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Omid Scobie writing tell all book

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CosmosQueen · 29/06/2023 07:23

The biographer of the Duke and Duchess of Sussexwarned that his next book will reveal moments that the Royal family should be “ashamed of”.
Omid Scobie claimed he was one of few journalists writing about the Royal family whose work was impartial and “spin-free”

As such, he said his forthcoming book, provocatively titled Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, would focus on the negative as much as the positive and would shine a light on “unsolved mysteries”
“Endgame not only looks at the successes of our Royal family but also the failures; the things to be proud of and those they should be ashamed of,” he wrote in the I newspaper

Just when will this end? I feel so sorry for their poor children who will have to live with the knowledge that their parents and his obnoxious individual were prepared to do anything to make money.

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Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:09

Howsimplywonderful · 06/07/2023 08:07

@Iwantcakeeveryday

The RF will manage just fine without Harry and Meghan.

Time will tell, won't it?

They'll manage no doubt, they're not going anywhere, but will they modernise, grow and evolve? Doubt it.

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:11

Iwantcakeeveryday · 06/07/2023 07:57

It was shared to show the stupid and childish reasons Meghan had an issue with Kate.

Other way round. There were plenty of articles written about it. Meghan referred to Kate as a good woman publicly. No such generosity from Kate towards Meghan.

Exactly. I think Meghan and Kate could not be more different, and that is and was the problem.

I do have sympathy with Meghan because how on earth do you break through within the archaic instituion when you are trying your best, you are warm and you hug people (I know it's an awful thing to do on MN, but not awful in real life for me, lots of people hug in my life!), you're American and talk about feelings and you dress down to meet or chat with your SIL. And that's the lip gloss thing too, it was probably Meghan trying to bond or be friendly.

And Kate who has for a decade or more had to watch what she says, has had to mould herself into this perfect wife of an heir, is wary and reserved because of her position. She is probably more icy and hard to get to know and that will have flummoxed Meghan. (This is not a criticism of Kate, she is like this because of her position, but it just made for a complete clash of personalitites of two very different people)

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:13

'They'll manageno doubt, they're not going anywhere, but will they modernise, grow and evolve? Doubt it.'

So you think the only reason they would have done would be if Harry and Meghan had stayed? You think Harry and Meghan would have been the sole instigators of modernisation, growth and evolution within the royal family?

Mylovelygreendress · 06/07/2023 08:16

I can already see changes since The Queen died for example walkabouts are much less formal . Can you imagine HM posing for a selfie ?? KC is happy to do so .Just a small thing but noticeable.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 06/07/2023 08:17

WinnieTheW0rm · 06/07/2023 08:07

Yes, they made bad decisions before.

Do you think they're trying to recover from that (by hiring/promoting someone who has an excellent reputation on the business side, and who started the cull)?

Or have some other reason for doing that? Or are so incompetent that they didn't have any idea what they were doing when they started making the changes last year?

Simmons has been with spotify awhile, in different roles. Their issue is their actual business model. Its going to be hard, some say impossible, for them to make profits they need to. I am not sure I would call them incompetent but to date they are not a successful company.

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:21

'This is not a criticism of Kate'.

Strange how it sounds like one.

We're back to the Oprah interview again aren't we? Meghan being all huggy and warm and natural (pigeon toed stance and a 'who, little old me?' expression) and Kate being all stiff and cold and unnatural. Or conversely just being a bit reserved on first meeting someone.

Harry has pointed out he has always been very wary of girls and women being interested in him because he's a wealthy prince rather than for himself - I should think William and Kate were very aware of this too, having seen Harry's girlfriends come and go.

Clash of personalities is probably right.

MrsLeonFarrell · 06/07/2023 08:21

I didn't really understand the hug story. I hug lots of people I'm close to but I don't hug people at a first meeting. As an illustration that Meghan and Catherine were different people it's fine but I don't think it can be used to attack or elevate either one of them. I hate the way the media pick up on any little detail and use it to try to cause trouble for one person or another.

I don't find Catherine stiff when I see footage of her, and I don't find Meghan overly informal. They are just different and bring different things to the table.

The thing I'm dreading most about this book being published is the papers being full of tiny incidents, like hugs or lip gloss being taken out of all proportion as defining characteristics of people and their relationships and social media picking them all up and amplifying them forever. I don't know Harry, Meghan, William, Catherine etc they seem to be people with strengths and weaknesses like the rest of us who are doing their best to live well in the roles they have either chosen or had thrust upon them.

