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Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview

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RYGO · 30/06/2023 22:19

While they were as concerned as anyone about not getting into a tit-for-tat with Harry and Meghan, William and Kate were clear which side of the debate they were on. “They wanted it toughened up a bit,” said the insider. “They were both of one mind that we needed something that said that the institution did not accept a lot of what had been said.

“He said, ‘It is really important that you guys come up with the right way of making sure that we are saying that this does not stand.’ She was certainly right behind him on it.”

While some have attributed “recollections may vary” to Alderton, more than one source has said that the author was in fact Jean-Christophe Gray, William’s new private secretary, who had been in post for less than three weeks. At least two senior officials in other households were against its inclusion, because they feared that it would rile Harry and Meghan. But once the phrase had been added to the draft, it was — according to another source — the Duchess of Cambridge who pressed home the argument that it should remain. “It was Kate who clearly made the point, ‘History will judge this statement and unless this phrase or a phrase like it is included, everything that they have said will be taken as true.’ ”

This was, said the source, yet another example of how Kate is often far steelier than she appears. The toughened-up draft went to Buckingham Palace for approval, and came back a couple of hours later. The Queen had said yes.

The four-sentence statement was eventually released just before 5.30pm on Tuesday. It said, “The whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan. The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. While some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately. Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members.”

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WinnieTheW0rm · 02/07/2023 12:20

EricandEnid · 02/07/2023 12:14

But, I'm also curious as to why Kate would insert herself in this conversation ? Is she or William the ones that made the racist concern then ? She does seem to have some kind of averse reaction to black people.

I rarely post on these threads because it’s all six of one and half a dozen of the other, but this (^^) this is a bold statement to make! Is there any proof to Kates aversion to black people?

The way Low describes it, it was the senior RF meeting to discuss the situation. And then their co-ordinated view being considered by HMQ.

I don't think, from what he wrote, that she "inserted" herself. Rather that she has a senior role

maranella · 02/07/2023 12:50

I don't think, from what he wrote, that she "inserted" herself. Rather that she has a senior role

Agreed! She is the future queen. She is the wife of next king and the mother of the king after that. To assume that she has no skin in the game and no place being involved is sexist and untrue. She's given up her entire life to be part of the RF and whatever is said about the RF as a whole includes her. H&M had blatantly accused an anonymous member of the RF of racism. They late clarified that that person wasn't the Queen or Prince Philip, but left William and Kate as possible culprits. She was absolutely in the right to push back and I think the phrase 'recollections may differ' was perfect - mild enough to not outright accuse them of lying - but firm enough that the rest of the world was reminded that there are two sides to every story.

stillavid · 02/07/2023 13:38

@Hohohogreenjennie I so agree with what you wrote. Both Kate and Meghan and indeed every woman who married into the RF have been treated horribly in the press and now on social media.

I don't think it is helpful to try and see who had it worst? Rather the focus should be on how to ensure it doesn't happen to the next generation. I can only imagine how worried Kate, Meghan etc must be about how it is going to be for their children as they become teens/young adults when everyone now has a camera on their phone.

Ohpleeeease · 02/07/2023 13:41

@EricandEnid your statement about Kate - you know which one I mean - is provocative and disgusting, and completely unsubstantiated.

MarcelProust · 02/07/2023 13:54

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Ohpleeeease · 02/07/2023 13:57

Well first I humbly apologise to @EricandEnid. My mistake.

@MarcelProust I don’t think you are someone I want to engage with.

MarcelProust · 02/07/2023 14:03

Ohpleeeease · 02/07/2023 13:57

Well first I humbly apologise to @EricandEnid. My mistake.

@MarcelProust I don’t think you are someone I want to engage with.

Good, lets' keep it that way.

The feeling's mutual.

EricandEnid · 02/07/2023 14:07

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Fair enough, but what about when she hugged the midwife who had helped deliver one of her children when she was pregnant with the other?

Nightlystroll · 02/07/2023 14:54

She does seem to have some kind of averse reaction to black people.

🙄

Labradorandshiraz · 02/07/2023 15:02

I haven’t noticed her reactions to black people, perhaps because I haven’t looked to them.

what I have noticed was a charity function with unpublished footage where she didsmissed a lady with brightly coloured hair that looked eccentric, while she was talking.

I also noticed on a walkabout in Ireland that there was a very beautiful tall, blonde Mum with her daughter. Kate talked to her for a while ahd she had a look I’ve never seen. It wasn’t animated but her eyes lit up in an admiring and respectful way. I saw a side of her I’ve not seen in the media, she reminded me in that moment of cliquey school Mums, who magicslly engineer their friendships around women that look, act and dress the same.

