What does Prince harry mean by this in his speech at the Wellchild Awards?

[Mornusting]

"As you also probably know, she would have been the first person to insist that I still come to be with you all instead of going to her."

He is referring to the Queen.

Is he saying this is why he is not at Balmoral with the rest of the RF? Is this what he means by "going to her"?

and back we go to bad meghan for cutting off her abusive father. yes he is abusive, he tried to blackmail her.

It's always interesting that we imagine that our loved forbears, whose bodies have died, are 'looking down on us from somewhere up there'. I imagine it myself. Harry isn't the only one to think like that.
When I was a child we were allowed to sing a hymn which began. "There's a friend for little children above the bright blue sky", but then the C of E got frit and we didn't sing it any more because obviously Jesus and the communion of saints are under the sideboard as well as being "up there".
My instinct is to think that the late Queen is indeed looking down on us in the nicest possible way, but I can't take it for granted. (Next time I talk to Grandad I won't just look up there. I'll look down there as well.)

I do not know much about Well Child and Harry's involvement but I liked reading the positive comments about him from those who have seen and heard him at close quarters.

Before Meghan met and married Harry I understand her "Tig" constantly mentioned her "dear Daddy" how much he had done for her, and how much she loved him.

One post.

And while it’s sad what happened and in time I’m sure she may have forgiven him - his continued behaviour makes it very unlikely that she will be able to - especially when it comes to her children.

It's bizarre the way people try to insist what kind of relationship other people have, what they should have or what their own relatives think about them. Nobody here knows if the Queen was hurt by Harry, or if she supported him totally and was frustrated by Charles and William. Who knows? She didn't tell any of us. What kind of heartless grandmother would want them to be miserable and suffering? When she was alive there were still public birthday wishes for all Harrys family, and now there isn't.

I think its seriously odd people think he's name dropping because he speaks about his own grandmother right before her anniversary. Name dropping his grandma. Jesus. It shows how unhealthy the publics relationship is with them. Its one thing to scrutinise the financial details of keeping them, another thing entirely to spend your days insisting Harry shouldn't mention her, disappointed her and caused her suffering. The family should be separate from the firm. They clearly find that line difficult, but the public don't see a line at all.

As for Meghan's relationship with a truly unhealthy topic and racist section of her family, that is sad and clearly hurt her as she talked about him affectionately in the series. How awful for her that this father she was close to, turns around and betrays her, threatens her, and appears with people who have been racist and simulated sex with her and her husband. That would destroy me if my Dad did that. Disturb me forever and hurt me deeply. It's telling that people here and elsewhere don't have empathy for that situation, instead its used as another stick to beat her with. This isn't a reflection on Meghan, but on society and how fucked up we've become.

Thomas Markle sold his letter from Meghan to the Mail on Sunday, then agreed to testify against Meghan ... for the Mail on Sunday.

This after having attempted blackmail by saying that he would do a TV interview every few months until she talked to him.

Then at some point he was threatening to sue her for access to her own children.

Not to mention that he consorts with YouTubers who spread conspiracy theories about his daughter, ex-wife and grandchildren, and has appeared on some of these channels answering questions about whether she had "abortions" as a teenager.

Oh, and of course he does not see his other grandchildren who are themselves estranged from their parents: he just wants access to Meghan's kids.

It's very telling that you think it is sad that she has cut him off ruthlessly knowing all this.

It suggests to me that you think he is entitled to her somehow, like nothing he can do will ever be bad enough because he owns her in some way.

If a white woman narrated this litany of abuse from her father, there is no right thinking person on Mumsnet who would say it was sad that she had cut him off ruthlessly. People here are encouraged to go No Contact for far less.

Totally agree. There should be massive sympathy for what her family have done to her and how they have behaved, it's been listed out enough (selling themselves to the highest bidder, blackface, surrogates etc) and YET she is blamed?
Make me understand someone.

People here are encouraged to go No Contact for far less.
My god, yes.
You only have to read the Relationship board to see that

But Meghan is an exception I presume. She has to take all the shit thrown at her by her family and put up with it

@Roussette

It's very simple to me.

It Is because the Markles look like some of the people who support them, and Meghan and Doria do not. It's why Doria is vilified with untrue rumours while Thomas's ghastly behaviour is minimised and Meghan is made to look like the awful one.

Because nothing else explains it.

@Mornusting He is saying what millions of other people do about loved one who have passed. People like to think the dead are "watching over us" during important times to bring comfort. He knew his granny better than any of us and hasn't said anything offensive.

As for not visiting his granny before her death we don't know the full situation. She was in a meeting with the PM days before her death so it seems to have come round quick and it takes hours to fly from America. She could have gone for a nap, died, he gets a call and it would still take him around 10 or 11 hours to fly here. He came and he saw his family.

He is a hypocrite for all his eco preaching whilst sat in his mansion, booking flights on private jets and endless stream of money selling his family's privacy but he is human and criticising him over not being there the second his granny died is despicable. I visited my nan in hospital as she was dying and when I went home for dinner I got a call to say she died. Does that make me a shit person for not being there?

He wasn't in the USA. He was in Europe for Invictus.

Anyway, I wouldn't judge a person for where they were or what they were doing when a loved one died. It's really only a matter for the mourner themselves.

