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Mylovelygreendress · 02/09/2023 20:54

I am not saying he can’t talk about his Mum but I don’t think this was the right time . This series is supposed to be about wounded veterans .
By - yet again - talking about his Mum and saying he had no support ( completely contradicting what he has said previously), it was inevitable that the media would pick up on that rather than the truly inspiring bravery of often horrifically wounded veterans.

MrsFinkelstein · 02/09/2023 20:58

StormzyinaTCup · 02/09/2023 16:40

Slight derail but as a PP linked it I'm going to comment - that's a very unfortunate picture of PH at Beyoncé's concert that features in the Sun. I assume there are better pics than that out there and the Sun has picked the worst? I saw Beyoncé in London in June and she was fab, everyone was having the best time and I'd have been a bit embarrassed if I was there with someone who had a face like that!

<wanders off to check other sources>

Apologies for joining in the mild derailment, but I hadn't seen the photo you were talking about, and now I've seen it everywhere for the last 2 hrs.

It's a highly unfortunate photo 🙈

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 21:01

The series is about Invictus, and he is the founder and a veteran who suffered trauma. It isn't just about physical injuries. There are vets at Invictus who suffer mental health issues without any physical issues, and some who have chronic illnesses.
the goal posts are always shifting for what Harry and Meghan 'should' be doing. I think really those that dislike them want them to be completely silent and never say a word again. William talks about his Mum all the time, especially when he's doing something about mental health. It's how the charities and projects they support get attention.

Mylovelygreendress · 02/09/2023 21:03

Not for the first time @Iwantcakeeveryday you are missing the point .

Oh well back to my book and glass of wine 🍷

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 21:07

nah I think the one missing the point of the series is you @Mylovelygreendress

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 02/09/2023 21:11

My understanding of what green dress said was that saying he had no support was another criticism of the royal family and that's naturally what the media would jump on rather than talking about Invictus. Although I could be totally wrong!

Samcro · 02/09/2023 21:24

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 21:01

The series is about Invictus, and he is the founder and a veteran who suffered trauma. It isn't just about physical injuries. There are vets at Invictus who suffer mental health issues without any physical issues, and some who have chronic illnesses.
the goal posts are always shifting for what Harry and Meghan 'should' be doing. I think really those that dislike them want them to be completely silent and never say a word again. William talks about his Mum all the time, especially when he's doing something about mental health. It's how the charities and projects they support get attention.

So true
i get fed up with people saying he should not talk about his own trauma.
a parent dying when you were young affects your whole life. You never get to have a grown up relationship with them. You have guilt about silly stuff.
then you have children and that opens up a whole new hurt

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:27

@Samcro I don't think people are saying he should never talk about his trauma but there is a place and a time and he has had plenty of places and times. Maybe this is why some think his presence or rather what he says is overshadowing what the games are really about.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/09/2023 21:29

It's a highly unfortunate photo 🙈

@MrsFinkelstein isn't it! I did find a few others but to be honest they weren't much better. I think probably fair to say he is not a fan😁 (or if he is he has a very strange way of showing it!)

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:32

Maybe he's more in an Invictus mind than party mode at the moment.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 02/09/2023 21:33

Well he didn't say, ' I had no support". Ive corrected this elsewhere by posting the actual things he said. He never said " I had no support' and he never mentioned the rest of his family, other than his mum. His own personal experience is relevant because its part of why he started it, and he is a draw card whether people like it or not. Netflix wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

there seems to be two threads running on the same thing now. This was started about what a particular veteran said but now just seems to be a general one about Invictus. There doesn't need to be two threads surely.

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 02/09/2023 21:34

If I dragged DH to a Beyoncé concert he probably wouldn't look too happy either Grin

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:39

@Iwantcakeeveryday but Invictus is in the title of the thread so I guess that is how threads evolve.

Samcro · 02/09/2023 21:42

This thread was started to bash Harry.

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:42

and you are posting on both so...?

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:44

Samcro · 02/09/2023 21:42

This thread was started to bash Harry.

If it was though , what is actually wrong with that? Is the poster not allowed to do so ? It is just the opposite of threads starting to William bash or to big up Harry? It's what happens.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/09/2023 21:44

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 02/09/2023 21:34

If I dragged DH to a Beyoncé concert he probably wouldn't look too happy either Grin

😁 I'd have chosen to just take my mum, leave DH at home and save paying out on babysitter costs - everyone's a winner!. Life is too short to spend a fab evening with a sour puss.

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:46

I could go through every post in the RF section and say " this thread was started to bash Harry/MM/William/PC/Camilla/Kate". What is the point of that?

