Harry loses HRH title

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Harry's 'HRH' has reportedly been removed from his listing on the RF website. Seems about time, really? Odd that Meghan's wasn't removed too, perhaps an oversight? Or are they making the changes gradually in the hope that no-one will notice...

They are not C or D list celebs over here. They are just Harry and Meghan. Again, the only place I ever hear them called C - D list celebs in the US is here in MN from posters who do not live in the US. Actually, the only time I ever even talk about them is when I choose to come here. Strange.

Yes, the New York and Spotify stories made the rounds quickly, but it was gone the next day. Opinion pieces, like in Bloomberg, or say like what Jeremy Clarkson said in The Sun, happen in every newspaper.

I agree with this completely.

So how come he’s never admitted to his own racism when he continued to act racist even after his Nazi costume controversy?

This is like a former ku klux member spouting words on what supposedly defines racism. Harry is the only royal, besides Phillip, who has been caught doing and saying racist things. Are we now supposed to take him seriously on racism just because he married a biracial woman? Is that all it takes to absolve someone from racism? Also, to those who are so eager to defend him, do you also defend him sticking up for lady hussy over the black lady who accused her of racism? Even William’s spokesperson was quick to condemn what she said, and Buckingham palace, but harry clearly didn't think what lady hussy did was a big deal.

They're definitely not A list celebrities is what I'm saying.They don't garner the same level of buzz, excitement and respect like the Clooneys, Meryl Streep, Beyonce and Jay Z, Obamas, or Melinda and Bill Gates do.

That's just the problem isn't it? No one seems to care much in the USA about them as they're hardly talked about. Except for the negative news they've had recently hardly anyone cares about them there to even bother reporting on them.

That's probably just how they like it. An equilibrium.

Good for them.

This is the difference between American media and audiences and British media and audiences then isn't it.

American media and audiences don't want, nor need, to hear about the daily speculation and gossip of the private lives of public or private citizens, unless it affects the public. National media reports about Meghan and Harry on big news stories.

If you think American media talks about the Obamas or Bill and Melina Gates (who do not fall into the celeb category by the way), Beyoncé and JayZ, etc., outside of statements they make or again, big news stories, especially those who fall into the category of celebrity, you'd be wrong.

I think you're trying to fit a British perspective/media style of reporting on American culture and media style, and they're not the same.

A celebrity is a famous person, by definition of the word so I think it does apply to them.

You're joking right? The USA has its own gossip and tabloid press, where do you think TMZ is located? Or the Enquirer? Or page six? How else to explain the popularity of kim
Kardashian and her family? Or Paris Hilton? Britney Spears? Lindsay Lohan?

Regarding the difference with the A list celebrities I mentioned and the Sussexes is they keep things private, and yet they're still famous and highly sought after even when theyre away from the spotlight. I have never heard the Obamas or the Clooneys or Beyonce and Jay Z talk about their family disputes and petty squabbles, have never seen them publicize a therapy session either, or make dramatic statements about near fatal collisions with the press or have any sort of work drama. They generate interest in the work they do and aren't just famous for the sake of being famous (because they were born into the royal family) or because they married someone famous.

Yes exactly. None of them are members of the Royal Family. It's different. And unique.

Some people believe H&M exposing their grievances against their family on Oprah was a public service. I don’t view it that way nor do I think that was their purpose. It looked more like revenge or the consequences for not giving in to blackmail. The comment Meghan made to The Cut about not having signed an NDA was added evidence.

I wonder if they would make the same decision today, with what they have learned.

@MamoruHisaishi

If you're using the 'textbook definition' of celebrity, then you're right , even the British family is considered celebrity in America, whereas they're "above celebrity" in the UK. Funny how this difference can be understood.

Again, what's understood as American media and news, as written, is not the same as American tabloid media. You can't be serious, citing the National Inquirer and TMZ. Americans understand this difference and it doesn't drive their news. They don't conflate the two.

The rest has nothing to do with anything so I won't really bother responding specific to Hay and Meghan, but if you're honestly saying that celebrities don't and have never written about their family squabbles, or talked openly about their work drama, mental health, or drug use, or alcoholism, or therapy, then you're not someone to be taken seriously at all.

There's ZERO memoirs after all about any celebrity or politician ever. Only Spare exists. Also going to challenge you that there aren't celebrities who are only famous for being famous.

I think your opinion is fair. And I agree, some people believe they did the right thing, and some people don't.

I think that since they released Harry & Meghan Netflix and Harry released his memoir they would make the same decision to talk about their experience again.

I think they aren’t in the same category as the Obamas, the Clooney’s or Jay-Z and Beyoncé for most Americans.

