Jimmy Saville potential godfather to harry

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According to the daily mail, Charles put Jimmy Saville on a long list of names of potential godfathers for Harry.

It was well know at the BBC and by many others.

John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) was pretty much cancelled by the Beeb for referring to what he'd heard in 1978.

I don't suppose that interview will make it into the 'dramatization' either.

John Lydon says he was 'banned from BBC' over Jimmy Savile comments | John Lydon | The Guardian

John Lydon has ranted and raved about it like a hero over the years. Jerry Sadowitz also spoke about it extensively. It was well known. You're right, @CathyorClaire they'll gloss over that bit.

This is exactly why Harry is evil! I knew it

i was a child in those days and to be honest he did seem a bit pervy ... but so did nearly every other famous guy

I remember being very wary of older men from about the age of 11, so many were pervy and grim. I recall being taken to a vintage car show with my parents in the mid 80's, I was 11 or 12, and three different men kept walking past and groping me as we toured the exhibits. It was the first of many, many such experiences and I never told anyone until much later.

I was an adult when Savile was at the height of his fame. I was talking about this with my best friend last night. We just found him a bit revolting and weird and we never knew why he was so famous. He wasn't attractive, he wasn't funny, he was the sort we would avoid. I suppose the most we could say was we did not find it the slightest bit surprising when rumours started.
At the same time, it was the likes of Tony Blackburn, David Jacobs and Pete Murray... they just seemed normal to us compared to Savile who just wasn't.

I'm sure it would have been in Harry's book if true.😶

One of the more interesting facts about Savile is how many files went missing whenever the police investigated him:

www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/13/jimmy-savile-man-who-knew-him-best-dan-davies-in-plain-sight

Are we going to gloss over the fact that Charles chose a rapist as godfather to William. And chose the same rapist as his 'spiritual advisor'?

Or that he wrote letters in support of Peter Ball, the paedophile?

One of the more interesting facts about Savile is how many files went missing whenever the police investigated him:

Savile clearly had a very far-reaching influential power, far beyond that of a rubbish DJ and creepy charity fundraiser. I just wonder how many very high up people he could have taken down with him if they hadn't protected him all his life.

It was ridiculous how 'suddenly' outraged a lot of prominent people and institutions became and willing to see his reputation destroyed (and very rightly so) soon after his death, once he could no longer expose anybody else - as if there were no clues, no knowledge, no avenues worth pursuing, like it wasn't already common knowledge. Much easier to cancel and demonise John Lydon instead.

i agree @FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper

One of the more interesting facts about Savile is how many files went missing whenever the police investigated him

Also interesting is that Savile went out of his way to cultivate police officers with his 'Friday morning breakfast club' which ran for some 20 years:

Jimmy Savile's 'Friday Morning Club' where Leeds police met paedophile for tea for 20 years - Leeds Live (leeds-live.co.uk)

We just found him a bit revolting and weird and we never knew why he was so famous. He wasn't attractive, he wasn't funny, he was the sort we would avoid.

Teen to adult when he was on TOTP and Jim'll Fix It and I entirely concur.

I never got a pervy vibe off him but to me he was entirely unwatchable. Confected zany and wacky never were my thing.

I know it's an old chestnut that somebody with no discernible talent or charm must have something big on their bosses/important people to have their position, but it just seems so apt for Savile.

What did he actually excel in? He had no charisma, no on-screen rapport with children/other guests, was a very pedestrian DJ, I suppose he was probably a good marathon runner and prolific cigar-smoker, but how did he achieve such stardom?

Just to take the example of Jim'll Fix It, the format was developed - with it being extremely obvious that a lot of children would pass through the studio - and of all the talented, non-creepy presenters they could have chosen, somebody looked at him and genuinely believed him to be the best person for the job.

Just off the top of my head, how much better would somebody like, say, Keith Chegwin, Johnny Ball, Sarah Kennedy or Tom O'Connor have been at the job? In fact, they could have chosen pretty much ANY celebrity of the time and they would have done a much, much better job than he did; but no, they actively chose to give it to the creepy, bored-sounding man whom everybody knew should never be allowed near children.

