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SweetTooth2 · 2023-05-22T14:00:15+00:00

What is it about H&M and/or the royals, that gets people so angry and worked up? People being pretty hostile to each other on the royal threads these days? There seem to be quite fierce emotions in defence of H&M and also attacking them. What's it all about do you think? Why all the hostility on these boards on either side? (Obviously loads of people not being hostile. I fully acknowledge that! Just wondering why ^some^ posters have so much emotion for or against, and why the hostility to those with differing opinions. What is being ignited or triggered in people?)

Grumpyfroghats · 23/05/2023 10:20

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 10:13

Thanks for posting that.

I don't say four a minute that the US does not have a race problem, the US, like South Africa, is a country built on a foundation of racial inequality and discrimination.

But the US is far more willing to confront that problem head on, not always with success, but the conversations happen and the activism, court action etc do happen.

My point is that in the UK, the minute the conversation is even raised, it is shouted down.

There is a dangerous creep towards labelling anything to do with race as "woke". And there is a dangerous lumping together of several issues, which makes it easy to dismiss.

I am convinced that if the McPherson Inquiry were to release its findings today, they would be dismissed as woke leftist nonsense.

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I partly agree but I think you're overselling it.

Despite Gary Tyler's conviction being an obvious and clear miscarriage of justice - as pointed out by Amnesty international, there was no willingness to let him out of prison without him having to say he was guilty. That's not tackling things head on. He was freed eventually in 2016, it's still recent

friendlycat · 23/05/2023 10:23

Serenster · 23/05/2023 10:20

I ask whether OP has a problem with Carole Middleton who is seen in public more than Doria has ever been.

I think that’s a silly argument to make, given Kate Middleton has been in the public eye since she was outed as William’s girlfriend 20 years ago. Of course that got her family got press attention too, and they lived in the UK and attended public events as well as family occasions that were photographed. Meghan and Harry’s relationship hands only been public for 6 years, and Doria lives in Los Angeles. Of course there are more pictures of Carole Middleton. What’s your point?

Not to mention that Carole and Mike Middleton are the PILs of the future King and Queen and the Grandparents of their children, one of whom is destined to be King.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 10:28

Serenster · 23/05/2023 10:20

I ask whether OP has a problem with Carole Middleton who is seen in public more than Doria has ever been.

I think that’s a silly argument to make, given Kate Middleton has been in the public eye since she was outed as William’s girlfriend 20 years ago. Of course that got her family got press attention too, and they lived in the UK and attended public events as well as family occasions that were photographed. Meghan and Harry’s relationship hands only been public for 6 years, and Doria lives in Los Angeles. Of course there are more pictures of Carole Middleton. What’s your point?

My point is that Doria has attended just 6 events in 7 years with Meghan, and that is somehow seen as too much.

These events include her daughter's wedding, and the christening of her first grandchild.

She also attended Meghan's first solo event to launch the Grenfell cookbook.

These are the only events she has attended in the UK. Just three.

The other three events were Invictus in 2017 in Canada, and the NAACP and Ms Foundation awards which happened in her own country, the US, not the UK.

So people bitching that it is weird that she is with them all the time are simply wrong, and have an agenda that is not about mothers of royals being seen in public with their daughters.

skullbabe · 23/05/2023 10:38

It’s the rewriting of history that is very apparent by some posters that is absolutely amazing

polkadotdalmation · 23/05/2023 10:41

@SweetTooth2 I think you can see clearly demonstrated now, the point posters at the start of this thread were making, how everything becomes about a certain subject, and is forced into divisiveness, personal insults, diversionary tactics, deflection, insults and supporting M&H with no reasoned arguments to support their claims.

As I have now been openly attacked and lied about, I'm out. This thread is now going the way of all the others. Good luck with it.

LadyMuckingabout · 23/05/2023 10:48

@MrsMaxDeWinter - I’m sorry, I did mean Nottingham Cottage. My mistake. As for wanting Windsor Castle - yes, Harry asked for it but for when the Queen died. The original conceit was a tandem court but this was given the bum’s rush.

Serenster · 23/05/2023 10:48

So people bitching that it is weird that she is with them all the time are simply wrong, and have an agenda that is not about mothers of royals being seen in public with their daughters.

So why are you responding by comparing her to Carole Middleton then? If you think people were bitching about Doria (your words) why drag Carole into it at all?

