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Omid Scobie writing tell all book

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CosmosQueen · 29/06/2023 07:23

The biographer of the Duke and Duchess of Sussexwarned that his next book will reveal moments that the Royal family should be “ashamed of”.
Omid Scobie claimed he was one of few journalists writing about the Royal family whose work was impartial and “spin-free”

As such, he said his forthcoming book, provocatively titled Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, would focus on the negative as much as the positive and would shine a light on “unsolved mysteries”
“Endgame not only looks at the successes of our Royal family but also the failures; the things to be proud of and those they should be ashamed of,” he wrote in the I newspaper

Just when will this end? I feel so sorry for their poor children who will have to live with the knowledge that their parents and his obnoxious individual were prepared to do anything to make money.

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 13/07/2023 11:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2023 10:34

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that then, Iwantcakeeveryday, though I'm very much with you about the potential dangers of brushing aside MH issues or discouraging people from talking about them

That's the general principle though, and in this particular case the circumstances may have been as described or they may not - I simply don't know, and am certainly not going to make assumptions on the back of a narrative from folk who've been shown to be less than reliable

Theres no need to imply it might not be the truth though. You don't need to say anything if you're unsure. Saying, oh it might not be true is as bad a saying it isn't to the person suffering. About 30 years ago someone I knew well killed himself and the terrible thing was, he told people years before he was going to and nobody believed it. So I never doubt it just in case... its someones life after all.

costacoughee · 13/07/2023 12:13

Fwiw. I did mental health training and people who say they want to commit suicide and make failed attempts actually are not attention seeking (as is said frequently) but often go on to commit suicide.

Not relevant but just saying

Roussette · 13/07/2023 12:55

costacoughee · 13/07/2023 12:13

Fwiw. I did mental health training and people who say they want to commit suicide and make failed attempts actually are not attention seeking (as is said frequently) but often go on to commit suicide.

Not relevant but just saying

Totally agree 100%

There are so many myths and misunderstandings about suicide.

Annalisea · 13/07/2023 12:58

costacoughee · 13/07/2023 07:51

The only reason people find the couple so interesting is it's a slow motion train crash. Fascinating how two people had so much potential and so many opportunities yet have managed to cock the whole thing up

Exactly right

Ohpleeeease · 13/07/2023 13:30

costacoughee · Today 12:13
Fwiw. I did mental health training and people who say they want to commit suicide and make failed attempts actually are not attention seeking (as is said frequently) but often go on to commit suicide.

Not wishing to derail especially as this is such a sensitive subject but there is a world of difference between true suicidality, ie a compulsion to kill oneself, and not wanting to be alive. The former is often tragically misdiagnosed as the latter.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/07/2023 14:38

Iwantcakeeveryday · 13/07/2023 08:15

They had a wedding ceremony, and it was meaningful to them. Legal or not, that's their story of their marriage. Its such an odd thing to do to insist what day should be meaningful to a couple. I wouldn't have felt like a huge televised event was special either.

For me it was the gleeful way MM said they actually got married 3 days beforehand knowing full well a) they hadn’t and b) the “ spectacle” cost British taxpayers millions .
They could have had a small wedding . They didn’t have to have the huge affair they did if it wasn’t going to be meaningful but Harry himself said he wanted Westminster Abbey !

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 15:17

Mylovelygreendress · 13/07/2023 14:38

For me it was the gleeful way MM said they actually got married 3 days beforehand knowing full well a) they hadn’t and b) the “ spectacle” cost British taxpayers millions .
They could have had a small wedding . They didn’t have to have the huge affair they did if it wasn’t going to be meaningful but Harry himself said he wanted Westminster Abbey !

I’ve no idea who decided that the wedding would be a public occasion, and this is all pure speculation on my part, but I can imagine that by the conclusion of events, even if it was exciting at the outset, that it wasn’t much fun having had every micro-expression broadcast
to millions across the world and subject to interpretation by body language experts, the dynamics of your family dissected in the tabloids and on sm, hundreds of lies made up about you, and every stitch and tuck on your wedding gown analysed by so called fashion experts along with your bodily dimensions … I imagine it was all an ordeal of the highest order … and that’s leaving out the security worries and the stress that something could potentially go seriously wrong on the day … such as a terrorist attack.

