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Omid Scobie writing tell all book

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CosmosQueen · 29/06/2023 07:23

The biographer of the Duke and Duchess of Sussexwarned that his next book will reveal moments that the Royal family should be “ashamed of”.
Omid Scobie claimed he was one of few journalists writing about the Royal family whose work was impartial and “spin-free”

As such, he said his forthcoming book, provocatively titled Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, would focus on the negative as much as the positive and would shine a light on “unsolved mysteries”
“Endgame not only looks at the successes of our Royal family but also the failures; the things to be proud of and those they should be ashamed of,” he wrote in the I newspaper

Just when will this end? I feel so sorry for their poor children who will have to live with the knowledge that their parents and his obnoxious individual were prepared to do anything to make money.

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Mackerson · 13/07/2023 22:16

@Cherrymuffincake202
I never felt my wedding rehearsal made me married. But we're all different and so I fully accept that both you and Meghan could have felt married after you exchanged your vows. BUT you knew you weren't married until you signed the registry book.

So after you got married with the priest, in the church, with the congregation and the registry book and had the reception and went on your honeymoon, when you went into work, and someone asked you when you got married, did you say, oh on the Tuesday evening, four days before the ceremony. Or did you say two weeks ago last Saturday. It was a great day. The church flowers were gorgeous. My mums hat looked great. My dress was a bit tight. My chief bridesmaid caught the bouquet and then copped off with the bestman.

Meghan knew she wasn't married but she spilled the secret that they'd got married three days before. Psst, no one knows that. 🤫 If she was conveying, like you, that she felt married, she wouldn't be saying that something secretive had happened and no one knew about it. Because what actually happened was they said vows to each other privately. Which is lovely. But does not equate to being married.

I just don't get why people keep saying that it equated to a marriage. Even the Sussexes are saying it didn't.

Nor do I know why I'm having this argument. Because I don't care that she said it. Meghan is typical Hollywood where a good story trumps the truth. She's not being malicious. That's just how they do interviews out there. The only reason it matters is that her casual relationship with the truth, as evidenced by this, might well be reflected in her other claims. Which even her husband has since debunked. But it was all so long ago. After several interviews, a six part documentary, a book and a car chase people's opinions have hardened, and no one is going to change their mind about them now.

Cherrymuffincake202 · 14/07/2023 06:02

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 22:16

@Cherrymuffincake202
I never felt my wedding rehearsal made me married. But we're all different and so I fully accept that both you and Meghan could have felt married after you exchanged your vows. BUT you knew you weren't married until you signed the registry book.

So after you got married with the priest, in the church, with the congregation and the registry book and had the reception and went on your honeymoon, when you went into work, and someone asked you when you got married, did you say, oh on the Tuesday evening, four days before the ceremony. Or did you say two weeks ago last Saturday. It was a great day. The church flowers were gorgeous. My mums hat looked great. My dress was a bit tight. My chief bridesmaid caught the bouquet and then copped off with the bestman.

Meghan knew she wasn't married but she spilled the secret that they'd got married three days before. Psst, no one knows that. 🤫 If she was conveying, like you, that she felt married, she wouldn't be saying that something secretive had happened and no one knew about it. Because what actually happened was they said vows to each other privately. Which is lovely. But does not equate to being married.

I just don't get why people keep saying that it equated to a marriage. Even the Sussexes are saying it didn't.

Nor do I know why I'm having this argument. Because I don't care that she said it. Meghan is typical Hollywood where a good story trumps the truth. She's not being malicious. That's just how they do interviews out there. The only reason it matters is that her casual relationship with the truth, as evidenced by this, might well be reflected in her other claims. Which even her husband has since debunked. But it was all so long ago. After several interviews, a six part documentary, a book and a car chase people's opinions have hardened, and no one is going to change their mind about them now.

Well sorry to labour the point but actually when I look back I am well known for telling people I was married the night before because the day itself was very stressful for various family reasons and a bit of a blur and I can’t remember much of it! And the rehearsal was peaceful, meaningful and lovely and felt very significant with just my closest family there so I think it’s entirely possible if Meghan and Harry exchanged private vows that she felt the same way.

The night before was when I felt married. That’s when we exchanged vows for the first time and said a prayer together in a very peaceful church. That’s when the true meaning sank in. The rest with the dress and reception and document signing didn’t feel that important; like it was necessary stuff but not the essence of it. A different perspective that’s all.

pilates · 14/07/2023 07:01

I never felt my wedding rehearsal made me married.

It never even entered my head and have never heard this from anyone else either.