8roses · 23/05/2023 10:52

Megan looks the spits of Scobie in that picture with Doria

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 11:04

@skullbabe

These threads are something else.

I was on two threads about the paparazzi in New York. It was genuinely nasty and unpleasant. People posting the intrusive pap photos that even the Daily Mail had taken down.

Those threads were then deleted. When threads are deleted, it is easy to lie about what people wrote.

But me, I'm like House Mormont.

House Mormont remembers. The North remembers. 😁

Cowparslee · 23/05/2023 11:08

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 10:06

Meghan and Harry were talking about how small Nottingham Cottage was, not Frogmore Cottage. William and Kate even lived there before they had kids, and it is understood to be the Royal version of a bachelor or studio flat. When they got married they were given Frogmore, and have nothing but good things to say about their time there.

I have no idea what you mean when you say Harry asked for Windsor Castle. As far as I know, there are apartments at Windsor Castle, including where the Queen lived. Are you saying that he asked for his grandparents to be turfed out so he could move in to the whole castle, or was an apartment in the Castle discussed?

As for stuff Meghan is supposed to have said: I don't believe most it, especially if it's stuff from Tom Bower. Tom Bower has been saying Kate refused to curtsey to Camila at the coronation, Kate wanted Meghan to sit at the back of the Abbey, the Queen said thank God Meghan is not coming etc.

FYI, regarding Doria, before she was a Royal, Meghan took her mother to events like her UN Women speech. So forgive me if I take your opinions about Meghan using Doria with a healthy dose of scepticism.

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Harry and Meghan sked the queen for apartments in Windsor castle - the response was a firm NO - they got Frogmore Cottage instead.

There was speculation at the time that they wanted to have the queen's ear and set up a rival court to the Cambridge's. I wouldn't be surprised if being denied an enviable main base in a castle/palace was was started the resentment which led to their departure...

https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/royal-news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-wanted-live-windsor-castle

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle originally wanted to live in Windsor Castle

But the Queen offered Frogmore Cottage instead

https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/royal-news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-wanted-live-windsor-castle

Cowparslee · 23/05/2023 11:09

skullbabe · 23/05/2023 10:38

It’s the rewriting of history that is very apparent by some posters that is absolutely amazing

What history is being rewritten?

Howsimplywonderful · 23/05/2023 11:10

I see Harry has lost his case against the Home Office.

LadyMuckingabout · 23/05/2023 11:13

I heard from a really good source about Windsor Castle. And yes, they wanted it as it is a “proper castle”, near Heathrow, near London and therefore they could have been hosting Hollywood A Listers whilst the rest of the rf handled the dreary stuff.

Morestrangerthings · 23/05/2023 11:16

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 11:04

@skullbabe

These threads are something else.

I was on two threads about the paparazzi in New York. It was genuinely nasty and unpleasant. People posting the intrusive pap photos that even the Daily Mail had taken down.

Those threads were then deleted. When threads are deleted, it is easy to lie about what people wrote.

But me, I'm like House Mormont.

House Mormont remembers. The North remembers. 😁

😂that was funny MrsMaxDeWinter,

And, indeed, you and House Mormont have excellent memories.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 11:18

Morestrangerthings · 23/05/2023 11:16

😂that was funny MrsMaxDeWinter,

And, indeed, you and House Mormont have excellent memories.

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One of my favourite scenes ever.

Bless that lovely, talented child, she lifted every scene she was in.

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 11:21

SidekickSylvia · 23/05/2023 08:22

Rockybooboo,

You've just claimed to know how and why people who feel differently to yourself, feel the way they do. That's such a bizarre and personal thing to do to people you don't know.

Harry and Meghan are being mocked everywhere; comedians in America are taking the piss, news channels in Australia are taking the piss, there are memes all over social media taking the piss. Why? Is everyone in some kind of British Royal Family following cult? Or because a pair of high profile, completely talentless, egotistical muppets with a superiority and saviour complex want to be as famous and respected as the Obamas and as rich as Bill Gates. And they're too thick to see how utterly transparent every publicity stunt is to 90% of the public. It's simply entertaining, and not much deeper than that.

I dont understand why if you dislike them so much, you don't just ignore them. Its funny you think its weird and personal that you think I'm claiming to know how you feel but then go ahead and say that H&M want to be as rich as Bill Gates and as respected as The Obamas.