Why would anyone consider that pleasant? Like most royal occasions I imagine it looks beautiful and fairy-tale like on the outside and the reality behind the scenes is far far from pleasant.

In contrast to that, a priest standing in front of just you and your closest family, in private, on a relative stress feee evening, saying the wedding vows, especially if you have any form of religious faith, was probably a much more special and significant moment for them as a couple.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/07/2023 15:23

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 15:17

I’ve no idea who decided that the wedding would be a public occasion, and this is all pure speculation on my part, but I can imagine that by the conclusion of events, even if it was exciting at the outset, that it wasn’t much fun having had every micro-expression broadcast
to millions across the world and subject to interpretation by body language experts, the dynamics of your family dissected in the tabloids and on sm, hundreds of lies made up about you, and every stitch and tuck on your wedding gown analysed by so called fashion experts along with your bodily dimensions … I imagine it was all an ordeal of the highest order … and that’s leaving out the security worries and the stress that something could potentially go seriously wrong on the day … such as a terrorist attack.

Why would anyone consider that pleasant? Like most royal occasions I imagine it looks beautiful and fairy-tale like on the outside and the reality behind the scenes is far far from pleasant.

In contrast to that, a priest standing in front of just you and your closest family, in private, on a relative stress feee evening, saying the wedding vows, especially if you have any form of religious faith, was probably a much more special and significant moment for them as a couple.

Well obviously I am not 100% sure but based on the fact that Meghan has craved fame her whole life ( not a criticism ) and Harry wanting treated the same as William and admitting that he wanted WM , it would suggest to me that they were happy to have the huge event . But like so much with H and M , history has been rewritten.

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 16:10

our priest read out the entire essential vows of our marriage service at the rehearsal the night before the ceremony, and another retired priest there who was a member of the family said we were now technically married.

That doesn't make you married, it just makes your priest relative very ill-informed, particularly as that was his actual job! Technically means you were legally married at that point, which you weren't. If people are technically married at the rehearsal, then if one doesn't show up on the day, they'd have to go through a technical divorce. 🙄

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 16:35

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 16:10

our priest read out the entire essential vows of our marriage service at the rehearsal the night before the ceremony, and another retired priest there who was a member of the family said we were now technically married.

That doesn't make you married, it just makes your priest relative very ill-informed, particularly as that was his actual job! Technically means you were legally married at that point, which you weren't. If people are technically married at the rehearsal, then if one doesn't show up on the day, they'd have to go through a technical divorce. 🙄

I think he meant it from a religious perspective. You can understand a priest giving more weight to God’s word than the law of the land surely? Marriage is one of the seven sacraments of the Catholic faith if you are interested in that sort of thing and as such is considered sacred and permanently binding.

In nominally Catholic European countries such as France , the church service and the legal service are two separate entities and whereas one makes the union legally binding that doesn’t diminish the importance of the other.

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 16:39

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 16:35

I think he meant it from a religious perspective. You can understand a priest giving more weight to God’s word than the law of the land surely? Marriage is one of the seven sacraments of the Catholic faith if you are interested in that sort of thing and as such is considered sacred and permanently binding.

In nominally Catholic European countries such as France , the church service and the legal service are two separate entities and whereas one makes the union legally binding that doesn’t diminish the importance of the other.

It doesn't make you technically married. It actually doesn't make you married at all.

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 16:47

Sorry, I cleaned my screen and sent the message too early, @Cherrymuffincake202 . 🤦‍♀️

Meghan is not an ill-informed person. She knows she wasn't married. She said it because she uses fanciful language to make her experience sound magical. Like she did on the Tig. Does it matter? Well, not to me because she speaks hokum hooey most of the time. Watch her interviews before her marriage. It's just part of who she is. And I don't mind it, really. It's just standard talk for Hollywood interviews.
But when you're giving an interview where you're making serious allegations about other people, you have to be aware that, when you say things that are factually untrue, they're going to be picked over, and it's going undermine your accusations which could also be viewed as made up or overexaggerated tosh, too.

