Heart of Invictus: Flop?

[MamoruHisaishi]

Heart of Invictus, another Prince Harry-produced project, missed the chart this week for its debut and did not get into any weekly Top 10 worldwide. It’s good that the former Royals are able to produce passion projects, but it would be even better for Netflix if somebody was to actually watch them.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflix-top-10s-one-piece-disenchantment-choose-love-heart-of-invictus/

I think some people in this thread really need to check themselves and realise that they are gloating over a documentary about disabled war veterans not being as successful as they think it should be.

Weird.

The only one that was a ratings success was a documentary that had to do with them discussing their time in the royal family

This can't be denied - ditto the book and interviews. It's been their USP so far, which probably explains why Harry at least drags some RF anecdote into practically anything he does

Whether they'll succeed in other non-RF ventures remains to be seen; perhaps others will come to regard them as "f*ing grifters", or maybe they'll find some real drive in other directions - who knows?

Is it now an established fact that if a NF series or doc isn't in the top 10, it is deemed a flop?

If so, there will be a LOT of disappointed producers, directors and participants out there

I never knew this

Every show is promoted. I do not understand that you then conclude if something is promoted and fails to get into the top 10, it must be a flop. I don't see how you connect those two things when every show is promoted, this one was not promoted more or less than other documentaries. Most of which also do not make the top 10.
It's obvious why the show about them hit such high figures. Nobody in the industry would ever assume that anything they produced thereafter would then draw the same figures. For obvious reasons.
None of the points you make explain why you think shows that don't make the top 10 are then 'flops'. Nor does it explain why you insisted it had low viewing figures when you don't seem to have seen any viewing figures.

This. All because of their disturbing need to want to see the downfall of someone who they don't even know.

This can't be denied - ditto the book and interviews. It's been their USP so far, which probably explains why Harry at least drags some RF anecdote into practically anything he does

So far, is just 3 years. They did an interview, a series and he published a book. Did people really expect a string of other projects by now? It takes a long time to establish yourself and producing even just one project takes years. I would suggest the reason he 'drags some RF anecdotes' into things is because its been his life for almost 40 years. I think it would be weird to never ever mention the last 39 years of your life and the things in it. Especially given the topic of this particular project.

Haven’t found the exact numbers yet but this is straight from Netflix itself, and none of them include heart of invictus:

https://www.netflix.com/tudum/top10/united-kingdom/tv?week=2023-09-03

there is a documentary that made it to the top 10 called live to 100, so for those claiming that not a lot of people watch documentaries to explain why heart of invictus wasn’t a ratings success, well that’s clearly untrue.

It is more concern for the vets. They deserve better.

Harry may have started the whole thing but if he had an ounce of self awareness < which he of course does not> he would now step back. His association brings negativity not the positivity that it did initially.

He's told too many tales, sold too many folk down the river. His credibility and authenticity are shot to bits. He is the antithesis of iG.

I'm aware of the netlfix top 10. But you said it had low figures. What are you basing that assertion on, just this?

Were those producers, directors and participants paid 100 million dollars to work for Netflix?

The fact that it missed the top 10, it was beaten by another documentary. So not sure why you continue to dispute that it wasn’t a ratings success?

Do you think they got paid 100 million to make this documentary? Wouldn't;t that be amazing because then Invictus would get the whole lot!

It is more concern for the vets. They deserve better.

I'm sorry but I feel like that comment might be a little disingenuous? Or maybe you don't know how veterans are treated in UK?

Theur housing is dreadful. They are hugely overrepresented in homeless statistics, and drug and alcohol addictions. They are routinely ignored in public debate. People don't like talking about and honouring war veterans in UK.They prefer to ignore them.

Therefore, any media platform they get is to be welcomed and this is a huge one. Or is there an alternative that you work with or amplify you would like to bring to our attention? If not, then maybe it's best to just acknowledge that Harry is doing a fantastic job here, and putting Invictus on a global platform?

Agree.
It’s distasteful.

agree

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. The Sussexes got paid a whole lot more than other more experienced producers with proven successes, and the only success they’ve had so far ratings wise is their documentary discussing the royal family. If I was a highly experienced and successful producer it would make me feel awful to see two people with no experience get paid a whole lot more than they deserve.

Beaten? They're quite different documentaries, did you watch either of them? Have you heard of blue zones before? Its an established thing with books and a huge following of people committed to this style of living, lots of plant based gurus promoting this style of living etc for at least a decade. I am not surprised it got in the top 10.

I dispute your words, you've said it had low viewings. What do you base that on? You haven't seen the figures. The fact a show doesn't hit the top 10 does not mean it doesn't have good viewing figures.

The Sussexes got paid a whole lot more than other more experienced producers with proven successes,

What do you base this statement on? What did they get paid, and what do producers typically get paid by Netflix? Do you know?

the only success they’ve had so far ratings wise

Again, please show me the figures you're using to make this assertion because I do not think you know enough about other similar shows, nor do you have viewing figures for this show.

Well, as I said IG is great however H's ridiculous behaviour in the media in recent months hasn't done him any favours. He comes across as bitter and petulant, and again as I have said the opposite of those who participate in IG.

So yes of course let the event carry on but worh a more positive and likeable face fronting it.

Also, the people here are making it out to be that Netflix only cares that heart of invictus highlights the plight of disabled vets and don’t care at all about ratings. This is a company who don’t even pay their workers/writers proper wages even when the shows become ratings hits and you’re telling me that they have now suddenly become altruistic and ratings don’t matter at all anymore? Really?

Please provide evidence that they were definitely given $100M. I’ve always been curious about this. Is it fact, or tabloid speculation repeated so often that it has turned into fact?

Either way it’s none of our business. Our taxes aren’t paying for them so we have no right to stick our noses up in their finances.

Well, you’re not a highly experienced and successful producer and neither are we so don’t worry about it.

@MamoruHisaishi do you have the viewing figures for this though?

I am personally well aware of how this industry works and what they need to succeed, what viewing figures typically are etc as my DH has been in the industry since its inception, making some of the first on demand TV apps and currently works for a Netflix 'rival', Netflix is the best in the business at the moment. Not all of its shows need to get huge viewing figures, thats the beauty of being this successful. They need to have good quality content, mixed with popular content, and I think they're quite good at offering a mix of things. Most of what I watch never makes the top 10.

Okay let’s compare it to the other sussex documentary, the only one considered a ratings hit, which was in the top 10 list in multiple countries. Are you saying that it wasn't really a success ratings wise because being in the top 10 list doesn't really matter?

Does Netflix even release the figures for shows that don't make it to the top 10? The fact is, there was a lot of hype related to heart of invictus, there's even a thread about it here, and still It didn't make it to the top 10 list of most watched shows.

you can dispute all you like, the fact that it didn’t make it to the top 10 list means that it didn’t garner a lot of views compared to their last documentary about the royals.

Why though? Harry founded and created Invictus. He's a globally famous figure. So famous he doesn't even need a surname, everyone knows who Harry is. He's also a veteran. Why would he leave an organisation he is so tied to and suitable for?

Who else could do it that is a veteran and has that same level of fame?