H&M have criticised the press so they are going to be slated by them. Also the press are part of the brain washing. The media were so biased during the coronation. Hardly any critiscm and lots of fawning with the exception of Channel 4.

So you think Harry and Meghan are talentless and egotistical muppets. Do you think Charles, Andrew and William aren't?

Howsimplywonderful · 23/05/2023 11:23

I wondered how long till the whataboutery would start 😀

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 11:24

LadyMuckingabout · 23/05/2023 11:13

I heard from a really good source about Windsor Castle. And yes, they wanted it as it is a “proper castle”, near Heathrow, near London and therefore they could have been hosting Hollywood A Listers whilst the rest of the rf handled the dreary stuff.

What source?

TripleDaisySummer · 23/05/2023 11:24

Howsimplywonderful · 23/05/2023 11:10

I see Harry has lost his case against the Home Office.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65609209

A barrister for the Metropolitan Police argued that it would be unreasonable to expose officers to danger because of "payment of a fee by a private individual".

...

Last July, Prince Harry was successful in getting the go-ahead for legal reviews of the decision-making process over his security, which have still to be heard.

But he has now lost in his challenge over wanting to pay privately for security costs, which he had previously said was "not to impose on the taxpayer".

It sounds like he still has another still on-going against home office though.

Prince Harry loses challenge to pay for police protection in UK

Home Office says wealthy individuals should not be able to "buy" security from the police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65609209

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 11:46

polkadotdalmation · 23/05/2023 09:31

@MrsMaxDeWinter Yet again you have posted a pack of lies about me, just as others did regarding my thoughts on Harry's racist attitude to the people (yes people, not chess pieces) he killed. I never said
Doria had no relationship with her daughter, I said she lived with her father exclusively for many years while her mother ran a travel agency in another state. I said as she got older her mother was in the picture far more and continues to love and support her to this day. I also said Doria looks a kind and beautiful person, and on the deleted thread it was perfectly normal for Doria to accompany her daughter to events. You need to get a grip and stop posting personal attacks on people.

Is that any different to Kate, william, Zara etc being sent to boarding school whilst their parents worked?

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 11:53

polkadotdalmation · 23/05/2023 10:41

@SweetTooth2 I think you can see clearly demonstrated now, the point posters at the start of this thread were making, how everything becomes about a certain subject, and is forced into divisiveness, personal insults, diversionary tactics, deflection, insults and supporting M&H with no reasoned arguments to support their claims.

As I have now been openly attacked and lied about, I'm out. This thread is now going the way of all the others. Good luck with it.

Why do you keep starting or joining threads about them then? Are you just wanting a pile onto H&M? What so what do ypu get put of it?

TrashyPanda · 23/05/2023 11:54

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 11:04

@skullbabe

These threads are something else.

I was on two threads about the paparazzi in New York. It was genuinely nasty and unpleasant. People posting the intrusive pap photos that even the Daily Mail had taken down.

Those threads were then deleted. When threads are deleted, it is easy to lie about what people wrote.

But me, I'm like House Mormont.

House Mormont remembers. The North remembers. 😁

I was on a thread where a poster (one of the most prolific H&M fans) made a hugely racist statement that was incredibly offensive.

it was deleted.

but loads of us remember it and will never forget it.

my family was directly impacted by the events this poster diminished.

TrashyPanda · 23/05/2023 11:55

Howsimplywonderful · 23/05/2023 11:10

I see Harry has lost his case against the Home Office.

Good

TrashyPanda · 23/05/2023 11:56

So you think Harry and Meghan are talentless and egotistical muppets. Do you think Charles, Andrew and William aren't?

that’s irrelevant.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 12:04

TrashyPanda · 23/05/2023 11:54

I was on a thread where a poster (one of the most prolific H&M fans) made a hugely racist statement that was incredibly offensive.

it was deleted.

but loads of us remember it and will never forget it.

my family was directly impacted by the events this poster diminished.

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No idea what that thread was but I do find it very strange that posters deny that Meghan faced any kind of racism at all, consistently question the experiences of posters of colour, but are very quick to label as racist anyone who supports Meghan and Harry.

I was accused of racism once for using the common English expression "fellow travellers" to mean people who agree with each other.

And yet every thing else I write about racism is denied.

The anti-Meghan posters are quick to deny that racism plays a role in how she is treated, but are really quick to accuse those who defend her of racism.

Funny how that works.