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StormzyinaTCup · 02/09/2023 23:26

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:09

Good god , just been to look and the independent and sky news are showing pics of Harry looking 'grim' at the concert!

Also on the documentary thread a few of the posters asked people not to post anything that was critical as it was to be a positive thread and by most this was abided by , we were also told that there was a more critical thread that was created just for posters of that persuasion, why then have posters come here to complain?

Should we all just go onto the other thread then?

I've not got a Scooby Doo @jeffgoldblum. I've given up trying to work out what and where we are supposed to post🤦‍♀️ (I think there must be some new MN guidelines I'm completely unaware of cos I keep getting it wrong😉). I'm just on here now posting pictures of kittens, talking about Beyoncé, Taylor Swift and Harry's miserable face, it seems to be less controversial and it avoids anyone completely misunderstanding me and labelling me the 'R' word. Can't be doing with that sort of nonsense😁

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 02/09/2023 23:30

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:09

Good god , just been to look and the independent and sky news are showing pics of Harry looking 'grim' at the concert!

Also on the documentary thread a few of the posters asked people not to post anything that was critical as it was to be a positive thread and by most this was abided by , we were also told that there was a more critical thread that was created just for posters of that persuasion, why then have posters come here to complain?

Should we all just go onto the other thread then?

I'm wandering aimlessly

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:33

Ahh well @StormzyinaTCup , yours and @ArcaneWireless giffs add joy to any occasion! , cheers me up 👍, I've no longer got a clue about anything these days !

As Katy Perry says .... you're wrong when you're right , it's black then it's white, we fight we make up! 🤷‍♀️

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:34

@JamieFrasersfurrysporran .... come take my hand , you're a stranger in paradise! 🤣🤣

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:42

Good night all 👍

ArcaneWireless · 02/09/2023 23:56

Time for bed said

Double amputee war hero who inspired Prince Harry to start Invictus 'disagrees' with Duke's claim British press did not cover stories of wounded in Afghanistan as Colonel says his popularity is dwindling with veterans
ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 00:33

I am not saying he can’t talk about his Mum but I don’t think this was the right time .

Within the context of the series, Harry talking about his mum made sense. Gabe talked about his mother, Liz is a mum and talked about the sort of mum she wanted to be to her children, Yuliia’s daughter attended the games because her mother, Yuliia had been captured by the Russians and spoke about what sort of mother, as well as person, Yuliia is.

So many of the veterans had trauma from their childhood experiences - this was mentioned in the documentary. Harry mentioning his mother and the impact his loss is bonding over what many of them had in common - childhood trauma.

As usual, the tabloid media explain next to nothing of this. Indeed they ignore this, and come for Harry as a whiner for mention his mother again.

Btw, in a 5 hour series Harry talking about his mother probably took up one minute at most.

People should watch the series through and then have an opinion. Not just poke at Harry. Those Veterans deserve better.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 00:43

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 22:38

Again , I went looking.

"My tour of Afghanistan in 2012, flying Apaches, somewhere after that there was an unraveling and the trigger to me was actually returning from Afghanistan. But the stuff that was coming up was from 1997 from the age of 12, losing my mum at such a young age, the trauma that I had I was never really aware of, it was never discussed," Harry said.
He continued, "It was never discussed, I didn't really talk about it and I suppressed it like most youngsters would have done. But when it all came fizzing out, I was bouncing off the walls. I was like, 'What is going on here? I'm now feeling everything as opposed to being numb.' The biggest struggle for me was no one around me really could help."
In episode four, he discusses the trauma of Diana' s death again, saying, "I had that moment in my life where I didn't know about it, but because of the trauma of losing my mom when I was 12, for all those years I had no emotion. I was unable to cry, I was unable to feel."

This is all he says and his mentions of Diana. A few sentences in just two episodes out of 5. It is all related , to the games, to being a veteran etc. How is that making it about him, her ,his trauma, the RF and the little green man on the moon too?

