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TrashyPanda · 18/06/2023 18:09

That fake phone call was so appalling.

AutumnCrow · 18/06/2023 18:10

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 17:59

I'd forgotten about the press coverage of Fergie. Wasn't there a headline saying Duchess of Pork or something, because she'd put some weight on? Horrible.

Yes. Parts of the tabloid press do love a play on words.

I'm trying to thing of what they'll do with Meghan if/when the Duchess of Dior deal isn't a thing. My current top two:

  1. 'Duchess of Eeyore - MM Has Gloomy Face After Dior Deal Fails' <with sad face photo>
  2. 'Duchess of Dior-rhea - MM Issues Word Salad Statement After Dior Deal Fails' <slightly defiant sad face photo>

It's time for my tablets.

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 18:11

Ellaelle · 18/06/2023 18:06

🙄🙄OK

What a strange way to respond to someone who asks you questions.

Howsimplywonderful · 18/06/2023 18:13

@AutumnCrow

no deal at Dior, that’s not very Christian

Howsimplywonderful · 18/06/2023 18:14

@AutumnCrow

no ‘New Look’ for Meghan ?

Viviennemary · 18/06/2023 18:26

No I cant see it happening. Quite a few of her outfitshave been very ill fitting. But she has got it right occasionally and looked nice..

Enko · 18/06/2023 18:26

WaterIris · 18/06/2023 16:30

I didn't think she was a Princess? If she is a Princess then why does she refer to herself as the Duchess of Sussex?

Technically she can call herself Princess Henry (Harry) but not Princess Meghan. However, the duchess's title is a higher title.

Bit like Catherine could call herself Princess William prior to becoming Princess of Wales. Even now despite what is often seen she is not "Princess Kate/Catherine" she is Catherine, Princess of Wales.

Gilmorehill · 18/06/2023 18:28

TrashyPanda · 18/06/2023 18:09

That fake phone call was so appalling.

I seem to recall the pair responsible trying to act like victims when everyone turned on them. Did they get fired?

Maireas · 18/06/2023 18:42

You're right, @Enko - but Kate is simply the Princess of Wales. Were she to divorce she would be Catherine, Princess of Wales.
Diana was the PssoW, then after divorce Diana, PssoW.

HundredMilesAnHour · 18/06/2023 18:51

Maireas · 18/06/2023 18:42

You're right, @Enko - but Kate is simply the Princess of Wales. Were she to divorce she would be Catherine, Princess of Wales.
Diana was the PssoW, then after divorce Diana, PssoW.

Don't forget that Kate is HRH whereas Diana wasn't (after her divorce).

Enko · 18/06/2023 18:57

EdithWeston · 18/06/2023 17:35

The coverage of Fergie was relentlessly bad, ditto Sophie Wessex at the time of the fake sheikh (ruin of the Royal family, absolutely calamitous, never recover!!)

Fergie we all got used to - she was always v loyal to HMQ and did actually work the things she turned her hand to in order to earn. And used her RL experience eh for WeightWatchers (considered deeply naff/downmarket at the time, but actually quite a good link, which played on the vicious epithets). The children's books weren't bad, and although the Mills and Boon are cloying she does seem to knock them out in a way that pleases the readership

Sophie just stuck her head down and did all the duties assigned to her. With no further scandal. And after a couple of decades it's paid off, and she really learned the ropes of a few key charities. She doesn't get the UK mass media coverage, but her work (esp when overseas) against rape as a tool of war, VAWG and FGM is having increasing impact - it's a shame we rarely hear about things like her visit to South Sudan. But it's built her reputation in the background, which is why she now gets positive coverage (to the extent that people forget just how bad it was, nor realise that's why the half in/ half out model was unthinkable)

I agree with a lot of this @EdithWeston I also however recall when Sarah originally did the WW deal there was a lot of press coverage about how poor it was she was "working" yet the year prior they had gone on and on about her having huge debths.. We didn't get anything positive over her ensuring she got out of this. As a rule over the years, there has been a lot of negative press about Sarah Duchess of York. Yet this is never considered bullying yet the moment there is one negative comment about Meghan it's " bullying and racism" in truth, not everyone will like everything we do so we will get some negative comments. For someone who marries into a royal family, this will go on the press in that country. I personally would actually call what Sarah went through bullying but i know others won't agree there.

Between Sarah and Meghan I think Sarah has managed this with style and yeas you said she has been loyal to the Royal family. I don't think Meghan has managed this well..

(Im aware that was likely not what you were commenting on)

I do agree re Sophie I can also recall when they married she was really not that well-liked by the public. I can recall articles claiming both Diana and Sarah complained Sophie was getting better treatment to get eased into the royal family than they had. Yet both Sarah and Diana were out of the Royal Family by this point. The press around the fake sheikh was bad I agree.

Bluebells1970 · 18/06/2023 18:58

Dior my arse. This is nothing more than puff PR, trying to make out that the podcasts/Netflix are something that they no longer wish to do and that they have bigger fish to fry.

They really did put the final nail in their coffins with that faked car chase in NYC. No brand with any integrity will work with them now.

Elior · 18/06/2023 19:02

My theory about the fake car chase was that it was the first layer in a story about the royal family arranging their deaths abroad via a high speed car chase as some claim they did to Diana. however, the fight with Backgrid and early contradictions from people who were there destroyed the plot before it got that far.

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 19:08

Bluebells1970 · 18/06/2023 18:58

Dior my arse. This is nothing more than puff PR, trying to make out that the podcasts/Netflix are something that they no longer wish to do and that they have bigger fish to fry.