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 02/09/2023 21:46

@StormzyinaTCup Exactly! I would be wanting to do my Crazy in Love without DH rolling his eyes

Samcro · 02/09/2023 21:56

Mycatisthebestever · 02/09/2023 21:44

If it was though , what is actually wrong with that? Is the poster not allowed to do so ? It is just the opposite of threads starting to William bash or to big up Harry? It's what happens.

I posted that because people were saying it was about invictus, when imo it was never about that.

FloNightingale · 02/09/2023 22:06

Lunde · 01/09/2023 00:52

Totally - the audacity of standing up in front of former military, who suffered life changing injuries, to whine about your family and your mother. He is meant to be promoting the Invictus charity but just makes it all about himself

He seems to be trapped in this cycle where he is the perpetual victim and not responsible for himself. Whatever "therapies" he is having seem to be making him worse; more self-centred and more stuck in pre-teen mode.

I fully agree with everything you said. The ginger winger just needs to shut up and go find the privacy he supposedly wants.

MrsFinkelstein · 02/09/2023 22:24

@StormzyinaTCup I've now seen a lot of different photos and short video clips and he looks miserable in all of them.

If I knew my DH wasn't a fan I wouldn't buy him a ticket, but take someone I know would enjoy it as much as me. (I'm currently learning the bridge from Cruel Summer off by heart so I can scream/sing it along with my daughter & the crowd when we go see Taylor Swift). My husband & son would not enjoy it so we didn't consider getting them tickets.

But then, concert tickets are an expensive treat for us, and I can't afford to buy tickets that aren't going to be fully appreciated. Long gone are the days of cheap tickets and taking a chance on a band.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 22:38

Again , I went looking.

"My tour of Afghanistan in 2012, flying Apaches, somewhere after that there was an unraveling and the trigger to me was actually returning from Afghanistan. But the stuff that was coming up was from 1997 from the age of 12, losing my mum at such a young age, the trauma that I had I was never really aware of, it was never discussed," Harry said.
He continued, "It was never discussed, I didn't really talk about it and I suppressed it like most youngsters would have done. But when it all came fizzing out, I was bouncing off the walls. I was like, 'What is going on here? I'm now feeling everything as opposed to being numb.' The biggest struggle for me was no one around me really could help."
In episode four, he discusses the trauma of Diana' s death again, saying, "I had that moment in my life where I didn't know about it, but because of the trauma of losing my mom when I was 12, for all those years I had no emotion. I was unable to cry, I was unable to feel."

This is all he says and his mentions of Diana. A few sentences in just two episodes out of 5. It is all related , to the games, to being a veteran etc. How is that making it about him, her ,his trauma, the RF and the little green man on the moon too?

Like I said many times before both H and M have fucked up and probably will fuck up completely on their own, again. So why the need to make shit up, exaggerate , regurgitate headlines as gospel? And some posters really do have form for this, posting made up stuff like "Harry said" and when you read the article there's no actual quote from Harry, but two days later you get "well I read somewhere that Harry said..". And on and on and on it goes.

It's frikking bonkers.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/09/2023 22:53

MrsFinkelstein · 02/09/2023 22:24

@StormzyinaTCup I've now seen a lot of different photos and short video clips and he looks miserable in all of them.

If I knew my DH wasn't a fan I wouldn't buy him a ticket, but take someone I know would enjoy it as much as me. (I'm currently learning the bridge from Cruel Summer off by heart so I can scream/sing it along with my daughter & the crowd when we go see Taylor Swift). My husband & son would not enjoy it so we didn't consider getting them tickets.

But then, concert tickets are an expensive treat for us, and I can't afford to buy tickets that aren't going to be fully appreciated. Long gone are the days of cheap tickets and taking a chance on a band.

Oh snap - we are off to Taylor Swift next year too!!😊. I'm taking DD for her 21st birthday (she thinks I haven't been able to get tickets) and yes to the Cruel Summer bridge, I'm determined to have that down pat beforehand. I'm very much looking forward to it.

It's certainly not like the good old days, ticket prices are so expensive now so definitely falls into the 'special treat' category and it would be a waste of money to buy DH and DS a ticket so, it's going to be a girly night out😊.

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:09

Good god , just been to look and the independent and sky news are showing pics of Harry looking 'grim' at the concert!

Also on the documentary thread a few of the posters asked people not to post anything that was critical as it was to be a positive thread and by most this was abided by , we were also told that there was a more critical thread that was created just for posters of that persuasion, why then have posters come here to complain?

Should we all just go onto the other thread then?