Like I said many times before both H and M have fucked up and probably will fuck up completely on their own, again. So why the need to make shit up, exaggerate , regurgitate headlines as gospel? And some posters really do have form for this, posting made up stuff like "Harry said" and when you read the article there's no actual quote from Harry, but two days later you get "well I read somewhere that Harry said..". And on and on and on it goes.

It's frikking bonkers.

I just wrote a similar post but you said it so much better.

Plus, I really need to read all the thread before posting a reply to another poster.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 01:48

MissElinorDashwood · 02/09/2023 11:44

Let’s reframe that tabloid style!

So, basically, murdoch media et al have accused Harry of (1) not acknowledging that the media did report on the returning Veterans, and (2) making it all about himself.

In doing so, the media has

  1. Failed to acknowledge the veterans who put their lives on the line for us
  2. Failed to bring awareness to the Invictus Game’s crucial work in saving the lives of those veterans who were selected because they were the ones most in need of help.
  3. Used the suffering of veterans to prolong their campaign of harassment against Harry and Meghan (and anyone associated to them).
  4. Made it all about themselves.
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In doing so, the media has

  1. Failed to acknowledge the veterans who put their lives on the line for us
  2. Failed to bring awareness to the Invictus Game’s crucial work in saving the lives of those veterans who were selected because they were the ones most in need of help.
  3. Used the suffering of veterans to prolong their campaign of harassment against Harry and Meghan (and anyone associated to them).
  4. Made it all about themselves.

You are right @MissElinorDashwood

The media have made it all about themselves. Harry is the media’s villain as usual.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 03/09/2023 06:01

On a lighter note, those focusing on Harry's grumpy face at Beyonce's concert must have missed the part that is delighting Twitter.

Beyonce:

All my independent women raises your glasses, shake your asses.

Meghan:

Shakes her booty like a woman finally free of made up Protocol!😁

mpsw · 03/09/2023 06:38

I think it's wrong to describe IV as "crucial" because it's reach is so small.

That is not to say the work is not important, but in the context of the difference it makes, it is helping very few (website says 235 in 2022 - I assume that's UK figure - and that that represents a substantial increase on previous years).

Compare that to the 66,000 helped by SSAFA every year (all conflicts, not just recent ones). Or the total number being treated by Combat Stress annually (over 2000). And contextualise by looking at the tens of thousands who served in Afghanistan and Iraq. Then think of those who have served (and been injured physically and mentally) elsewhere - eg Bosnia Kosovo, the Falkland Islands, Northern Ireland, Korea, Cyprus, Kenya

Also, the participants are selected not for greatest need amongst all veterans, but for ability/likelihood of benefit from those who put themselves forward in a limited number of sports/disciplines.

To be clear, I am not saying the Games do not matter and of course they are a Good Thing. But I do not think they should be built up into something beyond what they are.

milveycrohn · 03/09/2023 06:40

tbh Harry DID complain that it was the British Press who leaked the fact he was in Afganistan, whereas it was in fact the Australian and US Press who leaked the story first. This due to someone who recognised PH in Afganistan. I understand that the British Press then contacted the Palace.
Doesn't this continue PH's vendetta against the British Press

mpsw · 03/09/2023 06:45

milveycrohn · 03/09/2023 06:40

tbh Harry DID complain that it was the British Press who leaked the fact he was in Afganistan, whereas it was in fact the Australian and US Press who leaked the story first. This due to someone who recognised PH in Afganistan. I understand that the British Press then contacted the Palace.
Doesn't this continue PH's vendetta against the British Press

Yes I knew it was the Aussie press - as would anyone who read the coverage at the time.

I didn't think he'd tried a Big Lie technique to say it was the Brits on this one, when it was demonstrable that the entire British press had been briefed and played nicely.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 08:12

I think it's wrong to describe IV as "crucial" because it's reach is so small.
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That is not to say the work is not important, but in the context of the difference it makes, it is helping very few (website says 235 in 2022 - I assume that's UK figure - and that that represents a substantial increase on previous years).

