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Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview

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RYGO · 30/06/2023 22:19

While they were as concerned as anyone about not getting into a tit-for-tat with Harry and Meghan, William and Kate were clear which side of the debate they were on. “They wanted it toughened up a bit,” said the insider. “They were both of one mind that we needed something that said that the institution did not accept a lot of what had been said.

“He said, ‘It is really important that you guys come up with the right way of making sure that we are saying that this does not stand.’ She was certainly right behind him on it.”

While some have attributed “recollections may vary” to Alderton, more than one source has said that the author was in fact Jean-Christophe Gray, William’s new private secretary, who had been in post for less than three weeks. At least two senior officials in other households were against its inclusion, because they feared that it would rile Harry and Meghan. But once the phrase had been added to the draft, it was — according to another source — the Duchess of Cambridge who pressed home the argument that it should remain. “It was Kate who clearly made the point, ‘History will judge this statement and unless this phrase or a phrase like it is included, everything that they have said will be taken as true.’ ”

This was, said the source, yet another example of how Kate is often far steelier than she appears. The toughened-up draft went to Buckingham Palace for approval, and came back a couple of hours later. The Queen had said yes.

The four-sentence statement was eventually released just before 5.30pm on Tuesday. It said, “The whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan. The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. While some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately. Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members.”

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Oblahbla · 03/07/2023 10:57

I'm pretty sure all women in the public eye get the same sort of treatment, including Meghan.

Morestrangerthings · 03/07/2023 11:20

Nono22972 · 03/07/2023 09:51

I 100% agree with you and I think social media is a HUGE part of the problem. Twitter, Facebook,... were not as big then as they are now so a lot of the Kate hate was actually on royal blogs, forums,... while Meghan gets hate on big social media platforms. This is bigger than the RF and the British media. So many people have been complaining for years that social media companies should step up and properly deal with harassment and racism on social media. I remember I was racially abused on Instagram last year, I reported the comments and Instagram responded, telling me that no community guidelines were violated. The same happens to a lot of people.

I think about so many young people today who commit suicide because of harassment on social media. Harassment at school has always existed but it was easier to tackle then because it only happened face to face. Now, it's gotten so much worse with social media.

Absolutely Nono. It is extremely concerning.

I’m sorry that you were racially abused. And I’m also sorry to hear that you got such an inadequate response from Instagram.

It is so worrying when we consider the younger generations.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 11:58

skullbabe · 03/07/2023 10:36

No I don't think it is downplaying it at all.

The poster cannot for the life her accept that you are agreeing with her that what Kate suffered with was absolutely atrocious. Without a doubt. And criminal.

Her argument is that Kate going through this absolutely trumps the racism and xenophobia that Meghan experienced in addition to the misogyny. She ascribes to the zero sum school of thought - that if she acknowledges that Meghan may have had additional hurdles that takes away from Kate. And that Meghan hate is now a multimillion pound industry which now extremely lucrative. It drives clicks and tv advertising (panel shows discuss her incessantly). It drives forum engagement.

Her argument is that Kate going through this absolutely trumps the racism and xenophobia that Meghan experienced in addition to the misogyny. She ascribes to the zero sum school of thought - that if she acknowledges that Meghan may have had additional hurdles that takes away from Kate.

You're putting words in my mouth. I stated that I thought Meghan mentioning the waity Katie bit in the Oprah interview without explaining the full picture of what she went through was minimizing what Catherine went through.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 12:02

MamoruHisaishi · 02/07/2023 04:51

Catherine has been called worse and been treated worse by the media. It's not like the negative articles wl about her have completely stopped, it's just that she never takes the media bait and ignores the negativity. She basically grey rocks the media unless she has to engage them in official royal activities. She doesn't play the victim or the damsel in distress despite all the crap that's been thrown at her.

To all the posters here, in particular, skull babe, here you go. Read the full context. I was responding to the poster where I stated that Catherine has gone through far worse by the media than the potential scenario that could occur in the future in relation to Catherine herself! Can you please learn to read the context next time instead of making assumptions about me and jumping to conclusions?

