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Grifters indeed! Can we have a lift Joe?

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ThePoshUns · 20/07/2023 06:57

H&M asked if they could have a lift home on AF1 after HMQs funeral.
Environmentally friendly sure, but makes them look grabby and entitled again. Makes for a good story though.

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StormzyinaTCup · 20/07/2023 15:18

Roussette · 20/07/2023 14:11

I can't believe people have bought into this story... why on earth would he want to catch a flight that is 2,500 miles out of his way.

Who better to cadge a lift from if you think you may have a visa re-entry issue😁

I wonder if they would have asked Trump for a lift!?!?😁

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/07/2023 15:31

Iwantcakeeveryday · 20/07/2023 14:26

Anyone catching a lift pays? What does that even mean? You can’t just buy tickets. The Biden’s would be the ones on the hook for taking personal guests, not the guests.

Have you not been reading? The only person who doesn't pay, is the president. If he allows grandchildren to travel on it, he has to personally pay for that. Even when arranged, you do not fly on it on the taxpayers dime. That's what it means.

This. The White House staff would bill the passengers, unless Mr. Biden told them he would personally pay.

People don't realize that at the White House, the family pays for its own groceries, toothpaste, etc. for their private rooms and meals and personal entertaining. They are invoiced once a month.

State dinners and official entertaining is paid by the government but personal expenses are as they would be in a private home.

I read an old book called "Upstairs at the White House" by the "chief usher," which is the person in charge of the house, to whom all the butlers/chefs/cleaners/decorators etc report. It was quite interesting.

wordler · 20/07/2023 15:32

The problem Harry and Meghan have now is that - partly through some of their own actions and behaviour - lots of crazy stories about them are just about believable.

Leaves them very vulnerable to anyone with a grudge or a simple desire to make money off them to invent or exaggerate stories about them.

They need better advisors - that whole New York car chase fiasco was very badly managed from beginning to end. And made much worse for them by releasing that ridiculous statement.

jeffgoldblum · 20/07/2023 15:34

@wordler , indeed ! , sadly this story is now very much believable.

Ridemeginger · 20/07/2023 15:42

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/07/2023 15:15

I thought the divorce arose because of the circumstances of her birth and childhood and the husband claiming fraud? It is amusing though that he dropped his title ages ago, but she uses it.

I guess someone has to!

She was an abused child, forced to pretend to be a boy by her abusive parents, because she had a genital abnormality - that was sorted out with surgery her grandmother paid for when she grew up. Her lovely ex and his brother blackmailed her family to give up some of her family assets (she being the wealthy one in the relationship) or risk them exposing this "scandal" by laying false claims to the press that she'd had a sex change. Her ex was violent towards her. If she's kept the title as a 2 fingers up to a violent, abusive misogynist, good for her. The Campbell family males have a history of marrying wealthy women to prop up their ailing coffers, and then shitting on them (see Margaret Campbell's treatment).

There's no need for posts like this. Criticise her all you like for her work (I don't particularly like her), but being snide to an already abused woman for entering an abusive marriage -and getting out of it quickly - when very young, is pathetic.

Mylovelygreendress · 20/07/2023 15:55

Ridemeginger · 20/07/2023 15:42

She was an abused child, forced to pretend to be a boy by her abusive parents, because she had a genital abnormality - that was sorted out with surgery her grandmother paid for when she grew up. Her lovely ex and his brother blackmailed her family to give up some of her family assets (she being the wealthy one in the relationship) or risk them exposing this "scandal" by laying false claims to the press that she'd had a sex change. Her ex was violent towards her. If she's kept the title as a 2 fingers up to a violent, abusive misogynist, good for her. The Campbell family males have a history of marrying wealthy women to prop up their ailing coffers, and then shitting on them (see Margaret Campbell's treatment).

There's no need for posts like this. Criticise her all you like for her work (I don't particularly like her), but being snide to an already abused woman for entering an abusive marriage -and getting out of it quickly - when very young, is pathetic.

Well said👏👏

Roussette · 20/07/2023 16:03

I imagine Lady CC is popular with some because she has a youtube channel knocking H&M.

Samcro · 20/07/2023 16:06

Ridemeginger · 20/07/2023 15:42

She was an abused child, forced to pretend to be a boy by her abusive parents, because she had a genital abnormality - that was sorted out with surgery her grandmother paid for when she grew up. Her lovely ex and his brother blackmailed her family to give up some of her family assets (she being the wealthy one in the relationship) or risk them exposing this "scandal" by laying false claims to the press that she'd had a sex change. Her ex was violent towards her. If she's kept the title as a 2 fingers up to a violent, abusive misogynist, good for her. The Campbell family males have a history of marrying wealthy women to prop up their ailing coffers, and then shitting on them (see Margaret Campbell's treatment).

