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Omid Scobie writing tell all book

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CosmosQueen · 29/06/2023 07:23

The biographer of the Duke and Duchess of Sussexwarned that his next book will reveal moments that the Royal family should be “ashamed of”.
Omid Scobie claimed he was one of few journalists writing about the Royal family whose work was impartial and “spin-free”

As such, he said his forthcoming book, provocatively titled Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, would focus on the negative as much as the positive and would shine a light on “unsolved mysteries”
“Endgame not only looks at the successes of our Royal family but also the failures; the things to be proud of and those they should be ashamed of,” he wrote in the I newspaper

Just when will this end? I feel so sorry for their poor children who will have to live with the knowledge that their parents and his obnoxious individual were prepared to do anything to make money.

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AliceOlive · 11/07/2023 22:07

I meant Re: not wanting Sophie’s help?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 08:54

I think discussing someones suicidality and what they should have done or what you think they did do, is grotesque. No wonder half the population has mental health issues, our society has such a horrible attitude towards mental health.

Harry did explain why he didn't do anything that night and that it was a truly awful thing to do which he regrets.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 08:55

None of you know what help she was offered or by who, once again he tabloids fill your head with BS and you believe it.

smilesy · 12/07/2023 09:17

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 08:55

None of you know what help she was offered or by who, once again he tabloids fill your head with BS and you believe it.

Wasn’t it Meghan herself who brought up the topic in the OW interview? And Harry said he didn’t get her help because of the nature of their job? They had a “quick cuddle” and got ready to go to the Albert Hall? I’m not sure I’d do that if my partner had just told me they were suicidal, whatever the surrounding circumstances were.

Mylovelygreendress · 12/07/2023 09:18

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 08:55

None of you know what help she was offered or by who, once again he tabloids fill your head with BS and you believe it.

Has Meghan actually said she received no offers of help and advice ? I didn’t watch the Netflix series so have no idea .

Maireas · 12/07/2023 09:18

Meghan herself talked about it, various interviews/media appearances.

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 09:34

Meghan said she asked HR for help with her mental health for some strange reason and didn't receive help. She didn't say anything to the professionals looking after her during the pregnancy despite seeing them at least weekly and having a number she could call, also apparently, never mentioned it again to Harry because he had a therapist on speed dial Surely following the show he would have again asked the question?

No one is saying she didn't have suicidal thoughts but as she made such an issue of accusing the royal family and the institution of ignoring her pleas for help we do have the right to question why she or harry didn't ask the right people? NHS midwifery care is very hot on maternal mental health and always ask these questions, so help was available. You have to ask why she didn't take it which is not the same as ignoring her needs as she claimed. Don't forget she had her passport allegedly taken away ...which was clearly untrue

Samcro · 12/07/2023 09:38

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 08:54

I think discussing someones suicidality and what they should have done or what you think they did do, is grotesque. No wonder half the population has mental health issues, our society has such a horrible attitude towards mental health.

Harry did explain why he didn't do anything that night and that it was a truly awful thing to do which he regrets.

good post

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 09:43

Samcro · 12/07/2023 09:38

good post

Thank you. I despair at the attitudes towards this issue. People do not behave perfectly when they are struggling mentally. Theres been a lot of questioning of another European royal who had been absent for a while, with lots of stories and theories about what was wrong with her and their marriage etc and I can imagine that being in a position like that, it is hard to have private healthcare but especially privacy around your mental health. Going away for a while would be hard to do with the intrusions into your life by the press and public.

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 10:05

No one is denying she had struggles. If she says she did then she did. What people are questioning is her claim she was denied help when it's clear help was available via her pregnancy team Harry had more than just one opportunity to help her. When they got home or the next day he could have gone through it again and called his therapist who would have advised seeing her obstetrician. Not like he had to rush off to work. 🤷🏻‍♀️

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 10:08

And she had 'privacy' throughout the entire pregnancy and birth. No one had an inkling she'd already had the baby when they announced she was in labour so the ship was tightly locked down. Her referral to MH services would have been just as private.