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 12:16

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 10:53

What is sarcasm? If that was your intention it doesn't;t come across that way. You wrote a whole lot of emotive things in there that looked like Harry or Meghan had said them. So perhaps be more careful with your posts if you do not mean to attribute words to someone you are talking about.

I post direct quotes from harry or Meghan. I think I'm careful enough with my posts, perhaps you could try that some time too?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 12:18

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 12:16

I post direct quotes from harry or Meghan. I think I'm careful enough with my posts, perhaps you could try that some time too?

which post of mine did I attribute words to someone incorrectly? I am happy to correct if I did that.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 12:34

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 12:18

which post of mine did I attribute words to someone incorrectly? I am happy to correct if I did that.

Here’s one such example:

Well you've once again made assumptions. Where is it said he expected them to respond to everything? I assume their office ran like all the others and those trying to do their job found it overwhelming in volume. How is that Harrys fault? I mean, that's a reach. He is to blame for the circus the media created?

Reread his quotes again, and then read what you wrote. Why is it not Harry’s fault for the staff breaking down when it was his office and he and Meghan were the bosses?

Also, before you're so willing to dismiss the bullying claims, please address what harry wrote about the staff not being open to constructive criticism. Then read the actual email that Jason knauff wrote.

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 12:48

Oblahbla · 03/07/2023 10:57

I'm pretty sure all women in the public eye get the same sort of treatment, including Meghan.

Yes exactly. I know that racism and sexism aren't the same thing, and both are equally vile. But it seems like I can't even say that Catherine experienced far worse treatment compared to a potential future scenario where the media would attack her for her words, without being criticized for it.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 14:42

MamoruHisaishi · 03/07/2023 12:34

Here’s one such example:

Well you've once again made assumptions. Where is it said he expected them to respond to everything? I assume their office ran like all the others and those trying to do their job found it overwhelming in volume. How is that Harrys fault? I mean, that's a reach. He is to blame for the circus the media created?

Reread his quotes again, and then read what you wrote. Why is it not Harry’s fault for the staff breaking down when it was his office and he and Meghan were the bosses?

Also, before you're so willing to dismiss the bullying claims, please address what harry wrote about the staff not being open to constructive criticism. Then read the actual email that Jason knauff wrote.

I think you've misunderstood what I asked. I asked where I misquoted someone or implied I was quoting them and did so incorrectly, as you did. I did not quote or speak as if I quoted anyone in the comment you copied above. I asked you questions, I did not quote you.

So what you've done is copy a comment you disagree with and asked a completely different question. You have not given an example of what I was actually talking about, where you created a narrative by implying he or Meghan said or felt things they did not.

Re bullying. What you've written is not an example of bullying, but it is also not what our conversation was about. You deflected instead.

MrsFinkelstein · 03/07/2023 14:53

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 08:15

Maybe the Queen gave her tips? where are those missing jewels I wonder....

They're on display at BP. Or did you fall for the journalistic spin?

www.rct.uk/about/press-office/press-releases/magnificent-jewels-from-the-queens-collection-go-on-display-as#/

costacoughee · 06/07/2023 19:47

So pleased Catherine is showing what a lot of people suspected. The ordeal she suffered at the hands of the gutter press for many years, has made her stronger and more aware of her place in history. She has gained a lot from the monarchy but lost a lot in terms of privacy so clearly is using the palace machinery to defend herself and her family from williams brother and his wife.

Like most wives they fight tooth and nail for their families. Clearly the long game and clever strategy win out over a rather inept couple convinced of their own superiority

WinnieTheW0rm · 06/07/2023 19:55

I think that’s why Kate is the first Princess by marriage since the Queen Mother to have survived the institution

Except of course for Princess Edward of Kent (alternate title for the Duchess), Princess Michael of Kent, Princess Richard of Gloucester (alternative for the Duchess and Princess Edward (aka the Duchess of Edinburgh)

WinnieTheW0rm · 06/07/2023 20:06

Also Princess Alice (Duchess of Gloucester, dec'd) and Princess Marina (Duchess of Kent, dec'd)

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