There's no need for posts like this. Criticise her all you like for her work (I don't particularly like her), but being snide to an already abused woman for entering an abusive marriage -and getting out of it quickly - when very young, is pathetic.

that is sad.
but the still using the mans title is odd. it has his actual name in it.
and before someone says it. its not the same as H&M using their titles. H is a prince by birth and M is married to him.

jeffgoldblum · 20/07/2023 16:09

I could be wrong but I'm sure she addressed why she kept the name?
I think it was some kind of revenge ( too strong a word but can't think of an appropriate one) .

potniatheron · 20/07/2023 16:19

Samcro · 20/07/2023 16:06

that is sad.
but the still using the mans title is odd. it has his actual name in it.
and before someone says it. its not the same as H&M using their titles. H is a prince by birth and M is married to him.

It is the technically correct way of using her title, apparently. You use it with the man’s name.

I understand why Lady C uses her title, she supports the aristocracy and is very much a part of that world. I don’t think Megan needs her title though. Her Netflix documentary explained how the British RF is based on and upholds racism and colonialism, both of which she is against.

Megan was a well respected actor and activist before she ever met Harry and I think she’s bigger than the Sussex title. Arguably she’s more famous than him anyway.

i think in the long term she’ll trade mostly under her Megan Markle name, especially if she gets further into US politics.

Samcro · 20/07/2023 16:21

ahh
so LCC good. M bad.
what a surprise.

Spectre8 · 20/07/2023 16:27

Oh what convenient timing...news breaks about Dan W who is closely linked to the royals esp william and ta da front page headline is about some potential bs news they made up or something that really doesn't matter about H&M ...classic look over here not there distraction.

I mean who fucking cares if they did ask. Lots of ppl ask for flight upgrades, discounts and ao on everyday I mean seriously its not a cf thing to so or aibu. Its just someone asking...sometimes u might get told yes. No harm in asking so long as how you asked is polite and you accept the response

AliceOlive · 20/07/2023 16:30

So it’s made up. Or it’s because of Wooten. Or if it’s not made up it’s totally normal.

jeffgoldblum · 20/07/2023 16:31

Samcro · 20/07/2023 16:21

ahh
so LCC good. M bad.
what a surprise.

How did you get this from that post?
Totally not what the poster said at all !

Nomoreheroics · 20/07/2023 16:34

Megan was a well respected actor and activist before she ever met Harry and I think she’s bigger than the Sussex title. Arguably she’s more famous than him anyway.

Famous for what? Most people had never heard of her. Suits was a very minor series in the U.K. that wasn’t well known.

thecatsthecats · 20/07/2023 16:41

Roussette · 20/07/2023 14:11

I can't believe people have bought into this story... why on earth would he want to catch a flight that is 2,500 miles out of his way.

I have no Idea whether it's true or not, but my primary assumption would be that Harry wanted the security if it were true.

You don't get much more secure than travelling with POTUS.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/07/2023 16:42

potniatheron · 20/07/2023 16:19

It is the technically correct way of using her title, apparently. You use it with the man’s name.

I understand why Lady C uses her title, she supports the aristocracy and is very much a part of that world. I don’t think Megan needs her title though. Her Netflix documentary explained how the British RF is based on and upholds racism and colonialism, both of which she is against.

Megan was a well respected actor and activist before she ever met Harry and I think she’s bigger than the Sussex title. Arguably she’s more famous than him anyway.

i think in the long term she’ll trade mostly under her Megan Markle name, especially if she gets further into US politics.

No she won't.

In part because her name is not Megan, but Meghan.

As to @Samcro --- of course Lady CC is a good egg around here, and not Meghan! And of course she can use her title, but Meghan can't!

More importantly, you know by now surely that we should have consideration for the abusive treatment, mental health and other struggles etc that everyone in the world has faced, including Dan Wootton and Lady Colin Campbell.

It's just Meghan who can be trashed with impunity.

wordler · 20/07/2023 16:46

thecatsthecats · 20/07/2023 16:41

I have no Idea whether it's true or not, but my primary assumption would be that Harry wanted the security if it were true.

You don't get much more secure than travelling with POTUS.

The optics would have been amazing for Brand Sussex - it could have been spun as the Bidens inviting them to fly back together which implies they are important enough to be courted by the most influential head of state in the world.

The plane going to Washington would also not be an inconvenience because it couls be spun as the Sussexes spending a couple of days networking with the political elite in DC.

I don’t necessarily believe this story but if it had happened it would have been a huge publicity coup for them.

BethDuttonsTwin · 20/07/2023 16:46

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/07/2023 10:43

It's pretty clear what happened isn't it?

Meghan did not want, and does not want her batshit sister in her life. They have not seen each since 2008.

She was probably worried that if Thomas met Harry, he could not be trusted not to blab to Samantha who by then was in the press every other day talking about her.

