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googlejourney · 07/06/2023 20:21

Apparently he mentioned Chelsey 116 times while being questioned on the stand...I'm sure she's bloody delighted at being dragged back into the spotlight...a spotlight she ran from many years ago.

TrashyPanda · 07/06/2023 20:22

Sadly, I don’t think Harry is ever going to be happy.

he’s been deeply affected by press intrusion into his life, but seems to be grasping at straws in this case. Just my opinion, but I think he tends to blame the press for everything that doesn’t go well in his life - broken romances, rows with his close family members. He has very deep resentment, possibly all stemming from jealousy of William. And now William is one of his biggest targets, because he didn’t do what Harry wanted. And none of this is making Harry happy.

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Stalkedbyzombies · 07/06/2023 20:24

WigsNGowns · 07/06/2023 20:08

. KCs get affected the most because there are less people willing to pay £700 plus per hour. David must have died and gone to heaven when he applied the patter on a wealthy prince and it worked!

He's not a KC! It's a famous thing about him.
https://www.5rb.com/barristers/

Oops, I was mixing him up with Carine Patry Hoskins with whom he had the affair - discussing the case in Santorini and all that!

Serenster · 07/06/2023 20:37

Just Carine Patry now, StalkedbyZombies. Unfortunately her marriage didn’t survive the Santorini trip 👀

WigsNGowns · 07/06/2023 20:39

@Serenster I know.

I think this is another example. It is really not a good place to be when your own witness - the party you represent - is giving evidence about you the barrister
https://www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-harry-mgn-news-latest-royal

Apparently Harry answered this question as follows:

Andrew Green KC, for MGN, asked him: “When did you first go to solicitors to seek advice about a possible claim against MGN?”
Harry, giving evidence on his second day in the witness box, replied: “I didn’t go to them. I bumped into Mr Sherborne in France… it’s in my book.”

This is potentially really serious because if something like this is a central issue or if the barrister disagrees with the evidence, the barrister is in a conflict position - because he or she has become part of the evidence and may become professionally embarrassed.

In a worse case scenario, the Defendants could say they want to witness summons (subpoena) the barrister to give evidence and then you are in aposition of potentially having to start the trial again with all the costs it involves.

The independence of the bar is one of its strengths and why barristers are instructed because unlike the solicitor, they have a bit of distance from the client.
Generally (there are exceptions) barristers should not meet their clients in a professional context alone - not least for their own protection to avoid the client saying 'he told me to do xyz'. If you think about criminal cases, you could see where this could be a mine field.

I would think to say that judge would not be impressed by the witness giving evidence about his own barrister like this is a huge understatement. Likely to be subject of much judicial rumblings I would think - just my opinion.

Prince Harry has 'thrown his lawyers under the bus' by stumbling through court grilling

Questions posed to the Duke were repeatedly met with 'I don't know'

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-harry-mgn-news-latest-royal

Nofixedabodewell · 07/06/2023 20:44

TrashyPanda · 07/06/2023 20:22

Sadly, I don’t think Harry is ever going to be happy.

he’s been deeply affected by press intrusion into his life, but seems to be grasping at straws in this case. Just my opinion, but I think he tends to blame the press for everything that doesn’t go well in his life - broken romances, rows with his close family members. He has very deep resentment, possibly all stemming from jealousy of William. And now William is one of his biggest targets, because he didn’t do what Harry wanted. And none of this is making Harry happy.

He seems to spend all his time looking back at things that have happened instead of looking forward. He is very rich and has a beautiful house, doesn’t have to work and has two beautiful children. He has married the love of his life according to him, and they are reportedly blissfully happy. They have staff and all the time in the world to enjoy their family life. Why can’t he count his blessings and stop raking over the cold coals of his past? He’s full of bitterness, jealousy and resentment when he’s been incredibly fortunate in so many ways.

AutumnCrow · 07/06/2023 20:48

Serenster · 07/06/2023 18:32

That was quite an extraordinary revelation. “How lovely to meet you, your Royal Highness! Tell me…have you ever had a private conversation at work disclosed that wasn’t your fault…??” 🤣🤣

I wonder if the meeting was before or after Harry's (May 2018) wedding? Chelsy Davey was invited to the wedding and attended, I have read. Which tbh I thought pointed to an enduring friendship.

If she would give evidence for Harry's claim it would be very significant, would it not? But I gather she isn't.

I hope the other claimants get justice.

DedicatedFolllowerofFashion · 07/06/2023 20:54

TrashyPanda · 07/06/2023 20:22

Sadly, I don’t think Harry is ever going to be happy.

he’s been deeply affected by press intrusion into his life, but seems to be grasping at straws in this case. Just my opinion, but I think he tends to blame the press for everything that doesn’t go well in his life - broken romances, rows with his close family members. He has very deep resentment, possibly all stemming from jealousy of William. And now William is one of his biggest targets, because he didn’t do what Harry wanted. And none of this is making Harry happy.

