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jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 17:13

Thanks @JamieFrasersfurrysporran , luckily ( or not!) , it wasn't me this time , why are kids always ill before going back to school!! 🙄 xx

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 02/09/2023 17:18

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 17:13

Thanks @JamieFrasersfurrysporran , luckily ( or not!) , it wasn't me this time , why are kids always ill before going back to school!! 🙄 xx

The little buggars do it deliberately!

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 17:21

Yep! , i your right, mine tag team , so you always have someone ill all the bloody time , I always end up with it too , I'm the default support person! 🙄🤣

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 17:49

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/09/2023 15:33

@Iwantcakeeveryday

It's apparently okay on Mumsnet to call Meghan the very othering "non-white", because only you and I are appalled by it.

I wonder though what would happen if I called Kate Middleton or any other white woman poster here a "Karen".

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

You are not comparing the same things though - non white, non black , black, white, poc etc . Those are in the same arena.

Karen is not so. Karen does not refer to all white women. It would be like me saying referring to MM.
It swings both ways.

Samcro · 02/09/2023 17:54

Calling Meghan non white is awful
I als hate Karen being an insult.
i know nice Karen’s

unbelieveable22 · 02/09/2023 18:07

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/09/2023 15:33

@Iwantcakeeveryday

It's apparently okay on Mumsnet to call Meghan the very othering "non-white", because only you and I are appalled by it.

I wonder though what would happen if I called Kate Middleton or any other white woman poster here a "Karen".

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Some claiming not to have seen the comment? Did they also not see your very strong response? How could they miss that! When you explained still no condemnation. That is par for the course on here.

When nasty comments were made towards @Iwantcakeeveryday ,some very personal, some posters were straight in offering support to the poster making them. None of that support was qualified. Goading and personal attacks on any poster should be never be supported. The poster in question obviously felt empowered to continue despite the pleading from @Iwantcakeeveryday for her to stop. Not one of those supporting WT asked her not to pile on IWC despite IWC obviously being upset.

Two quick quotes: 'I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've written'
'Your posts were passionate and from the heart'
As I stated, no qualification

Another poster who queried should a POC speak for a white person was 'warned'
don't take the bait, the more recent type of posts are a well used tactic by some, it's unfortunate and also quite tedious but there we go. Best to ignore I find.

How do you answer that? That some feel comfortable thinking that let alone writing it down is appalling. Insidious language and proves just ingrained the thinking is.

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jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 18:25

As I'm assuming you were quoting me , when I said I wholeheartedly agreed with her post , I will qualify again!
The post in question was about her dh being a veteran and his struggles and how she personally found Harry's comments infuriating, I too am married to a ex veteran as I specifically said and agreed with her comments about this , whatever further spats she got into with another poster his their business, I no longer get into defending one side against another, I've done it in the past for posters from either side of the fence and not only do they not remember but they actively forget and rush to pile on me.
Enough! Posters can fight their own battles and leave me out of it!

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 18:59

Thank you @unbelieveable22 it was all rather needless, people think all boarding schools are like eton or that someones life follows a clear path and fits neatly into a specific box.

skullbabe · 02/09/2023 19:06

It’s unbelievable isn’t it but as I say par for course for Mumsnet.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/09/2023 19:12
Baby Animals Cats GIF

I typed out a response and lost it and cba to do it again so I'm just going to post some kittens instead.

Have a good evening all.

ArcaneWireless · 02/09/2023 19:15

To be fair, we are oft asked by MNHQ not to engage - no matter how unfair things are with regards to objectionable posts or personal attacks but to report instead.

Recently I’ve been put off doing that too.

It doesn’t mean to say that we are all sat here thinking that every post should stand or that personal attacks are the way to go. They aren’t.

I’ll speak for myself here (but I’m sure I’m not alone) in that the ensuing pile ons or bun fights aren’t what we come on threads for.

As for missing some posts? I do this frequently. I am on MN to desperately wind down after a shift. I don’t see every post and I confess to missing great swathes of fast moving threads. If they appear in active, I might have a look in. If it is interesting and I’m not too knackered, I’ll maybe manage to read more. More often than not, I’m hanging out of my arse, having microsleeps and big ones and being pulled in every direction.

I often don’t have the time or the inclination to keep scrolling back if the same things are being said.

I am a veteran. I too found it a pity that the press went in on Harry’s comment. Not his fault granted but his story has been told a few times recently and I feel it took the spotlight away from those it should have been shining on.

Is he in pain? Has he suffered? Has he known great loss? Without doubt.

It is just that this time, it wasn’t just about him. And I feel that this wasn’t the time to speak of his pain again.

I think it would not be outwith his reasoning that the press would indeed concentrate on ‘Harry whining’ or whatever derogatory term they felt like using and I wish, just this once, he’d not said anything about his experience.

He has other platforms to talk of his trauma. Others do not.

