Harry loses HRH title

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Harry's 'HRH' has reportedly been removed from his listing on the RF website. Seems about time, really? Odd that Meghan's wasn't removed too, perhaps an oversight? Or are they making the changes gradually in the hope that no-one will notice...

Can I remind you of their own statement issued before they spoke to The Queen. It was clear they had decided why they wanted .
The Queen had other ideas !
And according to H and M’s supporters they never said they wanted privacy .

“The Commonwealth is just the British Empire rebranded” was the silliest and most ignorant thing to say. Membership of the British Empire wasn’t voluntary, it wasn’t an association of equals, and you didn’t get kicked out for being too undemocratic. Not every ex-colony is a member of the Commonwealth and not every member of the Commonwealth was a part of the British Empire. The UK doesn’t station troops in Commonwealth countries in case they ever think of leaving or put down democratic uprisings. There were no Heads of Government meetings when the British Empire was in charge, because the British Empire WAS all of the governments. The objective of the British Empire was colonisation, the objective of the Commonwealth was decolonisation.

The only reason they “ chose” to leave is because they didn’t get their own way regarding the half in/ half out .

I don't think they left because they "didn't get their own way", this cliche is constantly repeated. I think they wanted to leave because they were unhappy and they offered a compromise deal, rather than leaving the royals in the lurch. The RF chose not to negotiate with them and so they left. If you're trying to protect yourself and work for people that didn't care about your mental health or who won't even compromise not even half way with you, you would leave, wouldn't you? Perfectly fucking reasonable IMO.

Their attitude to the Commonwealth is one of the more slippery aspects of H and M's 'truth'. When the Queen appointed them to roles in it they were so honoured etc. Meghan had Commonwealth flowers embroidered all over her wedding train.
Next thing it is Empire 2.0. They can't even keep their own stories straight.

It came across as really spiteful, like “fine I never liked your stupid Commonwealth anyway”

😂😂😂

The same erroneous opinions held by some posters spring up on here quite regularly in regard to Empire 2.0.

The people whose opinion these posters are trying to negate are:

David Adetayo Olusoga OBE (born January 1970) is a British historian, writer, broadcaster, presenter and film-maker. He is Professor of Public History at the University of Manchester. He has presented historical documentaries on the BBC and contributed to The One Show and The Guardian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
David Olusoga - Wikipedia

This is the other:

Afua Hirsch (born 1981)[1] is a British writer and broadcaster. She has worked as a journalist for The Guardian newspaper, and was the Social Affairs and Education Editor for Sky News from 2014 until 2017. She is the author of the 2018 book Brit(ish): On Race, Identity and Belonging, receiving a Jerwood Award while writing it.

Perhaps it’s because I’m from a former British Colony it’s easier for me to understand the comparison of Commonwealth to Empire 2.0.

I would not have put it so elegantly. My more inelegant description is ‘Groundhogs Day’.
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This is what I posted:

“The Commonwealth is just the British Empire rebranded” was the silliest and most ignorant thing to say. Membership of the British Empire wasn’t voluntary, it wasn’t an association of equals, and you didn’t get kicked out for being too undemocratic. Not every ex-colony is a member of the Commonwealth and not every member of the Commonwealth was a part of the British Empire. The UK doesn’t station troops in Commonwealth countries in case they ever think of leaving or put down democratic uprisings. There were no Heads of Government meetings when the British Empire was in charge, because the British Empire WAS all of the governments. The objective of the British Empire was colonisation, the objective of the Commonwealth was decolonisation.

Would be good to know what substantive points you disagree with.

Plenty of people with lots of letters after their names would laugh out loud at the suggestion Australia is an oppressed colony of the Commonwealth Empire that is not allowed to leave or choose who governs it. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy though so I won’t go there.

The Commonwealth is supposed to be a voluntary orgsnisation unlike the monarchy which is forced upon us.

Is that why Australians were banned from voting in the referendum in 1999 or why Matt Thistlethwaite, Assistant Minister for the Republic of Australia, does not exist?

I don’t remember Barbados being tied up and prevented from leaving.

Agreed. Meghan had to leave because of her mental health. She and the children were being pilloried in the media, why would Harry not want to protect his wife and children. They were willing to compromise, the RF were not. People say that refusal to compromise was driven by the Queen but I think it was more likely to have been William. Harry intimated in the NF doc that William was jealous of H&M's success and popularity in Australia.

I am not criticising the speakers in the Netflix program. I am just pointing out the absolute 180 degree flip in opinion from Harry and Meghan.

Yes because we all know that harry is the bastion of truth and never lies, and he definitely doesn't have a poor recollection of events that have happened in the past.

Biggest irony is that the Sussexes continue to be pilloried in the media, not only from the UK but US media as well.

That's strange. I haven't seen much on H&M at all lately. William and WWC yes.

I’ve written 2 really long posts in response to your question but my computer keeps reloading.

So briefly, it wasn’t until 1986 that the Australia act was passed in the UK by the British government giving up all rights to make laws in regard to Australia. Since federation in 1901, British power had been diminishing but it wasn’t until 1986 that all power was ceded. That was well after the establishment of the Commonwealth of Nations.

So I think this indicates that Empire was still present in an ever weakening form long after the Commonwealth was established. I can’t rewrite all I’ve written for a third time in explanation so I’m going to leave it there.

We don't know that he has a poor recollection of anything. All we know is that the RF seems to disagree with some of his recollection of events. That's his word against theirs. I just think it's odd that some people are apparently so keen to believe the racist, misogynist sexual abuser protecting RF over Harry and Meghan.

Harry has stated that they aren’t racist after all remember?

I guess you must have missed the car chase incident in New York that became a way to mock the sussexes and the Spotify controversy. I recall the pro Sussex posters at the time were claiming that there was a world wide conspiracy against the sussexes by the media to bring them down. 😂😂😂 Will these same posters say the same about William? Or do their sympathies only extend to the sussexes when it comes to media ‘attacks’?

Well he couldn’t remember where he was when his great grandmother died ! A fairly momentous event to forget.

Hmm let me think, Harry claimed in the Oprah interview that he never went on bike rides with his dad as a child, despite photos showing him riding on a bike with Charles as a kid.

Harry directly contradicted himself in his book ‘spare’ and his statement to court in his lawsuit against The Sun. Even the judge called him out on it.

Not to mention him ‘backtracking’ on his racism
claim and stating that it wasn't racism regarding the question about the baby’s skin colour.

There's many more incidents where proof was revealed, objective facts were brought out that went against harry’s ‘truths’. I'm not going to mention them. But they've been brought up already numerous times here in this forum.

He didn't. He just said that was not the words they used. He said, it is unconscious bias, but if once you learn the harm you continue with it, that this is racist. He left it to the audience to hear the story and come to their own conclusions about it.

I live in the US. The only time I hear about H & M is when the Murdoch tabloids or Fox News mentions them. And I rarely watch those and never on purpose,.or on MN.

True…theyre not that popular over there as I heard they're considered more C - D list than A list celebrities in the US. Although the near car crash incident and the Spotify deal were reported in the mainstream media, not just in Murdoch tabloids/Fox News. Bloomberg news for one had quite a negative article on how they lost their Spotify deal.

What exactly does the Commonwealth do in this day and age post death of QE other than provide a fairly random collection of nation states that had an enforced relationship with the UK over 70 years ago for the most part, and a glamorous backdrop for creating a sense of Royal purpose ? Soft power and vague intangibles and stuff that would happen anyway are not an answer.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/17/commonwealth-british-empire-britain-black-brown-people