Savile was extremely intelligent - a Mensa member. He channelled that intelligence into the manipulation of those surrounding him.

He also didn’t stand out during the 70s and 80s as much as he does now - there were a lot of old white male DJs from pirate and commercial radio who transitioned into mainstream celebrities and all the TV entertainment and comedy duos were much older and of a type than you get today.

And he was slightly creepy but then a lot of older men in the 70s were comfortable being lavicious and a bit creepy back then - he reminded me of the ‘uncles’ and family friends that my mother would quietly steer me away from at parties.

She spotted Savile for a predator - I really liked the show and wrote in once with something I wanted to do - she told me years later she binned the letter as she didn’t want the smallest chance I would get chosen!

She told me after everything came out because she knew I’d been really disappointed that I’d never had a reply - that and also the ‘gallery’ section from the art show - Take Hart?

The Reckoning on BBC 1 now is yet another look at this man and how he worked things.

That is true.

But the king has/had at least one Greek Orthodox god parent and so did Princess Anne.

I have a strong memory of my friend and I, in her bedroom, writing a letter to Jim will fix it, to arrange a backstage visit to some west end show. We had the letter written and then my friend said she didn't think we should post it, just in case we won and we had to meet Jimmy Saville as 'he is a weirdo'. We were young and even then he emanated some awful bad vibes.

I wonder how many middle-aged adults there are out there, who were extremely disappointed for years that their childhood requests to Jim'll Fix It were never granted - who are now really grateful that they potentially dodged a bullet.

It was a wonderful idea for a show, it just needed to be hosted by somebody with a personality and who was kind and relatable to children, rather than patronising and a dangerous threat to them. I think Keith Chegwin would have been perfect for it.

In fact, I recall reading in a thread on here once that Savile was on the prowl for the unwitting then-teenage OP and her friend. Keith Chegwin happened to be nearby in the same building and, once he realised what was about to happen, he deliberately created a distraction to protect the girls from being alone with JS.

It makes your skin crawl in hindsight, to think of JS going through the Jim'll Fix It requests with the team.

You would assume that they'd choose the requests based on how feasible they were to arrange, how much of an unforgettable experience they'd give the child in question, as well as how varied and interesting the chosen requests would be to the viewers at home.

I think we can all guess what markedly different criteria Savile would have had with his input in choosing which requests to grant.

I had a Jim'll Fix It annual as a child, which had a feature explaining how the team chose the fixes. It didn't sound as though Savile had personal involvement.

I was rather disappointed to learn that many of the fixes had to be set up at short notice - e.g. to fit in with the schedule of an in-demand celebrity - so the team would leaf through the letters to find people who lived in London and had a telephone number (in those days, not everyone was on the phone) so they could get them to the studio in time.

Clearly if you lived in Aberdeen and wanted to meet the Bay City Rollers, it was a waste of time doing a beautifully written letter with elaborate felt tip illustrations in the hope it would get you 'fixed'.

The kissing up the arms thing and telling girls to "give us a kiss" never sat right with me when i saw him do it on TV as a child. One of my nans loved him though, thought he was marvelous man and a devoted son. I remember she told me off for saying i thought he was creepy 😐

You've got to feel sorry for Harry hearing this now. Like he hasn't been through enough the last few years

I had a Jim'll Fix It annual as a child, which had a feature explaining how the team chose the fixes. It didn't sound as though Savile had personal involvement.

I know that's what you'd expect, but considering how interfering and invasive he was in Broadmoor, without any kind of 'proper' official role, I highly doubt that he'd sit back and let the production team do their job for a programme that bore his name and he was the 'star' of, knowing how predatory he was.

A genuine presenter, doing their job in good faith, would willingly leave the team to do their part and then brief them as to the content and plans before they came on and did theirs; but Savile was far too much of a control-freak opportunistic predator to take a passive role, imho.

He was given an official role in a Broadmoor 'task force'.

I think it more likely, with the fixes, that he looked at what the production team had already organised and spotted opportunities.