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Heart of Invictus: Flop?

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MamoruHisaishi · 06/09/2023 20:55

Heart of Invictus, another Prince Harry-produced project, missed the chart this week for its debut and did not get into any weekly Top 10 worldwide. It’s good that the former Royals are able to produce passion projects, but it would be even better for Netflix if somebody was to actually watch them.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflix-top-10s-one-piece-disenchantment-choose-love-heart-of-invictus/

Netflix Top 10s: One Piece, Disenchantment, Choose Love, Heart of Invictus

Reviewing all the top stories from the Netflix top 10s over the past 7 days.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflix-top-10s-one-piece-disenchantment-choose-love-heart-of-invictus/

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skullbabe · 07/09/2023 08:36

If people don't want the focus to be on Harry for the series, theres an easy way to solve that. Don't focus on him. Talk about the athletes. You're literally blaming him for your own behaviour.

I absolutely agree with this. I’ve just skimmed the recent Invictus threads and it’s apparent that it’s the people who don’t like Harry who are making it about him because, if you look at the actual comments by people who actually watched the whole thing and are positive or equivocal about him, they talk about how some stories have moved them to tears, how some stories made them feel seen (re:PTSD), how inspiring they found it. Very few comments about Harry. However the people who very much don’t like Harry make the less than 10 minutes he talks about himself directly over 4 hours the only focus of the documentary - and blame him for it. 🤣

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MamoruHisaishi · 07/09/2023 08:38

So I guess it was a flop. No matter how much the explanation is, Harry (and Meghan) really only draw the ratings when they're discussing the royals.

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Roussette · 07/09/2023 08:39

Do call it a 'flop' if it makes you feel better!

Many disagree.

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MamoruHisaishi · 07/09/2023 08:43

Roussette · 07/09/2023 08:39

Do call it a 'flop' if it makes you feel better!

Many disagree.

In television ratings, a "flop" refers to a show or program that performs very poorly in terms of viewership. It's a colloquial term used to describe a TV show that fails to attract a significant audience or has low ratings, indicating that it is not popular or successful. Shows with high ratings are considered successful, while those with low ratings may face cancellation or changes to improve their performance.

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MamoruHisaishi · 07/09/2023 08:45

Why is it so difficult to accept that this documentary is a flop when it comes to viewership? You may be a fan of the sussexes but to deny what's been reported is puzzling to me.

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Highandlows · 07/09/2023 08:46

You are promoting it thought. I have not heard about it at all up to now here.
I see the usual people coming on the pair of grifters defence.

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MamoruHisaishi · 07/09/2023 08:51

Highandlows · 07/09/2023 08:46

You are promoting it thought. I have not heard about it at all up to now here.
I see the usual people coming on the pair of grifters defence.

I'm just posting about it, and I'm sure there are people willing to watch this documentary but they're not enough to make a difference to the viewer numbers.

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LadyKenya · 07/09/2023 08:52

Mylovelygreendress · 07/09/2023 08:36

And the pile on begins …….

I’m off .

That would be for the best then. You come across as completely lacking in compassion imo.

SophiaElise · 07/09/2023 08:54

I didn't even know this was out (I don't read DM)

I'll check it out on netflix this weekend.

LadyKenya · 07/09/2023 08:55

It is now on my list of things to watch.

Dramatico · 07/09/2023 08:56

How can something in Netflix Top 10 be a flop?

I think that some people are just weirdly invested in Harry 'failing'. In reality he's out there living life and doing the projects that are truly meaningful to him. Good on him.

skullbabe · 07/09/2023 09:00

So I guess it was a flop. No matter how much the explanation is, Harry (and Meghan) really only draw the ratings when they're discussing the royals.

Yes viewing figures are low. It’s a shame because it’s a well crafted docu-series and the veterans’ stories resonated and remain with me and many others. But the point is to be glad that Harry hasn’t succeeded - so yay for you.

Iwasafool · 07/09/2023 09:01

I haven't seen it, probably will at some stage as I like documentaries so would be interested in the veterans stories. I don't understand the "fewer people watching netflix" as if that explains it not being in the top10, fewer netflix members would affect all their programmes wouldn't it?

I think I need a coffee, get my brain going and then maybe I will figure it out.

LadyKenya · 07/09/2023 09:02

I'm just posting about it, and I'm sure there are people willing to watch this documentary but they're not enough to make a difference to the viewer numbers.

🤔

Iwantcakeeveryday · 07/09/2023 09:09

Angrycat2768 · 07/09/2023 08:32

The DM ( who don't have an agenda at all and are totally bias free...) have taken a miniscile part of the documentary and blown it up out of all proportion, then blamed Harry for taking the focus away from the veterans, when they are the ones who have done that, as well as all the obsessive Harry haters. Sadly, people arent that interested in veterans, and haven't been since the beginning of wartime. They get forgotten about almost as down as they come back home. Which is why there was a Need for Invictus and other veterans charities, why so many are homeless and unemployed and why so many have mental health problems. Without Harry, the doc wouldn't have been made on Netflix and wouldn't have been watched even as much as it has.

Very well said. It would not have been made at all without him, so I am glad his connection meant these inspiring stories were told. It does;t need to be number 1 to have meaning or success.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 07/09/2023 09:10

MamoruHisaishi · 07/09/2023 08:45

Why is it so difficult to accept that this documentary is a flop when it comes to viewership? You may be a fan of the sussexes but to deny what's been reported is puzzling to me.