I have to agree with this. It's all actually getting rather sad now as I feel nothing will ever please him or make him happy.

Nofixedabodewell · 07/06/2023 21:01

DedicatedFolllowerofFashion · 07/06/2023 20:54

I have to agree with this. It's all actually getting rather sad now as I feel nothing will ever please him or make him happy.

As time goes on and his children grow up not knowing their cousins , grandfathers or Uncle , I think Harry will begin to realise what he’s lost.

polkadotdalmation · 07/06/2023 21:08

Initially I was sure Harry was hacked because of the reasons he gave, but have since learned the other cases of hacking were proven by BT handing over data to show how many times and when phones were accessed for their voicemails. I think this is how they know catherines phone was hacked over 500 times.

I have no doubt Harry has had press intrusion all his life, but now think its more likely people taking backhanders to sell stories about him. Unutterably sad that even your friends betray you, and a solid reason for his paranoia.

Ultimately none of this will make him happy, and I cannot help but think if he had the kind of relationship he is painted to have with his wife, he would not look so miserable and would not be looking back all the time. Happy people, contented people do not seek out this misery. He has left this country. He has a wife and family and a lovely home. Most people would find this mentally healing if he was happy there. So either all is not well for him in california, or he is so mentally unwell he can't move forward.

Why crusade in a country you are no longer living in, for press restrictions? Ultimately he is trying to gag the press. That is a restriction on freedom of speech and a threat to democracy.

The ills with the press are from 20 odd years ago. There are greater restrictions now, and they only need tweaking to prevent harm to innocent people, but the press exposed multiple stories of wrongdoing over many many years. Stephen Lawrence would not have got justice had the press been gagged. Prince Harry would better serve justice if he campaigned for the true injustices that still exist, and stop meddling in people's freedoms.

My sympathy for Harry went (like so many other peoples) when he set out with meghan to destroy the privacy of the royal family, if not the institution itself, while his grandfather was dying and again while his grandmother was very ill and dying. To do this all to his family at that time, lying and destroying their privacy, is just unforgiveable.

MayQueeen · 07/06/2023 21:24

‘while his grandfather was dying and again while his grandmother was very ill and dying. To do this all to his family at that time, lying and destroying their privacy, is just unforgiveable’

Yes that was utterly savage. Families fall out, it happens- but if a relative of mine had aired dirty laundry publicly for money, when they were pretty well off anyway, I’d be heartbroken.

Hellbent on controlling narratives, and acting self righteous no matter what, usually tactics of controlling narcissistic types

Elior · 07/06/2023 21:27

It feels like another desperate act of scavenging for money. It does not occur to him that it is not his birthright to have whatever he likes on his own terms. They need to downgrade their lifestyle to match their joint earning potential.

Gilmorehill · 07/06/2023 21:44

It is a bit weird that he is seemingly bitter that his relationship with Chelsea was allegedly sabotaged by the press. That may be true but if he is happily married to Meghan with two lovely children, why does he care? If that hadn’t happened, he wouldn’t have met and married Meghan. Surely then he should be pleased how things turned out and not look back with regret? Unless he still pines for what might have been with Chelsea….

MoirasSaggyBundles · 07/06/2023 21:51

I was listening to an interview with a barrister earlier, and as I understand it, "Harry's lawyers" are in fact Hugh Grant's lawyers - the Hacked Off group going after MGN, spear-headed by Grant, has pushed forward Harry's case as the test case (possibly as a fishing expedition to see what evidence comes out evidentially from the defence) and Harry has not had his own independent legal advice as to the strength of his case. This could account for why there is a bit of disconnect between Harry's "case" on paper evidence, and Harry's live testimony and actual knowledge about what was said in the press, by whom, and when, and whether he actually read it at the time(in order to qualify for damages pertaining to being hurt by revelations contemporaneously).

Nofixedabodewell · 07/06/2023 22:11

polkadotdalmation · 07/06/2023 21:08

Initially I was sure Harry was hacked because of the reasons he gave, but have since learned the other cases of hacking were proven by BT handing over data to show how many times and when phones were accessed for their voicemails. I think this is how they know catherines phone was hacked over 500 times.

I have no doubt Harry has had press intrusion all his life, but now think its more likely people taking backhanders to sell stories about him. Unutterably sad that even your friends betray you, and a solid reason for his paranoia.

Ultimately none of this will make him happy, and I cannot help but think if he had the kind of relationship he is painted to have with his wife, he would not look so miserable and would not be looking back all the time. Happy people, contented people do not seek out this misery. He has left this country. He has a wife and family and a lovely home. Most people would find this mentally healing if he was happy there. So either all is not well for him in california, or he is so mentally unwell he can't move forward.