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:23

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:13

'They'll manageno doubt, they're not going anywhere, but will they modernise, grow and evolve? Doubt it.'

So you think the only reason they would have done would be if Harry and Meghan had stayed? You think Harry and Meghan would have been the sole instigators of modernisation, growth and evolution within the royal family?

Could you point out where I said H&M would have been the sole instigators of modernisation? The only reason. Talk about trying to put words in my mouth 🤣😂
(I have a feeling you think this if you are trying to push this narrative on me!)

I didn't say that but it showed the Monarchy in a very bad light that this could not work. How many times have I read .. Meghan was a breath of fresh air! And yet all that went wrong, and they left. I think there were faults on both sides as far as the leaving to be honest. What a shame

I think the path to modernisation would have started if H&M stayed, I think now the RF have retreated and it's back to how it was, nothing changing. Charles promised slimmed down. Ain't happening. What he meant was less royals having more money through the SG. I think that as time goes on, the Monarchy will look more and more out of date and set in the past.

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:26

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:21

'This is not a criticism of Kate'.

Strange how it sounds like one.

We're back to the Oprah interview again aren't we? Meghan being all huggy and warm and natural (pigeon toed stance and a 'who, little old me?' expression) and Kate being all stiff and cold and unnatural. Or conversely just being a bit reserved on first meeting someone.

Harry has pointed out he has always been very wary of girls and women being interested in him because he's a wealthy prince rather than for himself - I should think William and Kate were very aware of this too, having seen Harry's girlfriends come and go.

Clash of personalities is probably right.

How tiresome. You want to paint it as criticism of Kate. How predictable you would do that.

Your second paragraph is you talking. NOT me. I wasn't talking about the OW interview. Just in general.

Two very different people. You can't deny that. And I have said endlessly how William is lucky to have Kate as she is perfect for the role in the Monarchy as it is.

So stop with this .. me criticising nonsense. Please.

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:30

You posted 'They'll manageno doubt, they're not going anywhere, but will they modernise, grow and evolve? Doubt it.'

in response to a comment that
'The RF will manage just fine without Harry and Meghan.'

What other interpretation could there be that the RF won't 'modernise, grow and evolve' without Harry and Meghan. The post was 2 sentences. There's not a lot of room for interpretation. But I obviously interpreted it incorrectly, sorry. Could you explain a little more?

Howsimplywonderful · 06/07/2023 08:31

@Roussette

You called kate ‘icy’ - is this not a bit misogynistic of you.
Would a man behaving the same way not be called professional ?

Mylovelygreendress · 06/07/2023 08:31

@Roussette you are absolutely correct saying that Meghan was reported to be a breath of fresh air . I too liked her at the start . It was wonderful to see Harry so happy . But the engagement interview rang the first warning bell with me - it seemed fake . Anyway I watched the wedding and genuinely wished them well but then came the Africa interview …..
I think the RF will do just fine . I was on the Royal Mile yesterday and contrary to what the SNP and Greens would have you believe , there were huge crowds . It was fabulous.

tigger2022 · 06/07/2023 08:33

imo the story is petty and doesn’t speak well of Harry that he thought it was worth bringing up all these years later… but I think the most serious offence is him treating Kate’s boundaries like they’re trivial and worth mocking, and that he can shame women’s boundaries out of them by publicly deriding them. Meghan did something similar when she publicly shamed Kate for not wanting to hug.

Mylovelygreendress · 06/07/2023 08:33

I don’t think Kate is “ icy”. Probably , and understandably, a bit reserved . With good reason as it turned out .

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:34

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:30

You posted 'They'll manageno doubt, they're not going anywhere, but will they modernise, grow and evolve? Doubt it.'

in response to a comment that
'The RF will manage just fine without Harry and Meghan.'

What other interpretation could there be that the RF won't 'modernise, grow and evolve' without Harry and Meghan. The post was 2 sentences. There's not a lot of room for interpretation. But I obviously interpreted it incorrectly, sorry. Could you explain a little more?

Read my last para on post at08.23

It could've been the path to modernisation and change.

Interpretations of posts may vary lol

Oblahbla · 06/07/2023 08:36

The one which starts 'I think the path to modernisation would have started if H&M stayed,'?

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:36

Mylovelygreendress · 06/07/2023 08:31

@Roussette you are absolutely correct saying that Meghan was reported to be a breath of fresh air . I too liked her at the start . It was wonderful to see Harry so happy . But the engagement interview rang the first warning bell with me - it seemed fake . Anyway I watched the wedding and genuinely wished them well but then came the Africa interview …..
I think the RF will do just fine . I was on the Royal Mile yesterday and contrary to what the SNP and Greens would have you believe , there were huge crowds . It was fabulous.

