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Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview

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RYGO · 30/06/2023 22:19

While they were as concerned as anyone about not getting into a tit-for-tat with Harry and Meghan, William and Kate were clear which side of the debate they were on. “They wanted it toughened up a bit,” said the insider. “They were both of one mind that we needed something that said that the institution did not accept a lot of what had been said.

“He said, ‘It is really important that you guys come up with the right way of making sure that we are saying that this does not stand.’ She was certainly right behind him on it.”

While some have attributed “recollections may vary” to Alderton, more than one source has said that the author was in fact Jean-Christophe Gray, William’s new private secretary, who had been in post for less than three weeks. At least two senior officials in other households were against its inclusion, because they feared that it would rile Harry and Meghan. But once the phrase had been added to the draft, it was — according to another source — the Duchess of Cambridge who pressed home the argument that it should remain. “It was Kate who clearly made the point, ‘History will judge this statement and unless this phrase or a phrase like it is included, everything that they have said will be taken as true.’ ”

This was, said the source, yet another example of how Kate is often far steelier than she appears. The toughened-up draft went to Buckingham Palace for approval, and came back a couple of hours later. The Queen had said yes.

The four-sentence statement was eventually released just before 5.30pm on Tuesday. It said, “The whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan. The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. While some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately. Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members.”

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SidekickSylvia · 30/06/2023 22:34

I think they were right to leave the 'recollections may vary' line in their statement. It was just enough - without calling H and M liars - to rebut their claims. I think it has been a big mistake to make an enemy of Kate. Charles, and to a lesser extent William would still possibly consider forgiving Harry, but I think Kate is a much stronger character and I don't think you'd have the chance to fool her twice.

Nightlystroll · 30/06/2023 22:41

Aw, I always thought the queen wrote that. But it's nice there was a meeting of minds between the old queen and the queen of the future.

PrincessTigger · 30/06/2023 23:25

Kate is very canny then because the line has become iconic

MamoruHisaishi · 01/07/2023 06:07

Kate has often been criticized as someone having no agency in her own life, who allows William or the palace or the media to walk all over her. Having gone through media harrassment and attacks from the Sussexes and their fans, to be able to come through it all in a much better position shows her inner strength and her ability to navigate the media minefield. This also shows that, contrast to the rumours about the cheating and state of their marriage, the Wales clearly work together as a partnership. I'm glad that she is recognised as an asset to the monarchy.

cobicat · 01/07/2023 07:38

Kate is clearly very powerful behind the scenes. She's a huge asset to the RF - probably the biggest asset they have in PR terms.

Samcro · 01/07/2023 07:47

it does show that a lot of what has been said about her is mots probably true.

sashagabadon · 01/07/2023 07:55

Recollections may vary has stood the test of time certainly and proved to be absolutely true. It’s what a lot of america now think , not just the Brits!

sashagabadon · 01/07/2023 07:57

Agree Kate is a massive asset to RF. they are very lucky to have her and her sensible grounded non drama family.

Samcro · 01/07/2023 08:09

I assume the palace helped write this

stillavid · 01/07/2023 08:28

In the times excerpt it names the person who actually wrote the 'recollections may vary' line. It wasn't actually Kate but a member of staff.

Embelline · 01/07/2023 08:32

@stillavid what’s being said here is that Kate was insistent that the line remain rather than being removed to soften to statement

cobicat · 01/07/2023 08:32

I assume the palace helped write this

Why? Just because Kate comes out of it well? Or for some other reason? I've read the Times piece, it's very dry, with lots of boring details about various courtiers.

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 01/07/2023 08:36

It’s a great line, whoever it came from. It reminds me of Alan Clark’s ‘economical with the actualite.’

stillavid · 01/07/2023 08:39

I know that @Embelline , I should have clarfied I was replying to @samcro.

Samcro · 01/07/2023 08:45

sorry I really don't get why this book will be any truer than the ones that the "other side" have "helped" write.

Ohpleeeease · 01/07/2023 09:05

Samcro · Today 08:45
sorry I really don't get why this book will be any truer than the ones that the "other side" have "helped" write.

It isn’t a new book, @Samcro, it’s an addition to the paperback version. It was well received at the time as being written by a credible journalist, it’s not a hatchet job. There were threads about it when it came out. No-one has mentioned “sides”.

MarcelProust · 01/07/2023 09:33

Lowe is not a 'credible journalist'. He reported on the bullying, but never said a word about how Harry and Meghan submitted a 25 page report on the bullying claims.

Funny he should wait till the queen dies before submitting this 'addition'.

It looks to me like the beginnings of portraying Kate as a catty mean girl. A departure from the fluffy, nice princess.

From briefings of her finding it the hardest thing to walk alongside Meghan (but nothing about Andrew?), deliberately stealing the limelight from Camilla with an impromptu photoshoot, and several other weird headlines. The press usually stays very quiet about the Middleton deals, but I did find the taxpayer business going under story more prominent than usual - with one article even saying Kate is broke (implying without William).

While the Anti H&M brigade will see this as a smite at the Sussexes, all I'm seeing is the fairy sweet princess narrative being slowly smudged up.

sashagabadon · 01/07/2023 09:38

It’s just another version of “two sides to every story” or the Profumo affair I think Christine keeler or Mandy rice David quote “well he would say that wouldn’t he”

it’s the royal version!!

JADS · 01/07/2023 09:44

I thought that statement was perfect and the 'recollections may vary' line has become iconic. I take it with a pinch of salt that Kate was so keen to keep it in, but my take away of the OW interview was that it was especially unkind to her, so I won't be surprised if she did want to fight back.

cobicat · 01/07/2023 10:00

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sashagabadon · 01/07/2023 10:36

Kate has been portrayed in the past ( Hilary mantel ) as a plastic doll with no thoughts of her own so I agree this shows her ( if true) as her own person and an equal to William and with emotional intelligence and yes absolutely not a walk over and clearly a great judge of character too. Everything we would want a future queen to be.

MissTrip82 · 01/07/2023 12:27

I thought it was a very truthful line. I read it as meaning that just as in every family, people have different perspectives.

My sister and I would describe our father entirely differently. He wouldn’t seem recognisable. Neither of us is lying. It has always surprised me that so many feel incredulous that this could happen and that perhaps nobody is an evil cold-faced liar.

AliceOlive · 01/07/2023 12:52

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Standing up for your family and insisting they stand firm when publicly attacked is not catty nor mean.

upinaballoon · 01/07/2023 13:22

In anyone's family, anything that happened in the past would have all of them recollecting differently. (Ask a set of district councillors about a topic that they discussed 5 years ago. The person who took the minutes will have the nearest to true recollection but even that might be awry.) 'Recollections may vary' was a good phrase. At the time I thought, and still do, that it covered everything that was said in the Oprah interview, not only the 'colour of Archie' topic. Whoever coined it did well. Kate could have made a big statement but it's not what she usually does about family things so it was wise to leave the phrase in, imo.

I would like to pick nits about the crying at the dress fitting. I think that in the Oprah interview Meghan said that they both cried, but I do not remember her clarifying when. Clarification wasn't a great point of that interview. My theory on it is that both women were a bit wrung out for different reasons, nothing to do with the other one. Anxious M was a bit snappy at the fitting. Post-baby K wept a bit. Apparently K sent flowers later- friendly? I think so. M then cried. It might not have been like that but it could well have been. Headlines can shriek that really Kate made Meghan cry, not the other way around, but that is all far too simplistic. I think Oprah very much had her own agenda. Whether Meghan did as much or whether she was a bit used by Oprah, I will never know.