Heart of Invictus: Flop?

[MamoruHisaishi]

Heart of Invictus, another Prince Harry-produced project, missed the chart this week for its debut and did not get into any weekly Top 10 worldwide. It’s good that the former Royals are able to produce passion projects, but it would be even better for Netflix if somebody was to actually watch them.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflix-top-10s-one-piece-disenchantment-choose-love-heart-of-invictus/

OP what do oyu want from these people you dont know? do you want them to fail at everything they do? What do you think will be the result of that? Do you want them to come back to the UK? Because Meghan certainly wont. So Harry will either be separated from his children or he wont come back either. He is making documentaries about projects which he is passionate about. Private companies are paying him money to do so. So what? Good for him. You should want him to succeed in doing that.

Here’s a question for you, is the heart of invictus more successful ratings wise than the lives to 100 or the harry and Meghan documentary about the royal family or tiger king? Because you keep going on about how being in this list doesn’t matter at all to Netflix, even though it clearly does, otherwise why would they even bother reporting it and why would they extend their partnerships with the creatives who have produced shows who have been in those top 10 lists?

if Netflix doesn’t consider ratings, or these lists as important to define a successful series/movie/documentary, why would they even bother reporting it? Why would it even make news?

at least I have some evidence to back me up here. Where is your evidence that Netflix doesn’t care about these top 10 lists that they themselves have released?

It’s amazing what nepotism can do for you.

They didn’t get paid 100 million dollars but got a contract for one. Again, this price range was seen as en extravagant deal at the time it was reported ...

Not having seen their contract I don't pretend to know how much it's for, but there's no denying that some of those more enamoured of Harry were happy enough to tout the £100m as a "massive success" when it was reported

Strange that it's sometimes the very same ones - and not just on here - who are now so quick to ask "How do you know?"

As ever, unless it's a direct attributable statement or quote, maybe it's best to remember that so much of this is just the blasted media at it again

I think they secretly want Harry and Meghan to be miserable and unsuccessful. They want that because they're offended that Harry and Meghan left UK for a better life in US.

It's like when I was 14 and my high school boyfriend dumped me for a girl in the other class and I spent a week fantasising about him being really miserable with her. It's that level of maturity.

you keep demanding something that Netflix themselves don’t release. Go ask them why they only release the viewership figures for their top 10 shows. And again, you are acting really angry for someone who doesn’t have a stake on the success of this show. It was a ratings flop because it wasn’t in the top 10 most watched list in any country. There have been articles on this, and you are still insisting on what you consider as successful is what Netflix considers as successful even though there is absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. So please, chill. This documentary wasn’t a ratings hit, accept the reality.

Exactly, the 100 million dollar deal was touted and has been widely reported even in respected news establishments. Also, I find it strange that reporting that the heart of invictus was a ratings flop is now somehow viewed as another attack on the Sussexes.

Because you keep going on about how being in this list doesn’t matter at all to Netflix,

I do not. You do. I have not said that and you continue to say something that isn't happening and refusing to answer questions about what you've stated. I have been clear that shows outside the top 10 can be and still are, successful. Stop saying I am saying something I am repeatedly correcting you on.

at least I have some evidence to back me up here. Where is your evidence that Netflix doesn’t care about these top 10 lists that they themselves have released?

You don't. You said it has low viewing figures and no figures have been released. Again, I have not said they don't care about the top 10. What I have said is that other shows will still be successful to them. That is surely pretty obvious to most people.

you keep demanding something that Netflix themselves don’t release.

Because you stated something you had no evidence of. I just wanted you to correct your own statements which were false and based on something you have no knowledge of. I don't know what the figures are either, so I am not saying its either a massive success, or a flop. You're the one starting a thread based purely on a top 10 list for the week.

And again, you are acting really angry for someone who doesn’t have a stake on the success of this show. It was a ratings flop because it wasn’t in the top 10 most watched list in any country. There have been articles on this, and you are still insisting on what you consider as successful is what Netflix considers as successful even though there is absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. So please, chill. This documentary wasn’t a ratings hit, accept the reality.

Nothing I have written is angry or emotional. I am being factual and asking you quite simple questions. Once again, you just don't like someone challenging you and your threads. The ';articles;' prove nothing, they don't have figures either.

I'll keep stating the obvious. Shows outside the top 10 are not all flops because they're not the top 10. It is frankly ridiculous to say they are.

I don't think I am the one that needs to 'chill' @MamoruHisaishi You've started yet another thread about someone you don't like, perhaps you need to chill?

People will respond to what you've stated. Its how it works.

Wow. This made for uncomfortable reading.
I feel sorry for them. To have your finances scrutinised and speculated over like this…it’s just so unnecessary.

Strange that it's sometimes the very same ones - and not just on here - who are now so quick to ask "How do you know?"