We both rushed home from work starving hungry not relaxed at all. I appreciate Meghan’s experience would have been somewhat different. 😀

Mackerson · 14/07/2023 07:05

@Cherrymuffincake202
Belabour away. Its nice to hear a personal experience, especially such a lovely, meaningful one. 🙂
Fair enough that you always give your wedding day as the day before you actually got married. But Meghan doesn't. She got a spokesperson to say they got married on the day they were in the Chapel. So your situation isn't really like Meghan's at all. Unlike you, she isnt claiming her wedding day to be any other than the one she had on 19 May.
Because sassy and cool Catholics can apparently just adopt any day that gives them them the feelz as their wedding day. But us boring old CofEs are tedious rulez people. We give our wedding day as the unimaginative day we actually got married on. And Meghan, for her sins, is one of us. 😀

Cherrymuffincake202 · 14/07/2023 07:27

Well each to their own Mackerson 😃

I’ve certainly never been called a cool Catholic before … lots of other things… usually derogatory 😃… but never that 😃

The main point though was in response to Meghan saying that she and Harry shared personal vows for "just the two of us" ahead of their official wedding day in Windsor on 19 May 2018.

And everyone piled on her saying she was fibbing and the tabloids twisted it as they twist everything she says, but I can understand that when so much of everything related to her nuptials was for the public, and in the public eye, that their private moment alone probably felt very special.

But I’ll stop whanging on about it now.

People are allowed to hold different perspectives about things.

Everyone is determined to portray her as a liar. The tabloids have done a good stitch up job!

Mackerson · 14/07/2023 08:15

Well, no. She said, "three days before our wedding, we got married. No one knows that." Even Harry couldn't make eye contact with her. His gaze was rivetted on the hens. 😄

Yes, she might have meant it was just a private statement of vows but she's doing an interview where she's maintaining that she's telling facts about real people that will be both hurtful and damaging to their reputation. So it would be helpful to the audience to feel confident that she speaks from a place of truth. When you're as fanciful as she is, it can be quite charming, as is your experience, but it's not the truth. She wasn't sharing an amazing secret of a clandestine marriage. She had a rehearsal in the back yard of Nottingham Cottage. (Amazing really that she had the head of the English church on speed dial but she couldn't get in touch with a therapist for love nor money!)

Again, it's just Hollywood speak. Every tale has to be over the top to get interest going. It's not a big deal. It's an average eye roll at best. But you have to match your tale to the appropriateness of the occasion. And on this occasion, she didn't.

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:25

I just don't know why people are so hung up on this. Yes, she should not have said this, given how it would be picked up and shredded. Yes, she probably felt that private moment she had with Harry was their special moment. No, she probably shouldn't have called it married at that point. Yes, it will be brought up forever as 'lying' and has done her no favours.

As for the therapist on speed dial, I think that subject should be dropped. What she went through and what she felt is hers and hers alone feelings. And I feel uncomfortable with taking the piss out of anyone who is struggling with dark thoughts. We don't know and we shouldn't rubbish it.

And yes, that will be brought up forever too!

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 08:26

It doesn't matter one jot how many people on here felt that the rehearsal or when they first met or lying in a cornfield as when they were "married". Legally it isn't true. I was reading a piece by American playwright Michael R Jackson and he summed it up perfectly imo.

"I found that interview to be profoundly frustrating. When you're talking about something as important as racism, you need to be specific. "

"They seem to always be saying a lot, but very little at the same time"

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 08:31

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:25

I just don't know why people are so hung up on this. Yes, she should not have said this, given how it would be picked up and shredded. Yes, she probably felt that private moment she had with Harry was their special moment. No, she probably shouldn't have called it married at that point. Yes, it will be brought up forever as 'lying' and has done her no favours.

As for the therapist on speed dial, I think that subject should be dropped. What she went through and what she felt is hers and hers alone feelings. And I feel uncomfortable with taking the piss out of anyone who is struggling with dark thoughts. We don't know and we shouldn't rubbish it.

And yes, that will be brought up forever too!

Yet Harry talks endlessly at every opportunity he has on his mental health but you are comfortable with reading and hearing all about these ad nauseam? As you say " we don't know".

Mackerson · 14/07/2023 08:33

And I feel uncomfortable with taking the piss out of anyone who is struggling with dark thoughts.

I'm not taking the piss. I'm perfectly serious.

Mylovelygreendress · 14/07/2023 08:45

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:25

I just don't know why people are so hung up on this. Yes, she should not have said this, given how it would be picked up and shredded. Yes, she probably felt that private moment she had with Harry was their special moment. No, she probably shouldn't have called it married at that point. Yes, it will be brought up forever as 'lying' and has done her no favours.

As for the therapist on speed dial, I think that subject should be dropped. What she went through and what she felt is hers and hers alone feelings. And I feel uncomfortable with taking the piss out of anyone who is struggling with dark thoughts. We don't know and we shouldn't rubbish it.

And yes, that will be brought up forever too!

I think people are so “ hung up “ about it is because it is yet another example of Meghan’s tendency to lie . Harry too.
I do agree that the MH issue should be dropped . Clearly she had some issues and I think most people acknowledge that.

