The trials and tribulations of Harry - thread 2

[TrashyPanda]

Continuation of

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4812092-ph-lost-bid-to-challenge-for-right-to-pay-home-office-for-his-security?page=10&reply=126688485

Totally agree. I wish the pair of them would just shut up and live quietly now. He needs to start looking forwards not backwards and respecting the right of others to privacy.

I believe you're thinking of Merle Oberon.

As I've said before on another thread ages ago .... he's a knob!

Yes! Thank you. I think I’ve read a bio & Viv Leigh had bi polar (?) & life was colourful. Don’t think that was Merle (?)

Part of me wishes H will get the call from God and leave everything behind to become a Trappist monk or something. He would actually then be a happier, more useful member of the community and we won’t have to hear him.

He could become a Stylite (ascetics who sat on top of columns).

it would give him the attention he craves, but at the same time remove him from anything to complain about.

BBC:
Harry says he took the case against Mirror Group Newspapers to stop "hate" towards his wife Meghan

is that ever going to happen, whether he wins or loses? Does this case have any bearing on opinions about Meghan?

Aren’t his claims are based on pre-Meghan days?

is that ever going to happen, whether he wins or loses? Does this case have any bearing on opinions about Meghan?

Aren’t his claims are based on pre-Meghan days?

I don't think Harry really understands what the court case is for, he just sees it as another channel to vent his perceived injustices.

I found Newscast interesting last night. Andrew Neil basically said, give up your vendetta Harry, you won the battle 10 years ago with the Leveson inquiry. You live in America now, if you have a problem with your press coverage there, fight it over there. He reckoned that Harry might win on one or two of the articles but that the rest were basically bollocks.

' I don't think Harry really understands what the court case is for, he just sees it as another channel to vent his perceived injustices'

He seems to be, just using it as a 'Spare part 2'. Or footage for reality show part 2.

What a fool he is. How on earth can he not see that he has dished the gossip in the very same way that tabloid reporters do. Granted I'm not suggesting he hacks phones but from what we've heard so far he has no evidence that anyone hacked his. Perhaps he has surrounded himself with blabbermouths all his life.

He’s two more court cases coming up. Maybe that will be what his next book is about ‘ I took on the press and won’

How on earth can he not see that he has dished the gossip in the very same way that tabloid reporters do.

I don't know. And what's worse is that he has done it to people that he says he cares about. I think that's why a lot of us on here don't like him. It was bad enough when he decided to invade the privacy of his own family for cash. But to then moan about the same being done to him is so hypocritical. I find his arrogance that he is right and everyone else is wrong combined with all the hypocrisy absolutely maddening. And I struggle to understand when people on here try to defend him over it. If people in real life behaved like he has we would give them a wide berth because they are untrustworthy but when it comes to Harry some people seem to think that that behaviour is fine.

Being old, that made me think of this:

i fought the law
and the law won

and the video even has a wee clip of the then Prince Charles giving a wee shrug! Spooky or what?

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees - yes, the hypocrisy and the lies and the generally nasty behaviour.

was he always like this? Was it just well-hidden by really good PR?

is Meghan bearing burden of the real Harry emerging?

I don’t have any sympathy for either of them. Self absorbed, narcissistic and entitled.

Over time, they gave been given bandwidth well in excess of anything they said or did that was worth anyone's time. They actively hustled for most of it, they probably didn't want the critical element of it. However, it has now got to the point that people wince at articles about them and dread their phony self-publicity and selective fake-nice gestures. They need to focus on their lives in America and leave alone Britain and everything they hate about it because we are not interested in changing our culture or institutions to win their approval.

“Harry’s truth” is now widely mocked because people know not to trust what he says.

his truth = biased version that does not stand up to scrutiny

his truth = bitchy remarks about William, who has wisely kept his mouth shut and not lashed out in anger like Harry.

Does he have other court cases to return to the U.K. for or can we assume we might now enter a period of non- past looking non-royal strife stuff

I believe there are others too - the legal people would know more - but there's certainly the one over whether Ravec made their decision around security correctly

Harry lost the one about the right to pay for security himself, but the above is definitely still to come

We can all lash out in anger. It is how we deal with it after that counts.

Unfortunately I do think the things that Harry has said have been more measured and considered than that when it came to some revelations. Just not enough consideration was given.

Yes, he told his truth. Although I think that words were chosen carefully to cause hurt, speculation and ultimately mistrust.

I don’t think it was intended to shine that spotlight right back on him but like it or not, it did.

You could argue - in the style of the muppets - ‘one of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not the same’ and perhaps that is correct.

Ultimately, in both instances, they have had the same result. Upset, mistrust, betrayal, the damage to relationships and anger.

They are not that different after all.

And that is why it feels so hypocritical.

In his statement as to why he brought the case he said it was to counter the negative criticism his wife Meghan faced. So there you have it. Not crusading for press reform. Not for his lost girlfriends. For Meghan.

Was it just well-hidden by really good PR?

Pretty much, I reckon.

I wonder if Piers Morgan will be testifying in this trial?

Yes, that's right. Merle had a very colourful life herself, but in a different way.
She was brought up believing her grandmother Charlotte was her mother, and her mother her "sister". Her mother Constance was only 12 when she had Merle.
She was also in a horrific car accident and had extensive facial injuries - her then husband invented a new lighting system "the Obie" so her scars would be almost hidden on film.

I love reading about old Hollywood. Gossip and scandal mags are not new. Hollywood stars lived in fear of the gossip columns and careers could be ruined.

In his statement as to why he brought the case he said it was to counter the negative criticism his wife Meghan faced

But what the hell's that got to do with him allegedly being hacked - and so long ago at that?

Frankly it smacks to me of "the little boy who couldn't save his mum", and anyway isn't it something of a hostage to fortune if things don't go exactly as he wants?

He’s two more court cases coming up.

There's another two against newspapers.

Harry has two other lawsuits against British tabloids related to illicit information-gathering: One is against the publisher of The Daily Mail and The Mail on Sunday, and involves other plaintiffs, including the singer Elton John and the actresses Sadie Frost and Elizabeth Hurley. The other lawsuit is against the publisher of The Sun, owned by Rupert Murdoch. Both publishers deny the allegations and have asked to have the cases dismissed. A judgment is expected in the coming months.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/prince-harry-uk-privacy-lawsuits.html#:~:text=Harry%2C%20the%20Duke%20of%20Sussex,three%20ongoing%20lawsuits%20against%20newspapers.

Then there one against home office around security arrangements.

In his statement as to why he brought the case he said it was to counter the negative criticism his wife Meghan faced

I have to admit being confused by this - but maybe he's hoping to smear the tabloids and paint them as unreliable - problem is that is how they are often seen anyway.

why should he shut up? He has as much right to a life he chooses, public or private, as anyone else. How would you like ti if someone said that to you? go away and live a quiet life never to be heard from again, no social media or anything? You have no clue if he is looking forward or not. People suing someone for illegal actions against them are not 'living in the past' its about justice. Since the tories bailed on Leveson 2 its up to individuals and I support ALL the claimants, none of whom I would charge with living in the past simply because they use our justice system to right a wrong against them.