Roussette · 12/07/2023 10:24

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 09:43

Thank you. I despair at the attitudes towards this issue. People do not behave perfectly when they are struggling mentally. Theres been a lot of questioning of another European royal who had been absent for a while, with lots of stories and theories about what was wrong with her and their marriage etc and I can imagine that being in a position like that, it is hard to have private healthcare but especially privacy around your mental health. Going away for a while would be hard to do with the intrusions into your life by the press and public.

Well said.

It really is not that easy to seek help when you are struggling and being in such a prominent position, as for Meghan. And then you have the grotesque Piers Morgan saying he didn't believe she was struggling mentally, and posters on here were echoing that. Luckily MIND came out and slammed him for that.

I just know from experience with suicidal people, you can be surrounded by people and by help, but not know where to go and how to handle it. There are so many myths and misconceptions out there about those that struggle in this way

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 10:35

Her weekly obs checkup would always ask the question, how are you feeling today. It's routine. It's said every time. No one here is denying she had issues. What is questionable is she specifically said she was denied help. She also claimed on OW her passport was taken away. Fair enough if she struggled and felt she couldn't ask for help and harry sat on the issue for weeks and did nothing that's understandable. But to say it was asked for and denied is another thing entirely.

What arseholes like piers Morgan said is irrelevant.

smilesy · 12/07/2023 10:36

I just know from experience with suicidal people, you can be surrounded by people and by help, but not know where to go and how to handle it. There are so many myths and misconceptions out there about those that struggle in this way

You are right of course, but I thought the issue here is the claim was that help was denied or not available, and also that with Meghan having told Harry how she felt, which is a difficult thing to do, he did nothing about it 🤷‍♀️

Maireas · 12/07/2023 10:37

Nothing to do with Piers Morgan.
Meghan talked about her suicidal thoughts openly. No-one got that from a tabloid. She said she got no help. The big question is - why not? What was Harry doing to support his desperate pregnant wife?

Annalisea · 12/07/2023 10:44

smilesy · 12/07/2023 10:36

I just know from experience with suicidal people, you can be surrounded by people and by help, but not know where to go and how to handle it. There are so many myths and misconceptions out there about those that struggle in this way

You are right of course, but I thought the issue here is the claim was that help was denied or not available, and also that with Meghan having told Harry how she felt, which is a difficult thing to do, he did nothing about it 🤷‍♀️

She’s a grown woman. She could have called a therapist anytime herself. It’s not the job of a spouse to find help.

Roussette · 12/07/2023 10:52

I will take myself off this conversation because I find it misguided and unfair. And I will end up being rude.

No one knows how they will handle it when confronted with it like Harry was, or being the one with these dark thoughts.

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 10:55

No one is denying her struggle. No one is denying she was stressed and desperate. No one. It's her claim help was actively denied that simply doesn't make sense.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 11:40

Roussette · 12/07/2023 10:24

Well said.

It really is not that easy to seek help when you are struggling and being in such a prominent position, as for Meghan. And then you have the grotesque Piers Morgan saying he didn't believe she was struggling mentally, and posters on here were echoing that. Luckily MIND came out and slammed him for that.

I just know from experience with suicidal people, you can be surrounded by people and by help, but not know where to go and how to handle it. There are so many myths and misconceptions out there about those that struggle in this way

Yes, and often the help we are offered, is not the help we actually need. So a therapist may be appropriate, and sometimes it isn't the first one you try, and sometimes you actually need to be away from the environment that's causing you distress and be away to heal for a bit. We do not know what she was offered if anything, or what she needed. We just know she didn't get what she herself felt she needed.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 11:43

Roussette · 12/07/2023 10:52

I will take myself off this conversation because I find it misguided and unfair. And I will end up being rude.