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:55

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 08:31

Yet Harry talks endlessly at every opportunity he has on his mental health but you are comfortable with reading and hearing all about these ad nauseam? As you say " we don't know".

Anyone who wants to speak openly about their MH instead of bottling it up, that's OK with me.

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:57

Mylovelygreendress · 14/07/2023 08:45

I think people are so “ hung up “ about it is because it is yet another example of Meghan’s tendency to lie . Harry too.
I do agree that the MH issue should be dropped . Clearly she had some issues and I think most people acknowledge that.

I know, I get that. It's just that it goes round in circles saying exactly the same thing! I just feel some people can't get over it.

Misguided? Yes. Truly disgusting and needs to be talked about forever? Nope!

Just my opinion of course!

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 09:01

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:55

Anyone who wants to speak openly about their MH instead of bottling it up, that's OK with me.

and then to discuss?

Roussette · 14/07/2023 09:09

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 09:01

and then to discuss?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 14/07/2023 09:11

Roussette · 14/07/2023 08:25

I just don't know why people are so hung up on this. Yes, she should not have said this, given how it would be picked up and shredded. Yes, she probably felt that private moment she had with Harry was their special moment. No, she probably shouldn't have called it married at that point. Yes, it will be brought up forever as 'lying' and has done her no favours.

As for the therapist on speed dial, I think that subject should be dropped. What she went through and what she felt is hers and hers alone feelings. And I feel uncomfortable with taking the piss out of anyone who is struggling with dark thoughts. We don't know and we shouldn't rubbish it.

And yes, that will be brought up forever too!

We know the reason people have to go on and on and on about it 5 years later. Because she must be a liar. Then they do not have to deal with the fact she was treated badly, we have a revolting press that sometimes behaves illegally and isn't overseen by an independent authority, and we have a monarchy that desperately needs to modernise, and has race issues within its institution. Nobody wants to reflect on the culture we have here and certainly we don;t want a fucking American telling us about ourselves. She has to be a liar, otherwise someone in that elitist nonsense institution is a racist. Brits prefer to point at America and say, we're not racist like them. When the finger points back, it doesn't go so well.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 14/07/2023 09:15

Clearly she had some issues and I think most people acknowledge that.

Yes, half the population has some kind of anxiety issue. What we must be mindful of though, is not dismissing anything someone with these issues says, or acting like people with mental health problems can;t be trusted or can;t be telling the truth, or are some sort of crazy mess. Not saying that was what you said but just making the wider point. half the population, so every day you will be around people with similar issues.

Mylovelygreendress · 14/07/2023 09:21

Iwantcakeeveryday · 14/07/2023 09:15

Clearly she had some issues and I think most people acknowledge that.

Yes, half the population has some kind of anxiety issue. What we must be mindful of though, is not dismissing anything someone with these issues says, or acting like people with mental health problems can;t be trusted or can;t be telling the truth, or are some sort of crazy mess. Not saying that was what you said but just making the wider point. half the population, so every day you will be around people with similar issues.

My view - and it is only my view - is that the reason some people are less than sympathetic is because of the behaviour displayed by Meghan ( and Harry) since they flounced off . They have both lied and manipulated so it is hard to be sympathetic.
And please don’t retort with “ they were forced out” when we know that they left because HM refused their half in half our proposal . As I have said before.

costacoughee · 14/07/2023 09:22

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BoohooWoohoo · 14/07/2023 09:25

Apparently in Hollywood it's normal for actors and others to exaggerate and embellish their achievements and their life generally.

I have heard about Biden doing this and he was still elected POTUS.

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 09:26

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 09:01

and then to discuss?

My point was that you seem to say that it is wrong to talk about M's MH issues but that it is OK to discuss Harry's as detailed in his books, interviews etc. Why is there a difference?

costacoughee · 14/07/2023 09:27

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 14/07/2023 09:30

Mylovelygreendress · 14/07/2023 09:21

My view - and it is only my view - is that the reason some people are less than sympathetic is because of the behaviour displayed by Meghan ( and Harry) since they flounced off . They have both lied and manipulated so it is hard to be sympathetic.
And please don’t retort with “ they were forced out” when we know that they left because HM refused their half in half our proposal . As I have said before.

I'll 'retort' with whatever I like! Whatever perceived wrongs, people should have some amount of sympathy for other peoples emotional or mental suffering. Even if you don;t like the person. Lacking empathy isn't the best trait to have.

Roussette · 14/07/2023 09:53

DollyTheFluffyOne · 14/07/2023 09:26

My point was that you seem to say that it is wrong to talk about M's MH issues but that it is OK to discuss Harry's as detailed in his books, interviews etc. Why is there a difference?

Thank you for explaining. If someone wants to talk about it, that's fine. Harry obviously did and has. Meghan hasn't.
I am not saying it is wrong to discuss it on here, but not to minimise it and say she is lying about it. That's all

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