Harry and Megan dubbed "fucking grifters" Part Deux

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The old thread got closed, just as I was trying to quote tweet someone! So I've started this one, because this shitshow is still rumbling on

Also weird because I think on the whole the U.K. is less bigoted than the US.

I'm just going on the popularity polls at the time 🤷🏻‍♀️. Happy to accept I'm wrong and they were not universally loved by their target audience

Tbh, as part of a multi-racial family, I feel more free not to have to choose 'sides' in the UK. But I only spent a year in the US, so wouldn't assume my experience is typical. There is racism here in the UK, and I don't want to underplay it because it is signifcant, but not to the extent I experienced in the US

The Americans lapped up their victimhood status but as the attacks on family became more specific and the RF didn't respond but were sitting targets they became less and less convince

FFS who are these people you call 'the Americans '

Do you speak for the whole of the United States of America?

Give me strength

@Roussette I said this. 'I'm just going on the popularity polls at the time 🤷🏻‍♀️. Happy to accept I'm wrong and they were not universally loved by their target audience'

Calling Americans 'Americans ' is naming the inhabitants of a country by their designated nationality so I have no idea what is so offensive 🤷🏻‍♀️

The polls at the time suggested their popularity was high following the Oprah interview. When a poll rating is high it indicates the majority of Americans are favourable. Forgive my lack of absolute clarity in not breaking down the figures further but the information was not available

If that is an untrue statement please correct me.

Americans also have a high regard for family values... obviously a sweeping generalisation but I believe the majority do. As do most nationalities

When a poll rating is high it indicates the majority of Americans are favourable.

No it doesn't, it means that the majority of PEOPLE POLLED are favourable. Look at the sample size for their polls - they are often tiny - about 2,000 people out of 330 million. That's why polls are so notoriously unreliable in the run-up to, say, elections and why there are whole websites dedicated to collating the results of multiple polls to try and get more of an idea of how voters are skewing. And still, they're often really wrong. Look at the US election of 2016 - no-one though Trump would win. Look at Brexit - leave was expected to lose. Polls are, quite frankly, just so much nonsense on their own.

One poll means 'the Americans' all 330 million of them think Meghan and Harry are awful?!

I bet you, if the poll was positive, you'd rubbish it! But because it is negative, you are saying that this is the view of the whole of the USA... rightio!

Unfortunately nuance is lost when you only have a small screen phone!

@Roussette I said the polls were favourable after the OW interview!

Roussette is correct; polls can be made to say whatever's wanted, depending on who/how many are asked and how the questions are phrased

Nevertheless it's hard not to notice that, instead of accepting that this applies across the board, folk seize on them as if they're holy writ if the results happen to suit

The divorce rates here, the number of family estrangement here would say otherwise.

It’s just impossible to categorize “Americans”.

I will say that recently, I’ve heard a number of over 75s express criticism for H&M over their keeping the grandchildren away from Charles.

Also, most Americans don’t spend any time thinking about the monarchy, imperialism, the UK, the Royal Family at all.

None of it is remotely relevant to our lives. It’s not like we are still thinking about a war that happened before our houses were even built.

I’m sorry, I’m going to overpost. Because it’s just all so ridiculous. Not your post, but the current state of affairs.

Polls mean nothing. In fact, our actual opinions mean nothing. Half the American voters voted for Biden. The other half Trump. That should tell you something.

Even scarier, almost none on either side regret their vote or lack of better options. Not while there’s cocaine being found in the White House and a criminal standing on the Truman balcony. Not while an orange haired nutso was pumping up mentally ill people in hopes of inciting an insurrection.

I absolutely love my country, but it’s not made up of intellects. Honestly, it’s bizarre that H&M even wanted to move back here and raise their children.

Sympathy @AliceOlive , we've got our own nut jobs here too !

It’s just so strange how almost no one will admit when things are not normal!

Indeed! , I'm not keen on labelling all people for the actions of a few !
Some Americans can be stupid equals all Americans for example or some U.K. people are racist so all of the U.K. are racist!
Nobody is responsible for the actions of others , we are are own people.

I actually think in America they initially split down traditional lines where the right was generally unsympathetic and the left was generally sympathetic. I think that’s changed though, I think the left is turning against them.

I don’t really think every opinion is so split down the middle that way. Never has been, in my experience and we only starting believing that and categorizing people that way in the past decade or so.

@AliceOlive I'm glad it's you that's said those things. I've been anxious about American power since trump became president. Absolutely terrifying but I thought it was me overreacting. I was hoping Hilary would win as a little better than such an old man (Biden) but it appears I'm wrong and they are both looked askance at. And yet I have America friends I chat to and they are so intelligent and honourable. Fighting for disability rights and so on in Missoula.

The gun laws (I've tried to talk to people on the internet but hear more guns are actually safer), 😳 the OxyContin scandal and the conspiracy theories that blow your mind... and yet people are living normal lives when I talk to them! It's really confusing for people here to know what the real picture is.

Not to mention Roe v Wade ☹️

And the UK is becoming equally polarised

@costacoughee The problems go back much further than Trump. They are what gave us Trump actually. And Trump gave us Biden. Even 8 years earlier it was a joke to think Biden could win an election. But they paired an old white dude with a well-known name and a middle-of-the-road political reputation to assuage the types that wouldn’t vote for an unknown black man.

In my opinion we have a massive leadership deficit at many levels of American society.
The two party system has now completely failed. The constitution is outdated and no longer suited for purpose. The country is too big, maybe.

And personally, I don’t trust any of these people.

One thing though: look at the numbers of people that voted for Obama. That will tell you that we have the capability, on the whole, of putting race aside.

@AliceOlive I loved Obama and wish he could have done more but the strange Senate vs HOR (Hope I've got that right) seems to tie the hands of the lawful representative of the people? We have the House of Lords but they seem to tow whichever line the government order. And starting campaigning for 2 (?) years before the election plus the complicated state representation feels like the process stops only to start again very quickly. I agree far more local accountability but how does that work with a national strategy ? It's not an enviable system that's for sure.

The system is not really that complicated, it’s just being used in a way that was intended. They all care more about power than the good of the American people.

For example, we need longer terms, but with term limits across the board for all office. How can anyone in office do anything in 4 years while campaigning for the next term?

We need campaign finance reform but no one in power wants that!

The power of each party also means no one can get elected without them, then once a person is elected they are beholden to the party. The few that ever fuck their party are absolutely vilified.

Obama had time to do things that they never bothered to address. Roe v Wade? They played chicken. Maybe order to use it as a wedge issue, maybe they really didn’t care. Who knows. Gay marriage? same thing. They waited ages to address it when he had a majority and could have done so very quickly. Clinton could have, too but didn’t bother.

They aren’t all so different as they would like to make us believe.