Heart of Invictus: Flop?

[MamoruHisaishi]

Heart of Invictus, another Prince Harry-produced project, missed the chart this week for its debut and did not get into any weekly Top 10 worldwide. It’s good that the former Royals are able to produce passion projects, but it would be even better for Netflix if somebody was to actually watch them.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflix-top-10s-one-piece-disenchantment-choose-love-heart-of-invictus/

He's doing a great job of publicising IG, and the <300 or so current/former British personnel (similar figures for other countries?)

Compare that to the 60,000 that SSAFA assist every year. And that's before you start looking at the reach of RBL, or H4H, or any of the other charities. Even smaller charities like the Not Forgotten Association have a reach of 10,000

Not saying IG is not important or welcome, or does not deserve support. Just remember that it's a small part of a much, much bigger picture.

I’d like to know this also.
No one is ever able to answer this but they are still prepared to make outlandish statements not based on facts or evidence.

Hasn’t this narrative been running since 2020?
It’s tiresome and frankly, boring. Provide evidence or move on.

Okay let’s compare it to the other sussex documentary, the only one considered a ratings hit, which was in the top 10 list in multiple countries. Are you saying that it wasn't really a success ratings wise because being in the top 10 list doesn't really matter?

No. I don't know how you would think that. Lets go over it clearly.
What I think is that things can still be a success, even if they don't hit the top 10 viewing lists.

Does Netflix even release the figures for shows that don't make it to the top 10?

You've answered my question with a question. You asserted a number of times this had low ratings and was a flop. Do you have figures or not?? Just answer the question. You obviously are basing this solely on the top 10. If Netflix had your attitude, they'd only make 10 shows, or never run second season of anything but top 10 shows.

you can dispute all you like, the fact that it didn’t make it to the top 10 list means that it didn’t garner a lot of views compared to their last documentary about the royals.

You didn't say this originally though did you. You said it was a ratings flop and had low viewing figures. It seems you have nothing to back that up at all and started a thread based on a top 10 list only.

Their last documentary was about them leaving and their life now, actually. It was a ratings hit, a huge one. The fact other shows will get lower figures will be a surprise to precisely no-one at Netflix.

Because as I keep on saying things have changed. It isn't 2014 and his very face and attitude make a lot of people switch off.

As I say the vets deserve better I am sure there are many, many ex or current service people who could now carry on. Yes he established it, great well done. Know when to go though.

his very face and attitude make a lot of people switch off.

He also makes a lot of people switch on. Whether you like it or not. I am more concerned with the vets and as many have thanked him and some have thanked him for saving their life, I think what they want and who they want is more important that what you think.

exactly @Iwantcakeeveryday

Well said@Iwantcakeeveryday .

Are you saying that Harry should not work with Invictus because there are other charities out there for veterans? Or that Invictus doesn't help enough veterans?

Maybe not every veteran wants to take part in Invictus. The whole point of it is, it's games. It has a different purpose to the other charities you name.

The Sun does a great job of publicisng H4H as I said. But surely there is room for more than one or two organisations for veterans?

Otherwise you would only have one charity per cause.

No. I don't know how you would think that. Lets go over it clearly.
What I think is that things can still be a success, even if they don't hit the top 10 viewing lists.

how many producers have gotten 100 million dollar deals? I’ve checked the average wage of a Netflix producer and it’s like 80,000 to 90,000 a year in wages. The only ones who even reach the 100 million plus figure deals have been well known and successful producers like Ryan Murphy and Shonda Rhimes. It is not common for your average inexperienced untested producers (like the susssexss) to get 100 million dollar deals. In fact many writers and producers are complaining they didn’t get compensated enough by Netflix despite the successes of their shows.

You've answered my question with a question. You asserted a number of times this had low ratings and was a flop. Do you have figures or not?? Just answer the question. You obviously are basing this solely on the top 10. If Netflix had your attitude, they'd only make 10 shows, or never run second season of anything but top 10 shows.

if Netflix was in the habit of paying 100 million dollar deals to your average producer then yes your comparison works. Those shows and series and documentaries and movies that don’t make it to the top 10 lists didn’t have producers who had 100 million dollar deals to produce shows. Shonda Rhimes had a 300 million dollar deal, and her shows have mostly been ratings hits and are in the top 10 list of most watched shows. Do you honestly think Netflix is happy for this documentary to just be so so in ratings instead of a ratings success? If Netflix had your mind set that being meh is good enough even if it doesn’t garner enough views; they wouldn’t have bothered continuing on their partnerships with the likes of Shonda Rhimes pr the producers of stranger things, or the creators of squid game.

Their last documentary was about them leaving and their life now, actually. It was a ratings hit, a huge one. The fact other shows will get lower figures will be a surprise to precisely no-one at Netflix.

if the top 10 lists don’t matter, how do you know that this was a huge ratings hit? The fact that no one cares to watch anything the Sussexes do that’s not bitching about the royal family shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

@Janiie I used to support the Monarchy. I was never over enthusiastic but I didn’t mind them. Over the last few years, my views have changed and I have become indifferent. I don’t read or watch any of their promotional work. Neither did I watch the coronation, that’s how little they interest me now.

However, your posts in particular, especially in the previous Invictus thread, made me consider becoming a member of Republic. You may want to think about that.

'He also makes a lot of people switch on'

I thought we were discussing how his documentary hasn't been overly popular? Which is a shame.