I think she believed that she could contain the interaction between Thomas and Harry to just the wedding, but even that, Samantha managed to fuck up for her with that asinine pap photo stunt. Then when the rift grew between Meghan and her father, Samantha encouraged him to make it all public, which obviously made mending things difficult. He then started to blackmail her through the press, and was used by people like Dan Wootton and Piers Morgan who have an axe to grind with Meghan.

Add to that, Thomas then began to appear on conspiracy blogs that speculate on Meghan's children, and on which Samantha is a regular guest, and you can understand why Meghan can't trust her father.

He has chosen his two other children over her.

And that's his right.

She has chosen to walk away.

Which is her right.

Although I heartily tire of your constant cries of “racism!” @MrsMaxDeWinter i actually think you’re close to the reality of what happened with this post. I think Meghan thought she could keep it all under control at least till they were safely up the aisle but completely and understandably underestimated the might of the media and how much her pathologically jealous sister’s questionable tales would be promoted.

my issues with Meghan, were always that she seems to constantly be acting, and it’s all so sugary and soap opera-ish. Cringe. Having read your post though, I am considering why she’s acting all the time, and really for the first time seeing all the plates she’s been having to keep spinning since day one of being with “H”. Who could come across as genuine when they are indeed having to hide and control so much?

Serenster · 20/07/2023 16:46

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/07/2023 14:29

Poster looks thoughtfully at Justice Matthew Nicklin's ruling in July 2022 that the article in question, headlined:

“Exclusive: How Prince Harry tried to keep his legal fight with the government over police bodyguards a secret… then – just minutes after the story broke – his PR machine tried to put a positive spin on the dispute.”

... was indeed defamatory, and not, as argued by the Mail's lawyers, honest opinion.

A correct ruling because the story states a number of statements as fact, and not just opinion.

The only outstanding issues are whether it was accurate, or in the public interest. So basically whether the Mail has a defence to an article already found to be defamatory, and not opinion.

Thanks.

Firstly, the trial before Justice Nicklin was over a preliminary issue as to whether the article in issue was capable of being defamatory (this normal in defamation cases, as if the answer is no, the case ends there and then). That was the only issue being considered. Nicklin J ruled that it was capable of being defamatory.

In his judgement, in relation to the passages complained of by Prince Harry, Nicklin J held that: “The defamatory flavour is supplied by the criticism. Although I have found this criticism to be an expression of an opinion, it is nevertheless defamatory at common law”…

ANL has not presented their defence, actually. That happens in the actual trial, which hasn’t happened yet. You are correct though, they stated in their submissions that their defence will be honest opinion under the Defamation Act 2013. ANL intend to argue that the Mail on Sunday assistant editor was approaching the points in her piece as an “honest commentator”.

So this case is most definitely about the opinions expressed by ANL. Facts are involved in the case as well, as is almost always the case in defamation. But when you said Harry’s not based a lawsuit on opinions - well, he is in this case. As the judge explained in his judgment, the sting of the article is in the opinions expressed about Harry’s motivations here.

😀

Howsimplywonderful · 20/07/2023 16:50

@Serenster

thank you 🙏

MrsMaxDeWinter · 20/07/2023 16:51

Serenster · 20/07/2023 16:46

Firstly, the trial before Justice Nicklin was over a preliminary issue as to whether the article in issue was capable of being defamatory (this normal in defamation cases, as if the answer is no, the case ends there and then). That was the only issue being considered. Nicklin J ruled that it was capable of being defamatory.

In his judgement, in relation to the passages complained of by Prince Harry, Nicklin J held that: “The defamatory flavour is supplied by the criticism. Although I have found this criticism to be an expression of an opinion, it is nevertheless defamatory at common law”…

ANL has not presented their defence, actually. That happens in the actual trial, which hasn’t happened yet. You are correct though, they stated in their submissions that their defence will be honest opinion under the Defamation Act 2013. ANL intend to argue that the Mail on Sunday assistant editor was approaching the points in her piece as an “honest commentator”.

So this case is most definitely about the opinions expressed by ANL. Facts are involved in the case as well, as is almost always the case in defamation. But when you said Harry’s not based a lawsuit on opinions - well, he is in this case. As the judge explained in his judgment, the sting of the article is in the opinions expressed about Harry’s motivations here.

😀

Thank you for that post which is more accurate than your first posts on this matter.

LadyMuckingabout · 20/07/2023 16:52

There was some mention on here (not rf) about askers and non-askers. Clearly Harry is an asker (witness Lion King evidence) and, as people have said, what’s wrong with that? People can only say no. BUT he seems to lack any kind of filter and can’t read the room. It puts people in an embarrassing position, not least the POTUS !

Btw I saw that the leak may have come from the White House, and was a “stop bugging us” warning: Joe and Jill do not want to be besties with them.

Serenster · 20/07/2023 16:57

Thank you for that post which is more accurate than your first posts on this matter.

Wow. 🤣

Howsimplywonderful · 20/07/2023 17:01

@Serenster

I know 🤣🤣🤣

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