Why crusade in a country you are no longer living in, for press restrictions? Ultimately he is trying to gag the press. That is a restriction on freedom of speech and a threat to democracy.

The ills with the press are from 20 odd years ago. There are greater restrictions now, and they only need tweaking to prevent harm to innocent people, but the press exposed multiple stories of wrongdoing over many many years. Stephen Lawrence would not have got justice had the press been gagged. Prince Harry would better serve justice if he campaigned for the true injustices that still exist, and stop meddling in people's freedoms.

My sympathy for Harry went (like so many other peoples) when he set out with meghan to destroy the privacy of the royal family, if not the institution itself, while his grandfather was dying and again while his grandmother was very ill and dying. To do this all to his family at that time, lying and destroying their privacy, is just unforgiveable.

Totally agree

WigsNGowns · 07/06/2023 22:13

Why crusade in a country you are no longer living in, for press restrictions? Ultimately he is trying to gag the press. That is a restriction on freedom of speech and a threat to democracy.

Weirder still is his own behaviour moving to America. Whatever you think of the UK press, it was more restrained around the Royals because of "agreements" with the palace - for example William was basically left alone at St Andrews and because he had police security. They weren't really treated like 'celebs' - papped at every opportunity, putting the bins out etc.

In the USA, it's much more free for all and pretty much you can't really sue for or stop any kind of press intrusion because the rights of freedom of expression are very highly weighted.

If you were seriously worried about it, it makes zero sense to move to America. zero.

StartupRepair · 07/06/2023 22:21

Harry seems to think that his role is to tell the judge all the terrible things that have happened and the judge will find the evidence. He has been terribly badly advised or has not listened. He must indeed be difficult to work for.
He has also completely undermined the selling point of him and Meghan as a great love story and a couple destined to be together.

storminamooncup · 07/06/2023 22:25

Its weird he's going to court about stories about his ex, whom he broke up with years ago and who has a husband (and kids?) now. It sounds like he's angry they broke up or something and is trying to blame the media for it, rather than having any concrete proof. And Megan is okay with him talking about his ex?

TheCrystalPalace · 07/06/2023 22:27

I'm not sure going to America was Harry's first choice. My theory is that Meghan was going back regardless, as she'd had it with the UK. He therefore had little choice but to follow her.

Nofixedabodewell · 07/06/2023 22:27

I was just going to say the same.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 07/06/2023 22:37

WigsNGowns · 07/06/2023 22:13

Why crusade in a country you are no longer living in, for press restrictions? Ultimately he is trying to gag the press. That is a restriction on freedom of speech and a threat to democracy.

Weirder still is his own behaviour moving to America. Whatever you think of the UK press, it was more restrained around the Royals because of "agreements" with the palace - for example William was basically left alone at St Andrews and because he had police security. They weren't really treated like 'celebs' - papped at every opportunity, putting the bins out etc.

In the USA, it's much more free for all and pretty much you can't really sue for or stop any kind of press intrusion because the rights of freedom of expression are very highly weighted.

If you were seriously worried about it, it makes zero sense to move to America. zero.

Harry has been railing against the First Amendment right in the US, calling it madness. I'm sure that's been going down well.

tigger2022 · 07/06/2023 22:51

It sounds like Chelsy was the love of his life, all quite sad really

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 07/06/2023 22:55

StartupRepair · 07/06/2023 22:21

Harry seems to think that his role is to tell the judge all the terrible things that have happened and the judge will find the evidence. He has been terribly badly advised or has not listened. He must indeed be difficult to work for.
He has also completely undermined the selling point of him and Meghan as a great love story and a couple destined to be together.

Exactly.

This is a disastrous performance. Does he have no advisors at all?

upinaballoon · 07/06/2023 23:13

TheCrystalPalace · 07/06/2023 22:27

I'm not sure going to America was Harry's first choice. My theory is that Meghan was going back regardless, as she'd had it with the UK. He therefore had little choice but to follow her.

Yes. One of my friends says that. Do I remember correctly? After the Africa trip in the summer/autumn(?) it was announced that they were going to the USA and having a break - six weeks or something on those lines - and Harry came back later that year, but Meghan stayed over there, and wasn't here for the Sandringham summit etc.

upinaballoon · 07/06/2023 23:28

From where I've been looking since the Oprah interview Harry is more trapped than he thinks his father and brother are, but in a different way. They are getting on with their jobs, like most 'trapped' people in the country.

Getting rid of old anger can take time and he seems to have much to get rid of. Perhaps he is slowly working his way through it. Someone up-thread has wondered if has a good therapist.

Who's giving evidence tomorrow? Rhetorical question. And so to bed.......

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