Their willingness to overshare will contribute to some seeing them as less serious people. I think those are all people who rarely complain or explain anything about their private lives.

I don't think anyone on this earth think they are anything remotely like the Obamas or Clooneys. I certainly don't. Not for one minute.

A different level, a different category totally.

I see those names mentioned frequently on these threads so I wondered.

I got the impression early on, as they relocated to the US, that they hoped to be in that category.

Those names are probably mentioned frequently because some people, and the popular British media, have pushed the narrative that they're trying to either be in Hollywood, or in politics, every few weeks, and so try to align them with famous people in those areas.

I think it's because these are the Americans most Brits are familiar with, so it seems easiest to try and compare them. But you're right not the same at all.

Scobie and a few friends had proposed political aspirations and/or that Meghan would make a good candidate. The Obama's documentary film(s) were mentioned here occasionally.

I don't think it's going out on a limb to suspect they had some grand ideas about being big players in the humanitarian/philanthropy space when they first left and and also showed intent to "hit the ground running." But of course these endeavors take time.

At least they wouldn’t have shown themselves up to be petty, money grabbing , bitter and lying. They wouldn’t have blown up their family for good and embarrassed themselves. The pair of them have no loyalty or decency.
If they had left quietly and with dignity then set about supporting themselves through actual work, they would have come out of it quite well. Instead they just come across as vengeful and spiteful.

Again, what's understood as American media and news, as written, is not the same as American tabloid media. You can't be serious, citing the National Inquirer and TMZ. Americans understand this difference and it doesn't drive their news. They don't conflate the two.

You can’t seriously be saying that TMZ is not an actual media company though? It has broken some huge stories - mostly celebrity (Prince and Michael Jackson’s deaths, Chris Brown assaulting Rihanna, Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitic outburst etc) but also war crimes and corruption.

Did I miss the Investiture of William Prince of Wales where he gets 'coronated' in said role, as I remember as an 8-year-old being fascinated and collected the stamps and watched live the ceremony on TV where he spoke at length and in what I believe was perfect Welsh having spent a term at the University of Aberystwyth learning it.

Update I didn't because there wasn't.

William, son of King Charles III, was made Prince of Wales on 9 September 2022.There are no plans for a formal investiture, with an emphasis instead on "deepening the trust and respect of the people of Wales."

Profit without honour !

Hmm.

No it’s you who didn't specify you meant tabloid media which is where the daily mail, the sun and the mirror fall into. If you meant non tabloid media the UK has that too, like the Guardian, or the Telegraph.

You act as though Americans are somehow above it all and don't listen to trashy gossip, when tabloid culture does exist there which I gave you examples of. They also have Fox News which spreads their own form of misinformation. And do you really think people from the UK can't tell the difference between the daily mail and the guardian as to what is considered news?

The rest has nothing to do with anything so I won't really bother responding specific to Hay and Meghan, but if you're honestly saying that celebrities don't and have never written about their family squabbles, or talked openly about their work drama, mental health, or drug use, or alcoholism, or therapy, then you're not someone to be taken seriously at all.

I mentioned celebrities like the Obamas, Bill and Melinda Gates, Beyonce and Jay Z, and the Clooneys. They represent a positive image because you rarely hear from them apart from when it has to do with their work. When the video footage of beyonce’s sister leaked of her attacking Jay Z, you didn't hear beyonce or jay z talking about it in interviews or books or a documentary. When Obama’s brother was saying something negative about him to the media, Obama didn't turn it in a public squabble and kept quiet instead. We didn't hear much from the Gates either when they divorced. We also don't know much about Meryl Streep’s personal life or the Clooneys. We hardly hear anything about any work related drama with these celebrities too because theyre professional and know how to work effectively with others. None of them were called bullies by their employees, or were dropped publicly and called ‘effin grifters’ by the companies they worked with due to their laziness and poor productivity. Not even Kim Kardashian has ever been called out for being lazy when it came to her work.

Also there is a big difference between someone talking about their own mental health struggles and actually charging people to watch a ‘therapy’ like session like what harry did. Also none of the A listers mentioned their private parts being frozen in a book or something gross like that.

Yes, they had a wonderful opportunity to do good, but not having their half in, half out, half arsed idea accepted did make them angry and wanting revenge

I don't think it was necessarily that.

But I do think they expected to pull away in a totally different way.

But the start of the pandemic must have scuppered that

(edited to add the bolded bit to the start of the post, to make it a bit clearer what I was on about, as another post appeared whilst I was typing first version)

Of course they're not the same. The Obamas and Clooneys are famous and well known for their work, meanwhile the Sussexes are famous for nothing else but their royal connection. And Meghan working as a former actress doesn't count, hardly anyone knew her back then. She only truly became famous when she married Harry.