@Mylovelygreendress

Race is part of this. I will bring it up as often as I think it's appropriate thanks.

I take it you have no response, then, as to why you think it sad that a daughter has gone no contact with a father whose conduct is textbook abusive? What does he have to do for you to get it?

@Iwantcakeeveryday

As for Meghan's relationship with a truly unhealthy topic and racist section of her family, that is sad and clearly hurt her as she talked about him affectionately in the series.

Speaking of race: Samantha used to call Doria "the maid" to her friends.

Twitter dropped its collective jaw a couple of years ago when she wrote in one of her angry Twitter rants that "Diana was bouncing around with Arabs".

Yep. Those charming, charming Markles. Race has nothing to do with why some here support them! Not at all!

Dear oh dear. If this is true he’s certainly going to regret putting all his eggs in the basket of the woman he chose to marry against the advice of others. She has history of dumping people once they are no longer useful. He’s burned his bridges with his family. Interesting to see what happens next

I would always hope this not to be the case but given the lack of outrage at how those members of the Markle family behaved, I have to think you are right.

When the blackface YouTube vid was talked about (it was even linked at one point, then taken down) crickets apart from those who aren't obsessively anti H&M. Glossed over. Ignored

Just that should've been enough let alone all the other stuff.

I don't know what there is to be sad about when members of your family behave like that

No one says it's true.

Who advised him not to marry Meghan? If you're talking about William saying to slow down, I'd be telling my sibling to eff off too
Luckily mine said nothing like that when i met and married my DH quickly...more than three decades later.. here we are

The nasty speculation about someone's marriage is vile

When the blackface YouTube vid was talked about (it was even linked at one point, then taken down) crickets apart from those who aren't obsessively anti H&M. Glossed over. Ignored

Yep!! They ignore stuff like the blackface videos, the Thomas Markle blackmail, the testifying for the Mail on Sunday against Meghan, the suing for saying she was raised as an only child, while fixating on that one Father's Day post on the Tig and bleating about why people are bringing race into it and making "poor Markle family" sadfaces.

It's interesting to see how the Markles have been pretty much sidelined even by the tabloid media. Their regular appearances now are on anti-Meghan YouTube channels, with Samantha making the occasional appearance on Dan Wootton's GBNews show.

That should really tell you all you need to know.

In the Markle corner are:

-Youtube conspiracy theorists,
-Dan Wootton of GB News, and
-Mumsnetteers who dislike Meghan!

It's an interesting club for sure. 😁

Who has defended Thomas Markle Jr? I am scrolling, I don’t see anything. Are you sure you read it right?

Silence IS defending surely?

The video was seen on here, talked about, discussed, I didn't see much in the way of disgust about it and him from certain quarters.
Ditto when I talked about his appearance in Oz Big Brother. He spent his time in there slagging her off
She wisely kept her silence. No criticism by some on here either

He was estranged from Samantha, ( who used to call Doria 'The Help') until she changed her name back to Markle and crawled back into his life after Meghan met Harry. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the difference between then and now has a lot to do with his disgusting eldest daughter dripping poison into his ear. She was the one who told him to do the photoshoot. Yes, the whole situation should have been handled better by Harry, but the way Harry is is Harry's fault. He knows how the Royal Family work. He should have done the legwork.

I've not seen anyone defend Markle jnr or Samantha on here, but I could have missed those posts. Happy to be corrected.
I don't see hate on here either, but then I don't think justified criticism of a person's actions is hate. That's a way to shut down opinion. No-one is a saint, no-one is so perfect that their actions cannot be discussed...

I said “if”. This is a discussion forum. If H and M really wanted a quiet life they’d have one but that’s clearly not their intention and I doubt it ever was

@Angrycat2768 - I think you're right. I know many people on here will not accept criticism of Harry's actions, but I do think he was at fault. He ought to have been far clearer and given Meghan more information and clarity about joining the royal family.
This is not hate, just my opinion. ducks down below parapet....

I don’t think Meghan had any intention of fitting in with the RF. I think as an independent woman and moderately successful actress she was determined to do things her way. Unfortunately the RF doesn’t work like that so the pair of them did the right thing and buggered off. I do think however she has played on all of Harry’s insecurities and encouraged all this victim business

@Angrycat2768

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the difference between then and now has a lot to do with his disgusting eldest daughter dripping poison into his ear. She was the one who told him to do the photoshoot.

When Meghan met Harry, she was the only one of his children he was talking to. Soon after their relationship was announced, Thomas Jr did an interview saying Doria had divorced Thomas Snr because he used to travel to Thailand to have sex with prostituted women. He also slammed his sister Samantha in interviews, and she called him a fraudster.

Both also attacked Meghan.

After it became clear that they would not be invited to the wedding, they got closer to Thomas Snr. It was amusing to see in the recent Australia interview that this year, 2023, is the first time all three have been in the same place since long before 2018.

And yes indeed, Samantha orchestrated that whole pap shots debacle, and admitted to it.

I have long held the theory I shared here, that the Markle family dynamics are no different to those shared by blended families in the Step Parenting thread.
It is clear Thomas's older children did not like Doria, and it is clear they have always been jealous of Meghan. Add race into it, with Samantha calling Doria "the maid", and Thomas Jr putting on blackface to mock his half-sister, and you have next level toxicity.