I looked up the Invictus Australia website after watching the documentary and it’s much more than the Games. At least it is in Australia. It’s now working in league with the Australian Defence Force. As of 2018, I think.

“INVICTUS GAMES, TEAM AUSTRALIA AND TEAMS AND EVENTS

Is Invictus Australia different from the Invictus Games?

Invictus Australia is more than an event. We support the health and wellbeing of all veterans and their families through sport and recreation, year-round, across the country. Whilst the Invictus Games can shine a spotlight on the sacrifices servicemen and women made serving their country, and their drive to overcome illness and injury, Invictus Australia helps ensure that all veterans can remain active and connected through sport within their local communities without the bright lights of the Games. However, the Invictus Games is an important part of what we do. We support & send 30 plus competitors to each Invictus Games as well as co-host training camps throughout the year. Invictus Australia works with the Australian Defence Force to deliver the national ADF Adaptive Sport Program for veterans who are wounded, injured or ill – including supporting the Australian Invictus Games and Warrior Games Teams. Invictus Australia is responsible for all former–serving competitors, while the Defence Force manages current serving personnel.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/09/2023 09:21

MrsMaxDeWinter · 03/09/2023 06:01

On a lighter note, those focusing on Harry's grumpy face at Beyonce's concert must have missed the part that is delighting Twitter.

Beyonce:

All my independent women raises your glasses, shake your asses.

Meghan:

Shakes her booty like a woman finally free of made up Protocol!😁

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well as we know the British media will go looking for the worst angle when its anything to do with these two, theres plenty of happy footage of Harry enjoying it posted by people who were there. That doesn't suit the 'he's miserable with her' narrative though does it.

JamieFrasersfurrysporran · 03/09/2023 09:25

jeffgoldblum · 02/09/2023 23:34

@JamieFrasersfurrysporran .... come take my hand , you're a stranger in paradise! 🤣🤣

🤣🤣

Samcro · 03/09/2023 09:31

did I miss something? what is it about Harry looking grumpy at a beyonce concert(I would look grumpy at one)

Mylovelygreendress · 03/09/2023 09:43

MrsMaxDeWinter · 03/09/2023 06:01

On a lighter note, those focusing on Harry's grumpy face at Beyonce's concert must have missed the part that is delighting Twitter.

Beyonce:

All my independent women raises your glasses, shake your asses.

Meghan:

Shakes her booty like a woman finally free of made up Protocol!😁

Edited

If only she could get rid of that pesky title !!

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 10:23

Samcro · 03/09/2023 09:31

did I miss something? what is it about Harry looking grumpy at a beyonce concert(I would look grumpy at one)

Dunno.. apparently Doria being there is "creepy". Now that's a head scratcher!

Samcro · 03/09/2023 10:35

how odd. maybe she is a fan.

AuroraCake · 03/09/2023 10:42

Harry is being a man and dragged there. Dora being there is totally normal. Meghan living her best life. It’s a Beyonce concert. Let’s move on.

Mycatisthebestever · 03/09/2023 10:48

I thought yesterday someone said that "this was an Invictus thread " so why would discussion of a Beyonce concert be in here? Is this taking away from the vets and Invictus?

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 10:54

Invictus isn’t in the title. It’s a thread about Harry & the media.

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2023 10:58

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 10:54

Invictus isn’t in the title. It’s a thread about Harry & the media.

I'm lost now tbh. Which thread title?

This thread title is:

Double amputee war hero who inspired Prince Harry to start Invictus 'disagrees' with Duke's claim British press did not cover stories of wounded in Afghanistan as Colonel says his popularity is dwindling with veterans

Mycatisthebestever · 03/09/2023 11:01

ALittleTeawithmilk · 03/09/2023 10:54

Invictus isn’t in the title. It’s a thread about Harry & the media.

You need to scroll up to the title.