is that the present members don’t pretend to be ‘victims’ of the system, they know they are hugely privileged

Not sure I would peg Andrew as someone aware of their privilege & I reckon he feels very hard done by!