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SweetTooth2 · 22/05/2023 15:00

What is it about H&M and/or the royals, that gets people so angry and worked up?

People being pretty hostile to each other on the royal threads these days?

There seem to be quite fierce emotions in defence of H&M and also attacking them.

What's it all about do you think? Why all the hostility on these boards on either side?

(Obviously loads of people not being hostile. I fully acknowledge that! Just wondering why some posters have so much emotion for or against, and why the hostility to those with differing opinions. What is being ignited or triggered in people?)

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MayQueeen · 22/05/2023 23:25

Hear hear! This thread has been so refreshing to read through!

’The Fab Four thread had some brutally bitchy comments - seemingly mostly about outfits, without any acknowledgment that any of the four may be involved in work that had a value’ this is very true! And quite sad, that it can become about cheap point scoring and the actual causes they are trying to highlight end up sidelined. Especially when Edward and Sophie are so innocuous. In fact, I recently read an article around Kate’s early years work in the guardian. Link is here: https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/the-kate-effect-how-the-princess-of-wales-became-the-royals-not-so-secret-weapon

Not a royal fan either, and think the social climber label also applies very much to her. Only she was less brash and American about it. However, upon reading the article, I was impressed that she’s immersed herself that fully, and used her platform and network to amplify the voices of experts and make projects come together. Instead of making it all about herself, and using it just to promote her own brand and elevate herself as a pseudo expert. She’s come a long way from
the see-through-grab-his-attention fashion show dress. Comes across as being serious about the impact and implications of early years development - not just showing up for shiny awards whilst virtue signalling.

The ‘Kate effect’: how the Princess of Wales became the royals’ not-so-secret weapon | Catherine, Princess of Wales | The Guardian

Kate has moulded herself to fit the institution and now has the sort of soft power politicians would kill for

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/the-kate-effect-how-the-princess-of-wales-became-the-royals-not-so-secret-weapon

MayQueeen · 22/05/2023 23:39

I just read through an old thread to see if I am misremembering the ardent super fans and their peculiar brand of 🦇 💩. And if anything, it’s worse than I remember 😂 Megan and Harry are described as ‘ looking like they are lit from within’ who talks about Celebs like that?! Apart from 12 year girls talking about their fav boy band member 😂 and there was another poster accusing others of being taliban supporters just because they criticised spare and the inclusion of certain details 😅

polkadotdalmation · 22/05/2023 23:55

SidekickSylvia · 22/05/2023 20:22

There are 4 posters who make up about 50% of any thread about H and M, defending their heroes, and you never see them anywhere else. The posters who find H and M ridiculous are around on other topics/threads, but not those 4 - just the one topic for them; defending H and M. It's a bit odd.

I actually emailed MNHQ about this as did someone else because it's more than odd, and we both effectively were told to bog off. If they don't break talk guidelines it's ok. Ok to scream racism at someone critical of behaviour, or call you a hater (you can't hate someone you don't know) and my favourite...you're always on here (despite me pointing out I'd made 7 posts on a thread of over 500.

polkadotdalmation · 22/05/2023 23:56

mixedrecycling · 22/05/2023 20:48

It was quite unpleasant, but I got fed up of the bullying and decided to put my head above the parapet. In the end the most effective response seemed to be to refuse to get drawn into their accusations and just laugh at them. The vitriol increased for a while, and then they seemed to stop responding.

Exactly my tactic. Seemed to rile them more! 🤣🤣

polkadotdalmation · 23/05/2023 00:04

@MayQueeen It was me being criticised because I said the Taliban Harry referred to a chess pieces could have been civilians, or conscripted by the Taliban, and regardless they were human beings and soldiers should at least respect the enemy. I don't think that's controversial or makes me a supporter of an evil regime. And those were the lest controversial statements!

Hey I wonder if MNHQ have banned the lot of them as I named names! We will see.

IWasOlderThen · 23/05/2023 00:08

Why do people care so much about H and M?

JeandeServiette · 23/05/2023 02:33

8roses · 22/05/2023 18:13

Because anyone with a brain could see that Meghan is a grifter and Harry is a spiteful, bitter and jealous man. Their supporters must know this and argue for the sake of it. Luckily a lot of them have gone awol since the ‘chase’ and the hotel revelations.

What were the hotel revelations?

Whenharrymetsmelly · 23/05/2023 03:06

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 17:05

I think the UK has a weird superiority/inferiority type complex about the US and it really stings some people that Meghan saw really the best of the UK, had the most privilege and most comfortable life and chose not just to walk away from it but convince Harry to as well.