Howsimplywonderful · 13/07/2023 16:47

@Cherrymuffincake202

Technically a vicar may refuse to marry a couple in the COE where one or both is divorced unless there are ‘exceptional circumstances’ which is why all the RF second weddings weren’t in churches, an exception was made for Harry.

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 17:00

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 16:39

It doesn't make you technically married. It actually doesn't make you married at all.

Ah but it does if you are a practicing Catholic. You obviously have to comply with the law (and in fact there are still quite a few legal hoops to jump through in the UK if you marry another Catholic who is resident abroad) but the religious service is the one that is considered more binding from a faith perspective.

Howsimplywonderful · 13/07/2023 17:12

@Cherrymuffincake202

you need to get an annulment if you technically want to get married in a Catholic Church.

Thats quite a big hoop as you marry someone for better or worse you have to prove they hid something from you when you were getting married

irish Catholic education here

Howsimplywonderful · 13/07/2023 17:13

Annulment - if you were previously married like Meghan was

Mackerson · 13/07/2023 17:25

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 17:00

Ah but it does if you are a practicing Catholic. You obviously have to comply with the law (and in fact there are still quite a few legal hoops to jump through in the UK if you marry another Catholic who is resident abroad) but the religious service is the one that is considered more binding from a faith perspective.

Well no, even to Catholics it really doesn't mean you're technically married. That means you're actually are married. If it meant you are technically married, you wouldn't need to do any of those boring legalities like complying with the law that actually do make you married.

Anyway, it's a moot point. Because even the Sussexes have said they didn't get married before their wedding.

SidekickSylvia · 13/07/2023 20:24

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 17:00

Ah but it does if you are a practicing Catholic. You obviously have to comply with the law (and in fact there are still quite a few legal hoops to jump through in the UK if you marry another Catholic who is resident abroad) but the religious service is the one that is considered more binding from a faith perspective.

Ah but it does if you are a practicing Catholic.

No, it really doesn't. We're Catholics, not ignorami, roaming around Britain having hailed from another European country, wholly confused by the laws of your land. Wondering why uncle Lorenzo blessing us with a drop of holy water, joining our wrists together with a daisy chain in our back garden, doesn't stand up in a court of law. FFS, us foreign Catholics are as clued up about the legalities of marriage as everyone else (apart from the endlessly confused Meghan obviously).

skullbabe · 13/07/2023 20:28

Not the roast chicken 🤣

Howsimplywonderful · 13/07/2023 20:29

@Cherrymuffincake202

a catholic priest wouldn’t have married H&M as they’re not catholic and even if they converted, she’s a divorcee. So they would have had to apply to the Pope for an annulment, and they don’t come quickly or cheaply or at all in the case of another famous Henry

skullbabe · 13/07/2023 20:31

Good god - not the banana again 🤣!

Ohpleeeease · 13/07/2023 21:02

@Cherrymuffincake202 In Spare, Harry discussed the options he put forward which were ruled out for them: St Paul’s, Westminster Abbey. They were not looking for a quiet, under-the-radar wedding.

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 21:25

Hold your horses everyone! Did you not read the bit of my post which said “you obviously have to comply with the law” ?

So no need for comments about ignorami and Uncle Lorenzo, funny though they are 😀😀

And when did posters become so pedantic? I’m obviously aware that Meghan and Harry are not Catholic and that they weren’t married in the Catholic Church -

If you read back I was merely trying to explain how someone might feel they were married having listened to the priest recite the entire marriage rite and having intoned the responses, especially if you are a person of faith. That’s all!

This very same thing happened to me and the bolt of lightening feeling hit me at the rehearsal and not on the day itself because the religious significance held more meaning for me than the signing of the register.

That’s all I am saying! No need for the collective forensic analysis!

StartupRepair · 13/07/2023 21:34

Fanciful is a very kind way to describe Meghan's communication style. Some of it is downright manipulative, exaggerated and deceptive.

Cherrymuffincake202 · 13/07/2023 22:07

yes well “recollections may vary” applies from both perspectives! 😃

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