You have summed up everything I think about the endless criticism of Meghan.

You didn't take to her at the engagement. I have seen post after post like this.

"There was something about her I didn't like"
"I knew she was trouble as soon as I watched the engagement interview"
"she clutched his arm"
"she smiled too much"
"She was too touchy with Harry"

And so on

She never had a chance.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 06/07/2023 08:37

I think tis funny people are offended Kate is referred to as icy, the royals are known to be that way, heck British people are also known for it! Stiff upper lip and all that. The royals don't even hug, even when a child os told their mUm just died. So lets not pretend it isn't accurate or it is new.

As for boundaries, that's an interesting phrase to use in this context. Nobody has to hug. If someone is warm and hugs, that's ok too. The narrative was Meghan was the one acting inappropriately, so I think tis fine to show that there was a clash of personality and culture.

Howsimplywonderful · 06/07/2023 08:38

@Roussette

how are you any better ?

Kate didn’t hug Meghan ‘she was icy’

tigger2022 · 06/07/2023 08:39

Iwantcakeeveryday · 06/07/2023 08:37

I think tis funny people are offended Kate is referred to as icy, the royals are known to be that way, heck British people are also known for it! Stiff upper lip and all that. The royals don't even hug, even when a child os told their mUm just died. So lets not pretend it isn't accurate or it is new.

As for boundaries, that's an interesting phrase to use in this context. Nobody has to hug. If someone is warm and hugs, that's ok too. The narrative was Meghan was the one acting inappropriately, so I think tis fine to show that there was a clash of personality and culture.

If that’s the narrative take it up with Harry and Meghan, they said it. As you say, not wanting to hug is fine. Asserting your boundaries = great. Publicly shaming someone years later over their boundaries = not very nice.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 06/07/2023 08:40

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:36

You have summed up everything I think about the endless criticism of Meghan.

You didn't take to her at the engagement. I have seen post after post like this.

"There was something about her I didn't like"
"I knew she was trouble as soon as I watched the engagement interview"
"she clutched his arm"
"she smiled too much"
"She was too touchy with Harry"

And so on

She never had a chance.

yes exactly. People like to pretend it was only after Oprah that people started to dislike her but clearly that wasn't the case.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 06/07/2023 08:42

tigger2022 · 06/07/2023 08:39

If that’s the narrative take it up with Harry and Meghan, they said it. As you say, not wanting to hug is fine. Asserting your boundaries = great. Publicly shaming someone years later over their boundaries = not very nice.

The narrative existed about Meghan though. That she was mean to Kate, inappropriate, not doing things the way she should etc and Harry simply shared she was different and a lot friendlier at first with people than his family. The issues were over minor things that people should have brushed off.

DollyTheFluffyOne · 06/07/2023 08:42

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:11

Exactly. I think Meghan and Kate could not be more different, and that is and was the problem.

I do have sympathy with Meghan because how on earth do you break through within the archaic instituion when you are trying your best, you are warm and you hug people (I know it's an awful thing to do on MN, but not awful in real life for me, lots of people hug in my life!), you're American and talk about feelings and you dress down to meet or chat with your SIL. And that's the lip gloss thing too, it was probably Meghan trying to bond or be friendly.

And Kate who has for a decade or more had to watch what she says, has had to mould herself into this perfect wife of an heir, is wary and reserved because of her position. She is probably more icy and hard to get to know and that will have flummoxed Meghan. (This is not a criticism of Kate, she is like this because of her position, but it just made for a complete clash of personalitites of two very different people)

I'm surprised about this. I feel as if I have read this time and time again in some newspaper article where an author was full of guesses and suppositions.

Mylovelygreendress · 06/07/2023 08:45

Roussette · 06/07/2023 08:36

You have summed up everything I think about the endless criticism of Meghan.

You didn't take to her at the engagement. I have seen post after post like this.

"There was something about her I didn't like"
"I knew she was trouble as soon as I watched the engagement interview"
"she clutched his arm"
"she smiled too much"
"She was too touchy with Harry"

And so on

She never had a chance.

Sorry but she DID have a chance . Millions of people ( including me) enjoyed the wedding . We felt sorry about what happened with her Dad. We wished them well .

Mylovelygreendress · 06/07/2023 08:47

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but maybe if Meghan had taken her time , accepted support from Sophie/ Camilla / whoever rather than “ hit the ground running” things MIGHT have been different.

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