Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2

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I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to @BoxedandRibboned for the original thread.

Original thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4935714-omid-scobies-new-book?page=40&reply=131041571

That's odd, Camilla, although rightfully Princess of Wales only ever used the subsidiary title, Duchess of Cornwall. I don't think it's a reference to her. Although the whole thing is such a mess, who knows.

Anyone remember Emma Weymouth’s charming mother in law saying the future children would muddy 400 years of bloodline?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/lord-baths-vicious-family-feud-21820156?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Your point is?

Oh yes, I quite agree that it’s not right to name names without proof, and I won’t do so either. I was more thinking of not worrying about the legal situation 🤷‍♀️

The thing is all these letters prove ( and only MM can have leaked them) is that she wrote the letters , they don’t prove that the conversations took place , after all she herself doesn’t claim that she was actually there when the ‘conversations’ took place , they were reported to her by Harry, who can’t even remember if it was before or after they were married.
It’s a well rehearsed policy, what she did was create a paper trail around something which in reality never happened , or happened differently from how she has described it . But by putting it down on paper she has pushed the recipient into a position where they have to discuss the incident as if it really happened . She was laying a trap, it’s a bread crumb trail.

Excellent points, @cyclamenqueen .

If, as the letters apparently suggest, party 2 has refused to discuss the issue with M then that was probably a very wise choice as it limits the paper trail relating to them. It becomes just a one sided accusation, whereas person 1 possibly gives the complaints more validity by entering in to discussion - although frankly it sounds like those responses may have been trying to apease rather than admitting guilt.

If that letter exchange was post Oprah, then Charles is too much of a softy and/or an utter fool. They saw what happened with her letter to Thomas Markle. He should have had his lawyers send a recollections may vary/no comment response, and left it at that. Absolutely beyond foolish to try to engage with two people whose agenda was patently clear, when doing so was absolutely unnecessary.

The silence from H and M is deafening, isn’t it. If they don’t completely disassociate themselves from this book it is an implicit approval. There’s no doubt where Scobie got his info from in any case. Surely the RF will be completely done with them now for ever. All boats burned

It occurred to me also that if H and M divorce , M will probably go in no holds barred and just dish every piece of dirt she can true or not.

I can 100% imagine them spinning the narrative in their own minds that they've done nothing wrong and it's Omid who has caused the furore, not them. Because all the sycophants around them will be telling them so. Even if PH experiences a tiny pang of guilt about what's being heaped on those who've been named, he'll probably justify it as 'a teachable moment'. 🙄

I wonder if he is just weak and can’t bring himself to believe the worst of them. If it’s true Anne was the one to insist Frogmore be removed, he seems weak there too. His natural inclination is to bury his head in the sand and hope it will all go away. Same attitude to Andrew. I have a feeling William is a very different kettle of fish.

I think it's a parental thing. My DSis behaves awfully towards my parents and has done for years, to the point we have no relationship. But even though she's mistreated them time and time again, my parents still won't cut her off completely, because they know if they did, that would be it forever. I suspect PC feels similar - he can't let go.

He doesn't need to cut them off. He just needs to use his brain. Don't answer serious allegations against other members of the RF in chit chat letters. Leave that to the lawyers, and stick to the topics of the weather in California and how the little ones are getting on.

I wonder if the other named person knew Charles was exchanging letters with MM? I bet she's fucking furious if KC answered on her behalf without asking her first.

If it was still relatively early then I could see it being an attempt to calm things down - acknowledge their complaints, make them feel heard etc. And that's not necessarily wrong, you'd find plenty of advice to that effect for solving family problems. But most of those don't have the threat of publishing hanging over their heads!

Any other family I would agree with you. But I think "early days" was over way before Oprah.

Having had a scroll through Twitter, I feel most people are supportive of the RF. However Twitter is an echo chamber and you do tend to see views similar to your own.

Rick Evers brings this up on his X feed. The sentence mentions the King and Princess of Wales rather than the King and Queen or Prince and Princess of Wales which would make sense if it was Charles and Camilla. Tom Bower said it was Camilla in his book.

Pretty sure there was a statement issued a few days ago claiming H & M had nothing to do with the book. OS then clarified he had spoken to many people 'very close' to the pair.
This was pre- this whole mess though.

I have to say I don't get the point of these books. Unless the letters are specifically quoted, and sources are named, how are we expected to believe anything?
It's effectively gossip.

That was what I meant - I can see what he might have been trying to do and why, and in a normal family it might have worked. But this pair had already done both Oprah and finding freedom, so he should have realised that it was way beyond "listen to how your children feel" type parenting.

DaggerIsle There's been no statement whatsoever. Nothing official and nothing 'a friend says' either. (The latter presumably because 'a friend says' is usually Scobie himself.

I think a good tactic going forward with Meghan ( and should have been adopted in 2021) is to return her mail unopened and unanswered ( and a record of you doing so). She clearly uses letters as weapon.
i bet she writes them to Harry too.
She definitely is an extraordinary character . I bet the royal family just can’t believe the situation they have found themselves in.

but it is a good “ teachable “ moment for William and Kate when it comes to their children and future partners. Be on your guard from day one! ( which is depressing when you think about it)

I wonder if Scobie has mentioned Meghan's own family and the overt racists they are. Apparently, her own half brother has a racist youtube channel (I only know that from mention of it by posters on here BTW), the things I have read her half siblings said about her mother are more than disgusting. It's the worst kind of racism (again, only read it about it on MN). I don't think Meghan or Harry have once spoken to that level racism from her family.

I think that’s why William was urging caution. He’s no fool.

No statement from M & H - says it all.

There is no coming back from this and any hope of a reconciliation is now over.

They haven’t said anything since the book was released, but there were several reports around 15/16 th November saying that Sussex insiders claim they had nothing to do with Scobie’s book. Not entirely sure it’s believable now though 😆