They really did put the final nail in their coffins with that faked car chase in NYC. No brand with any integrity will work with them now.

Dior have had plenty of complaints about cultural misappropriation and, despite wholesale condemnation, never stopped, indeed still are, showing the Johnny Depp Sauvage ads. They're not going to bothered by a car chase and some grifter comments.

Spectre8 · 18/06/2023 19:10

Coconutsandpalmtrees · 18/06/2023 11:46

If she starts working with Dior, that will be the last thing I ever buy from them. I hope many others will also boycott them.

It has been reported by many staff members that she is a bully. Many have quit working for her.

Personally I think its ridiculous to boycott a company over a person. If I like a product a company is selling I buy it, I dont give two fucks about their advertising campaigns and who they use.

I love dior makeup and ill continue to buy it and will only stop if they suddenly change their formula and it is crap.

skullbabe · 18/06/2023 19:11

Ellaelle · 18/06/2023 16:25

So exciting! Very happy for princess Meghan what a fabulous opportunity, this will make a lot of people cry though lol I hope she laughs all the way to the bank!

I mean she isn’t a princess but if this is a real opportunity it is in everyone’s interest to wish her the best.

Enko · 18/06/2023 19:15

Maireas · 18/06/2023 18:42

You're right, @Enko - but Kate is simply the Princess of Wales. Were she to divorce she would be Catherine, Princess of Wales.
Diana was the PssoW, then after divorce Diana, PssoW.

Yes, I agree she is " HRH The Princess of Wales" As I understand it we do not fully know what she would be if they divorced. Diana's title was agreed upon as a part of her divorce settlement. It would be up to the negotiations if Catherine would follow this. Let's hope that doesn't happen :)

My answer to the earlier questions as to why Meghan was not calling herself Princess. She could call herself Princess Henry if she wanted. Charlotte, Lilibeth, Beatrice and Eugenie (even technically Louise though unlikely she ever will) as blood princesses can call themselves "princess first name"

Maireas · 18/06/2023 19:17

You're quite right! She is not Princess Meghan, but Princess Harry. Understandably the Duchess title is better. I always feel a bit sorry for Princess Michael of Kent for that reason.

skullbabe · 18/06/2023 19:18

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 17:22

OK read it.

The source said: 'Ari won't make those kind of mistakes. He's super connected, tough and brilliant.'

The source wouldn't happen to be Ari, would it? 😂😂😂

Its a sad piece. There's nothing really positive about either Meghan or Harry. The whole article is more about the stoking up the reputation of the brilliance of Ari Emanuel that it is about Meghan, who's being portrayed as some kind of puppet who isn't bright enough to make any decisions on her own but needs a few good men to advise her. The adults in the room.

Ugh. How patronising.

My thoughts exactly - this was not a positive piece.

Serenster · 18/06/2023 19:19

Dior have had plenty of complaints about cultural misappropriation and, despite wholesale condemnation, never stopped, indeed still are, showing the Johnny Depp Sauvage ads. They're not going to bothered by a car chase and some grifter comments.

Dior already had Johnny Depp signed up as the face of Sauvage (from 2015), and had sunk a lot of money into the brand and campaigns. It’s not an easy decision for a company to essentially write all that off and start again. Look how long Adidas dithered about cancelling contracts with Kanye West for its Yeezy range. After finally doing so Adidas said that if it decided not to repurpose its remaining unsold Yeezy stock it would hit its operating profit by €500m - that’s obviously a big loss.

It’s far easier not to start a relationship with someone than to ditch an existing, well-established one!

Elior · 18/06/2023 19:22

Depp may be crummy and unpleasant now, but he was the ultimate A List actor and heartthrob for decades before that. He is also in a cool band and the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll image is only going to sell more stock for them. As far as they are concerned, he was cleared in court so is now something of a hero. I don't really understand why he is being compared to Meghan at all?

Howsimplywonderful · 18/06/2023 19:23

for all those teenage boys Johnny Depp was Captain Sparrow.

Howsimplywonderful · 18/06/2023 19:25

@Elior

we we’re just looking at ‘how safe’ Dior like to play it with their celebrities

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 19:26

Serenster · 18/06/2023 19:19

Dior have had plenty of complaints about cultural misappropriation and, despite wholesale condemnation, never stopped, indeed still are, showing the Johnny Depp Sauvage ads. They're not going to bothered by a car chase and some grifter comments.

Dior already had Johnny Depp signed up as the face of Sauvage (from 2015), and had sunk a lot of money into the brand and campaigns. It’s not an easy decision for a company to essentially write all that off and start again. Look how long Adidas dithered about cancelling contracts with Kanye West for its Yeezy range. After finally doing so Adidas said that if it decided not to repurpose its remaining unsold Yeezy stock it would hit its operating profit by €500m - that’s obviously a big loss.

It’s far easier not to start a relationship with someone than to ditch an existing, well-established one!

Depp's just signed a £20m contract with Dior. Last month, I think. The biggest male signing for a perfume/fragrance. They never had any intention of ditching Depp. They can see from sales what's really happening.
Dior is not worried about what the world says they think. Dior cares about the bottom line. As I said, car chases and grifters aren't going to bother them if enough people will see and buy.

Elior · 18/06/2023 19:29

Depp is not just safe, he's a dead cert. I don't think they ever saw him as a risky choice.
Brand ambassadors have more wiggle room than runway models but even then, the agencies are left to do the telling off and break the bad news rather than the labels directly.

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