ArcaneWireless · 02/09/2023 19:17
Puppies Sleeping GIF

For balance @StormzyinaTCup

Princessfluffy · 02/09/2023 19:18

I think he should handover Invictus to William or to another celebrity.
He is unhelpful to the cause now as he just distracts from it. And as for the Taliban kill count....

pilates · 02/09/2023 19:29

I’ll speak for myself here (but I’m sure I’m not alone) in that the ensuing pile ons or bun fights aren’t what we come on threads for.
^
No, I don’t but I think others do. It’s like their day isn’t complete without it.

Samcro · 02/09/2023 19:37

Princessfluffy · 02/09/2023 19:18

I think he should handover Invictus to William or to another celebrity.
He is unhelpful to the cause now as he just distracts from it. And as for the Taliban kill count....

Not William after the football stuff
why should he stop doing it, it’s not his fault people rip him apart all the time

Samcro · 02/09/2023 19:39

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 18:59

Thank you @unbelieveable22 it was all rather needless, people think all boarding schools are like eton or that someones life follows a clear path and fits neatly into a specific box.

Was going to reply earlier then dc called me.
people don’t seem to realise that councils sometimes fund boarding school places.

Princessfluffy · 02/09/2023 19:51

Harry is no longer the right person for Invictus as it's all about Harry now.
In my opinion Harry needs to consider whether he is lifting a cause up or dragging it down.

unbelieveable22 · 02/09/2023 19:52

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 18:59

Thank you @unbelieveable22 it was all rather needless, people think all boarding schools are like eton or that someones life follows a clear path and fits neatly into a specific box.

No problem. @Samcro has just posted what I was going to say. Not all boarding schools are like Eton, sometimes it is the only choice.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 20:02

Princessfluffy · 02/09/2023 19:18

I think he should handover Invictus to William or to another celebrity.
He is unhelpful to the cause now as he just distracts from it. And as for the Taliban kill count....

Well that's because papers like the Sun are making it all about them. And him, but mostly them.

Roussette · 02/09/2023 20:22

Princessfluffy · 02/09/2023 19:51

Harry is no longer the right person for Invictus as it's all about Harry now.
In my opinion Harry needs to consider whether he is lifting a cause up or dragging it down.

I think he is doing great.

So do others.

Roussette · 02/09/2023 20:23

pilates · 02/09/2023 19:29

I’ll speak for myself here (but I’m sure I’m not alone) in that the ensuing pile ons or bun fights aren’t what we come on threads for.
^
No, I don’t but I think others do. It’s like their day isn’t complete without it.

Yes. It's a big shame isn't it.

We can disagree without PA's like I've seen on here.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/09/2023 20:24

Is he in pain? Has he suffered? Has he known great loss? Without doubt

It is just that this time, it wasn’t just about him. And I feel that this wasn’t the time to speak of his pain again

I think it would not be outwith his reasoning that the press would indeed concentrate on ‘Harry whining’ or whatever derogatory term they felt like using and I wish, just this once, he’d not said anything about his experience

He has other platforms to talk of his trauma. Others do not

Beatifully put, ArcaneWireless

Mylovelygreendress · 02/09/2023 20:26

ArcaneWireless · 02/09/2023 19:15

To be fair, we are oft asked by MNHQ not to engage - no matter how unfair things are with regards to objectionable posts or personal attacks but to report instead.

Recently I’ve been put off doing that too.

It doesn’t mean to say that we are all sat here thinking that every post should stand or that personal attacks are the way to go. They aren’t.

I’ll speak for myself here (but I’m sure I’m not alone) in that the ensuing pile ons or bun fights aren’t what we come on threads for.

As for missing some posts? I do this frequently. I am on MN to desperately wind down after a shift. I don’t see every post and I confess to missing great swathes of fast moving threads. If they appear in active, I might have a look in. If it is interesting and I’m not too knackered, I’ll maybe manage to read more. More often than not, I’m hanging out of my arse, having microsleeps and big ones and being pulled in every direction.

I often don’t have the time or the inclination to keep scrolling back if the same things are being said.

I am a veteran. I too found it a pity that the press went in on Harry’s comment. Not his fault granted but his story has been told a few times recently and I feel it took the spotlight away from those it should have been shining on.

Is he in pain? Has he suffered? Has he known great loss? Without doubt.

It is just that this time, it wasn’t just about him. And I feel that this wasn’t the time to speak of his pain again.

I think it would not be outwith his reasoning that the press would indeed concentrate on ‘Harry whining’ or whatever derogatory term they felt like using and I wish, just this once, he’d not said anything about his experience.

He has other platforms to talk of his trauma. Others do not.

I agree with you . I haven’t watched the whole series yet but when I heard Harry mention his late Mum AGAIN I thought please no ! No one is disputing his loss but this was supposed to be about injured veterans not Harry . It’s as if he can’t help himself .

Samcro · 02/09/2023 20:45

Why shouldn’t he mention his mum.
it seems he isn’t allowed to talk about anything. She was his mother, she died suddenly. Good on him for mentioning her. The RF can’t air brush her out.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 20:51

Its a documentary about Invictus, why he did this is a part of his journey as founder and connects him to this cause. Plenty of people will appreciate it and think its appropriate and some people, especially those who have been telling him to shut up for 3 years, won't.