AnnunciataZ · 02/07/2023 15:08

I thought what really showed the royals up were their reactions to the bishop's sermon at M&H's wedding. Yes he went on for a while but smirking at him was out of order, though I don't think Kate was one of the culprits. Contrary to what he's referred to on MN, he was not a "preacher" or a pastor but the American equivalent of the Archbishop of Canterbury and they should've had a bit more respect. Surely manners are drummed into royals from an early age?

AnnunciataZ · 02/07/2023 15:09

I mean, just imagine the reaction on AIBU if someone posted to say their in-laws couldn't control their laughter at the vicar's sermon on their wedding day??

MarcelProust · 02/07/2023 15:25

I never understood what the younger royals issues are, I don't think the queen ever reacted with this lack of public diplomacy.

I think it becomes glaringly obvious because long along, as someone from the olden days, the queen always showed class for these occasions. Delighted, welcoming and engaged was her default public persona. ( I won't go into controversies of trips here, just her diplomacy). She always looked comfortable.

Even towards Meghan she was warm and never showed any disdain, not at the abby, no where. Which is why this public snub of her from others came across as a surprise (this was all before OW, btw).

As we all know, Diana was master at this, but isn't that their job actually.

Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview
Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview
Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview
Labradorandshiraz · 02/07/2023 15:53

@AnnunciataZ I whole heartedly agree.

I found this so disrespectful especially when he was talking essentially about slavery and the power of love. Especially as this style of language and delivering a sermon in an impassioned manner is just culturally different. He was an invited guest in that marriage ceremony/service and church.

I don’t know if they were laughing during this part but they might aswell have been,

If you don’t believe me, well, there were some old slaves in America’s antebellum South who explained the dynamic power of love and why it has the power to transform.
They explained it this way — they sang a spiritual, even in the midst of their captivity, it’s one that says:
“There is a balm in Gilead
To make the wounded whole
There is a balm in Gilead to heal the sin sick soul.
If you cannot preach like Peter, And you cannot pray like Paul, You can tell the love of Jesus, How he died to save us all.

That’s the balm in Gilead.”

Labradorandshiraz · 02/07/2023 16:02

This is Prince William sniggering just as Bishop Curry finishes his part about slavery.

If you’re actually listening to the sermon and his expression in it’s context of overcoming the horror of slavery, then it’s not at all funny.

Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview
Valentine Low book "Courtiers" Extra chapters for paperback. About statement after Oprah interview
Samcro · 02/07/2023 17:07

I don’t remember Kate sniggering, do remember Zara though.

stillavid · 02/07/2023 17:09

I felt sorry for Zara as she was so heavily pregnant. I thought everyone looked a little discombobulated during the service including Harry and Meghan. But now we know the run up to the wedding had been super stressful so I imagine there had been a lot of discussion around it amongst the family.

I am also dreadful for getting the giggles at the most inappropriate moments - I think it is a stress reaction to when I am uncomfortable.

Samcro · 02/07/2023 17:13

Sorry but I don’t think being pregnant means you forget your manners

SidekickSylvia · 02/07/2023 17:20

Can someone show the Zara sniggering clip? I just remember her looking a bit non plussed.

Oblahbla · 02/07/2023 17:23

Labradorandshiraz, this is the problem with unsubstantiated comments like yours, and more seriously MarcelProust's, these tiny snippets of coverage which show absolutely nothing
There's no genuine footage of these things that are claimed, just hacked together pieces, footage with the beginning and end chopped off to show what the poster wants to show, not what actually happened.

There's similar footage of Meghan glaring at the Queen, and glaring at Charlotte, and purportedly sniggering at the Queen's lying in state. I'm pretty sure none of these things are a truthful representation of her at all, but it's very easy to manipulate footage to show the bias you favour.

I think MarcelProust's comments particularly are not only untrue but actually shameful.

Samcro · 02/07/2023 17:25

I can’t do a link as it’s just something I remember seeing.
but thinking about it maybe the baby kicked as the camera went to her

jeffgoldblum · 02/07/2023 17:25

I agree @Oblahbla .

stillavid · 02/07/2023 17:31

Zara just looked massively uncomfortable and the service did go on as all the RF services do. She probably needed to go the loo or maybe she is rude but she seemed to always get on well with harry so who knows?

stillavid · 02/07/2023 17:32

It is a bit like photos that have been on social media trying to say Meghan stuck her tongue out at someone when I assume she was just licking her lips and the photo caught her at the wrong moment. But people love to find photos etc to fit their narrative.

jeffgoldblum · 02/07/2023 17:35

Yes @stillavid , that one with William apparently sticking his finger up ! , when shown from a different angle, completely different!