Goodness me, there are some harry fans on here.

op, from what I’ve gathered, the series has been much, much less successful than was hoped and expected.

I suspect that’s for the reason mentioned , harry is not a popular figure right now, he is very controversial, and due to his association it has sadly turned many people off.

I disagree documentaries don’t make the top ten or high viewing figures, many do, war, letby, attenburgh, natural world, true crime etc.

the invictus games docu should have been much more heavily viewed and I suspect if it had been released back when they were popular, Ie when they first married, the viewing figures would have been much much higher.

i hope and am sure some good has come of it though, in terms of raising awareness of the games themselves.

They did an interview, a series and he published a book. Did people really expect a string of other projects by now?

Several interviews actually, and on the subject of MH I just found out he sold a therapy/diagnosis session with Gabor Mate on a pay per view basis (WTF was that all about??)

But no, I wouldn't expect too many other projects yet; as you rightly say these aren't produced in a couple of weeks so time will tell if there's anything of real interest to come

Deeply admirable if all these proceeds from the Invictus link really are going to the cause though, but as with every other member of the RF I'd want to see the receipts before getting out the bunting

@MamoruHisaishi you have been asked a few times now to provide evidence that Netflix paid the Sussexes $100M.
We’re still waiting.

i just checked again and it seems that Netflix isn’t in the habit of releasing the figures for their shows that aren’t on the top 10 list. So basically, the only figures they’re willing to release are those that make it to the top 10. Not sure why this is becoming so controversial to state that Netflix doesn’t consider heart of invictus to be a ratings success when it’s not on any of their most watched top 10 shows list. Sheesh.

exactly, this shouldn’t have made some people so upset that heart of invictus failed to draw enough viewership ratings to be included in the top 10 most watched list from Netflix. These lists came from Netflix itself and they’re only willing to release the figures that make it to this list. To Netflix, these shows in the list are a ratings hit, and heart of invictus would be a ratings flop in comparison.

'However, your posts in particular, especially in the previous Invictus thread, made me consider becoming a member of Republic. You may want to think about that.'

Oh I wouldn't mind a Republic so fill your boots. What i do mind is a bitter prince flouncing, wanging on about media intrusion and invasion of privacy then becoming a media blabber himself and invading everyone else's privacy. IG need a better patron.

You said it was a flop because it hadn’t reached the top 10 - hence the discussion

Netflix doesn’t consider heart of invictus to be a ratings success

That’s phrasing was interesting. I’ll wait and see what Netflix actually says before I pass judgement.

@MamoruHisaishi

how many producers have gotten 100 million dollar deals? I’ve checked the average wage of a Netflix producer and it’s like 80,000 to 90,000 a year in wages. The only ones who even reach the 100 million plus figure deals have been well known and successful producers like Ryan Murphy and Shonda Rhimes. It is not common for your average inexperienced untested producers (like the susssexss) to get 100 million dollar deals. In fact many writers and producers are complaining they didn’t get compensated enough by Netflix despite the successes of their shows.

You didn't;t answer my question, again. How do you know what they got paid? Or for how many projects? Where did you 'check' what the average fee is?

• your second point is again based on a figure you have no details of, or evidence of.

if the top 10 lists don’t matter, how do you know that this was a huge ratings hit? The fact that no one cares to watch anything the Sussexes do that’s not bitching about the royal family shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

You have a habit of misquoting and then going on about something that wasn't said. Nobody said they don't matter. You are implying they're the only measure of success. Again you say ' no one ' watched this, based on absolute zero clue what the figures were.

If you're going to start a thread, I suggest you actually have some evidence or source you base your assertions on. All you have is what the top 10 is. That is a part of decisions but certainly not the only measure that Netflix uses to decide what to continue with, or who. You're just not actually addressing any of the points made properly.

That’s interesting. I didn’t know you support a Republic. So you’d like to see the monarchy abolished? You don’t support them?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnchmielewski/2021/02/26/how-much-are-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-worth-surprisingly-not-that-much/?sh=625dc95cc417

they didn’t get paid 100 million dollars but got a contract for one. Again, this price range was seen as en extravagant deal at the time it was reported and the only other producers who were reported to have garnered a similar offer were the likes of Shonda Rhimes and Ryan Murphy.

It just did, with the release of their top 10 list of the most watched shows and documentaries.

Netflix is a private company. They can pay what they like. Are you going to berate ITV for paying Ant and Dec £££ for light entertainment? How about Tesco's for paying Jamie Oliver to put recipes in their magazine?

Why don't you ever address what is actually said to you?

You are being asked and queried on where you got your viewing figures from. You don't have any. You have only the top 10 list. You have been asked if you consider anything not a top 10 to be a flop. You then state that it is compared to the series about themselves. That's not what your OP was about. You have said it was a flop, others have pointed out that things outside the top 10 can still be considered a success. Most of us on the other thread assumed this wouldn't;t be a top 10 because of the topic. SO nobody is 'upset' about it. People are questioning all the assumptions you've made which seem to be based on your dislike of him and need for him to fail.

@Janieforever not so much a 'fan' as someone who likes things to be based on facts.
from what I’ve gathered, the series has been much, much less successful than was hoped and expected.- what do you mean by this and what do you base this on? Do you have viewing figures or any information on what was expected?

Netflix releasing their weekly top 10's is not a statement from them about any show not in that list. What an absurd suggestion!