Not me. I’ve never shown an interest in their earnings or finances. It’s not in the public interest, unlike the tax funded Royals and the Tories dodgy contracts.

I would be really disappointed if it was a flop as the veterans story should be heard.

As always with these type of documentary's if it helps one person then it has been a success

It's also difficult to measure it's success based on viewing figures on Netflix, programmes like " Love is Blind" do well but they stents a great benchmark for quality viewing.

If we took Harry out of it would people be so keen for it to fail?

they may be successful to you but they’re clearly not successful ratings wise. This isn’t even discussing the quality of this documentary, this is just discussing that this show failed to make it in the top 10 most watched lists that Netflix have released, and therefore it is a ratings flop because no one watched it enough to make it to this list. Is that so hard to accept? It is a ‘flop’ in the sense that ratings wise, there weren’t enough views to make this a ratings hit.

you claim I said it has low viewing figures, that’s your words. I wrote some people have seen it but the views weren’t enough to make it a ratings success to be included in the top 10 most watched list which is the only lists that Netflix releases and shows the viewership figures for. You keep going on about this and that but you keep ignoring what I’m saying. Also, how do you know that other shows will still be successful to them if they don’t make it to the top 10 most watched list? Please cite your sources.

I have no evidence that it wasn’t a ratings hit even though other news articles have reported it to be a flop? Im not going to correct something that Netflix themselves have shown to be a flop in viewing numbers as it’s not included in their top 10 most watched list.

I think it’s not the the dislike of Harry that made people less likely to watch it. It’s just that most people are probably indifferent to him unless he’s discussing the royal family. 🤷

@MamoruHisaishi could be

How many people have lost Nflix access due to clampdown on sharing? Lots.

As a paying customer I actually think this is a good thing if there any chance it's skewing metrics.

I know I'm not alone in being frustrated that programs I like keep getting cancelled as obscure non published metrics aren't met despite there apparently being an audience and the show regularity hitting top ten lists.

I've seen on-line this frustration hit the Sussexes - as there is supposedly money for their projects but not for stuff people want to watch not because they are hated or disliked but just frustration with Netflix commissioning behavior. The results is whereas previously they might have taken a look and got drawn in now they are boycotting to try and make it clear this isn't want they want from Netflix. How widespread this actually is compared to people blowing steam of on-line I've no idea.

Also sometime things do take time to find an audience - so I wouldn't write it off completely yet - word of mouth and media coverage good or bad does still have an effect.

I think reporting the value/worth of these deals is quite common in Hollywood. Shonda rhimes and Ryan murphy were reported to have been offered deals worth 100-300 million dollars by Netflix. It might also be good PR for these producers to show how highly in demand they are that they can command these types of figures.

No, that article was speculating over private finances. It felt intrusive and uncomfortable. That article was not in the public’s interest.

Yes its just like that <wtf>.

So all the money generated from Netflix’s Heart of Invictus, is that being ploughed back into the charity for the ex-service men and women? Regardless of whether you admire H, that has got to be a positive don’t you think?

I won’t be watching it because I’m sick of Harry’s constant whinging about how hard done by he is.

He is more of a liability now to Invictus than an asset.

I wouldn’t regard it as a flop but it’s not a raging success either unlike the couples whinge fest, lie fest so that’s one bonus. Harry should have talked only about the veterans and their struggles not trotted out his usual mother issues. When will he let his poor mum lie in rest? Harry’s war experience was no where near as traumatic as men blown up by IUDs and to make it about him was irritating

I had to laugh at the reviews on IMBD as they’ve taken out all the reviews on the show below 8. They were there but yet another example of Netflix massaging the figures.

how many viewers Netflix has is irrelevant as they are all from the same pool.

I don't think the show at say position 11 is a flop.

Also probably no one would watch this if it wasn't for Harry and his publicity around the show. It would be totally overlooked.

@MamoruHisaishi this is what you have said:

In television ratings, a "flop" refers to a show or program that performs very poorly in terms of viewership. It's a colloquial term used to describe a TV show that fails to attract a significant audience or has low ratings, indicating that it is not popular or successful. Shows with high ratings are considered successful, while those with low ratings may face cancellation or changes to improve their performance.

So I'll ask again, please answer this directly.

Are all shows outside the top 10, a flop?

You don't have any idea of the 'viewership' so you can only be referring to it not being in the top 10.

Are all shows outside the top 10, a flop?

That's absolutely fine you feel that way.

I was a lukewarm Republican, but the pro H&M and Republican faction on here have turned me into supporting the RF because of the OTT response to any minor discussions.

You may want to think about that.

Ive seen this said on here before and again today - that the British people are upset about Harry leaving and want him back without Meghan. Is this an American perception because I have never heard anyone in the UK say this or indicate this? It is quite the opposite.