What are the viewing figures? Its not top 10 for Netflix, but do you have the figures? Shows outside the top 10 aren't necessarily 'flops'.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 07/09/2023 09:12

The site the OP has linked to, isn't connected to Netflix, just FYI

User353463 · 07/09/2023 09:30

I think it boils down to the fact that H&M are always foisted down people's throats as if they are already incredibly talented and the public must adore and consume whatever they create. It's the insidious "being told what to do" and "being told what to like" that is annoying. Based on pure meritocracy, they would never have achieved close to the opportunities they received. The documentary is obviously trending despite not being in the top 10 because Harry is buddies with Netflix and they're featuring it on the front page in hopes more people will watch it. There are probably tons of incredible documentaries buried deep inside Netflix whose producers will never receive that type of treatment.

Some other examples:

Invictus Games receives sweeping BBC coverage in the UK because it's Harry's project.

Invictus is not being broadcast on a single German TV channel, not even the opening show. They are giving tickets out for free in hopes of filing the stadium.

Instead of the opening ceremony, German TV is showing a German-made 45mins documentary about their own soldiers preparing for the Games. There is no mention of Prince Harry or any attempt to keep him in the spotlight.

Harry's main TV appearance is on a sports talk show at 11pm. It's an established show but the timing cannot be a coincidence. German TV execs seem to be determined not to participate in the personality cult of H&M

Holding an event celebrating war heroes in Europe is controversial to begin with, especially in Germany. The decision to accept it was possibly diplomatic and there was never an desire to promote Invictus to the general public.

Being such a tricky topic, it would be impossible to expect viral viewing figures on Netflix. It was clearly going to be "flop" in terms of absolute views from the beginning.

Angrycat2768 · 07/09/2023 09:36

MamoruHisaishi · 07/09/2023 08:45

Why is it so difficult to accept that this documentary is a flop when it comes to viewership? You may be a fan of the sussexes but to deny what's been reported is puzzling to me.

Why is it so difficult for some people to let the man and his wife be? Netflix have paid for the documentary. I pay for Netflix by choice. I can not pay for Netflix if I wish. If Netflix consider the documentary to be a flop, they are well within their rights not to use them again. The Royal Family is one of the richest and definitely one of the most powerful families in the world. They do not need protecting by randoms who they wouldnt spit on if they were on fire. As soon as the heat is off Harry and Meghan, it will be on them ( people who are unelected representatives of the UK, who we pay to keep in the lap of luxury for all eternity and who deserve to be scrutinised as public servants). They love all the OTT Meghan and Harry hate. It keeps them where they are.

Just4ThisThread · 07/09/2023 09:40

Is the Opening Ceremony not on iPlayer or Red Button?

Hardly sweeping BBC coverage.

I can’t see any country giving sweeping TV coverage, it looks like many participating nations are directing viewers to the official website or YouTube because let’s face it, digital options are more accessible.

MissElinorDashwood · 07/09/2023 09:44

User353463 · 07/09/2023 09:30

I think it boils down to the fact that H&M are always foisted down people's throats as if they are already incredibly talented and the public must adore and consume whatever they create. It's the insidious "being told what to do" and "being told what to like" that is annoying. Based on pure meritocracy, they would never have achieved close to the opportunities they received. The documentary is obviously trending despite not being in the top 10 because Harry is buddies with Netflix and they're featuring it on the front page in hopes more people will watch it. There are probably tons of incredible documentaries buried deep inside Netflix whose producers will never receive that type of treatment.

Some other examples:

Invictus Games receives sweeping BBC coverage in the UK because it's Harry's project.

Invictus is not being broadcast on a single German TV channel, not even the opening show. They are giving tickets out for free in hopes of filing the stadium.

Instead of the opening ceremony, German TV is showing a German-made 45mins documentary about their own soldiers preparing for the Games. There is no mention of Prince Harry or any attempt to keep him in the spotlight.

Harry's main TV appearance is on a sports talk show at 11pm. It's an established show but the timing cannot be a coincidence. German TV execs seem to be determined not to participate in the personality cult of H&M

Holding an event celebrating war heroes in Europe is controversial to begin with, especially in Germany. The decision to accept it was possibly diplomatic and there was never an desire to promote Invictus to the general public.

Being such a tricky topic, it would be impossible to expect viral viewing figures on Netflix. It was clearly going to be "flop" in terms of absolute views from the beginning.

There’s some misinformation in this post. Most of it has been addressed and clarified in a previous thread.

Samcro · 07/09/2023 09:45

Mylovelygreendress · 07/09/2023 08:36

And the pile on begins …….

I’m off .

these kind of posts are annoying. its like no one is allowed to disagree with this op. what do people want? an echo chamber?
its not a pile on to disagree with someone.

MissElinorDashwood · 07/09/2023 09:51

MissElinorDashwood · 07/09/2023 09:44

There’s some misinformation in this post. Most of it has been addressed and clarified in a previous thread.

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*Misinformation and reframing of common practices, tabloid style.

DewinDwl · 07/09/2023 09:58

Oh going to watch it now. Thanks for the heads up OP xx