No one knows how they will handle it when confronted with it like Harry was, or being the one with these dark thoughts.

yes, I agree. This 'she's a grown woman' comment is so so damaging and harmful. Lots of grown adults struggle with health issues like this and its not ok to shame them for it. I know my husband didn't know what to do for me either at first, its something we had to learn about and it took time.

smilesy · 12/07/2023 12:38

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 11:43

yes, I agree. This 'she's a grown woman' comment is so so damaging and harmful. Lots of grown adults struggle with health issues like this and its not ok to shame them for it. I know my husband didn't know what to do for me either at first, its something we had to learn about and it took time.

We are all agreed that no one knows how they will handle something like this. What is being queried is that help was denied at the time, and why Harry, after Meghan told him of her struggles did nothing apparently. It may be that he did, but the OW interview certainly gave a strong impression that no one tried to help 🤷‍♀️

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/07/2023 13:21

he talks about it on the Netflix series, he knows he shouldn't have gone out, but all he could think about was the drama it would cause if they didn't meet an engagement and if he could even say no, he refers to it as being institutionalised- to prioritise service to others/the role over his own wife's wellbeing. Its not like that's something the royal family hasn't done before, he saw it with his parents. He's acknowledged they should have stayed home. I don't think they said no help was available at all either, but she means going somewhere for help, not calling a therapist to the palace. I think they were highlighting the limitations and lack of choices with the kind of help the institution can or typically does provide. I also think its understandable she may have not wanted to discuss this with her obstetrician or maternity team. There is a lot of stigma around depression in pregnancy and I've seen lots of unkind comments about her feelings his way while pregnant online.
Yes Harry should of done more, he acknowledges this. It can also be true that the institution doesn't provide the type of help someone in that position may need and it may have let her down here.

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 13:46

@Iwantcakeeveryday No one here knows what help the institution offers. It's speculation. The obstetrician is the ideal person to get help as they deal with all pregnancy related issues. And harry , what stopped him getting help the following day or during the week or months that followed ?

Meghan implied help was denied because of the institutional factors.

This is the only thing people question. She said her passport was taken away. That clearly wasn't true. When you are caught out in a lie it's inevitable people question your version of the truth. To emphasise. No one denies she was struggling. What they question is help was denied to her

smilesy · 12/07/2023 13:46

I think they were highlighting the limitations and lack of choices with the kind of help the institution can or typically does provide.

Why would there be limitations on the kind of help provided? She had access to the Portland’s services and Harry had a therapist. The Royal family have private physicians who are always on call. If she wanted residential care then that has also been provided to members of the Royal Family. I would have thought that, after Diana, the potential for someone needing mental health care would have been high on the agenda. And it was a particular area of interest for William and Harry.
As for not going to the Albert Hall, Meghan was pregnant. It would not have been surprising if she had been unable to attend because she was feeling “tired”. No one would have batted an eyelid.
Of course, we have no real idea what actually happened subsequently, but it is difficult to understand why it was so heavily implied that no help was available.

user01082312345 · 12/07/2023 13:54

costacoughee · 12/07/2023 13:46

@Iwantcakeeveryday No one here knows what help the institution offers. It's speculation. The obstetrician is the ideal person to get help as they deal with all pregnancy related issues. And harry , what stopped him getting help the following day or during the week or months that followed ?

Meghan implied help was denied because of the institutional factors.

This is the only thing people question. She said her passport was taken away. That clearly wasn't true. When you are caught out in a lie it's inevitable people question your version of the truth. To emphasise. No one denies she was struggling. What they question is help was denied to her

This.

So Harry wanted to put his suicidal, pregnant wife through a televised event to save face and prevent speculation? What was stopping him from seeking her help the following morning? Or they could have simply said she was suffering from pregnancy symptoms and was unable to attend. Kate missed quite a few outings due to morning sickness throughout her pregnancies.

Also the fact that it was proved they lied a total of seventeen times in the OW interview. When I heard Meghan say that they were already married prior to the televised ceremony, I felt like it was such a kick in the teeth to the British people who supported her wholeheartedly and welcomed her. And for her to gleefully laugh that it was all a charade and they'd somehow fooled us. Really happy the Archbishop told the truth following the interview! Either Meghan was grossly mistaken, or it was an outright lie.

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