I feel it myself a bit when she talks about the racism in the UK, it's a bit like err Gary Tyler? Tamir Rice? George Floyd? But I recognise it's defensiveness on my part and she is entitled to her own opinion

I think this too, I think many take the 'rejection' personally. Sure, they're whiny but they also have some valid points. Leave them be.

Cowparslee · 23/05/2023 06:08

JeandeServiette · 23/05/2023 02:33

What were the hotel revelations?

I assume either the revelation that Harry has a room booked at a hotel in Montecito where he goes to stay alone?
...or the revelations that Harry & Meghan's team had asked for a discount at the Carlyle Hotel when they visited NY, but were knocked back, which is why they stayed at someone's house causing the traffic drama.

unbelieveable22 · 23/05/2023 06:38

'Accusations of racism' Really? There WAS and still IS racism. Once again there are white posters (admitted) questioning the right of a POC to define racism. It makes very uncomfortable reading.

Yesterday there was yet another race baiting thread on here which got to six pages before being removed.

Incidentally one of the long standing posters who is always fair and balanced, is a POC and never resorts to crudeness posted on that thread.

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 07:24

Elizabeth OK reigned 17 years before I was born.. I remember the Silver Jubilee, Charles and Diana 's wedding with fond memories. She was part of the Great generation who survived a war. Her family didn't flee London during the war, she saved her ration coupons for her wedding dress. Maybe it's because she wasn't originally brought up to be Queen as it was presumed Edward VIII would have children.

I think Anne has something of her mother's qualities and I like the Dukes and Duchess of Gloucester and Kent.

However given the current bunch, the RoyAl family objectively it looks like a cult. We've been persuaded that these people are our betters based on whose vagina they came out of. We've got so many great people in this country in music, sport, literature, science and get we've put this family of pretty mediocre people in the centre stage. We are supposed to bow to them, call them by a special name, sing songs to them, feel so grateful to them if they come and shake our hands, fawn over over their children even when education cuts are being inflicted on our own kids. The King is above the law and let's face it the rest of them are involved in anything, it's covered up pretty quickly. It seems quite a misogynistic organisation,the some who marry In must be thin, glamorous, wear pretty clothes and have no opinions.

In the meantime life is getting harder for the peasants. When the Queen came to the throne the UK was in the way up, it's now crashing down. The coronation was obscene. Princess Beatrice's earrings alone cost £35,000 and she's not even the top royal.

The majority of threads started in The Royal Family are about Harry and Meghan and most of them are inviting a pile on not a nuanced discussion and from this thread alone you can see that anyone who isn't opposed to them is spoken about in a derogatory way. If people were truly happy with the RoyAl family then then most of the threads would be positive about the family. Harry was born into the cult, he had the knowledge that his father and brother were out above him, he lost his mum, was paraded around on TV at her funeral then dismissed off to a new boarding school. I think he is probably very screwed up. Some of the things he and Meghan were criticised for like preaching about the environment and then hopping on planes is no different to what his father and brother do. Meghan was never going to fit in. I remember her mentioning #MeToo at the 'fab four' conference and thinking she's for it. She struggled with protocol like walking behind her husband and curtesying which is just a load of man made bollocks anyway.

I think H&M are disliked because they've escaped the cult which makes everyone who follows the cult feel rejected. Otherwise people who dislike them would just avoid reading about them but they can't seem to let it go. It makes them sound like obsessed RoyAl fans.

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 07:33

Cowparslee · 23/05/2023 06:08

I assume either the revelation that Harry has a room booked at a hotel in Montecito where he goes to stay alone?
...or the revelations that Harry & Meghan's team had asked for a discount at the Carlyle Hotel when they visited NY, but were knocked back, which is why they stayed at someone's house causing the traffic drama.

They are pretty trivial things though. Who cares if he has hotel nights away of they tried to get a discount on a hotel?

mixedrecycling · 23/05/2023 07:37

I think it's the dissonance between 'living a life of service' and asking for discounts to subsidise their lifestyle.

KrasiTime · 23/05/2023 07:40

I’d assume most celebrities ask for discounts. Royals maybe not. I was watching a programme I think it was about the Savoy & influencers getting free rooms & other freebies just for posting. A different life!

defi · 23/05/2023 07:41

I've never got it myself. H&m are chasing fame and celebrity. Whilst the royals sit on stolen billions from the miseries of others. But they do "pomp"

KrasiTime · 23/05/2023 07:43

I’ve also noticed a few posters fans missing…

Id be interested to see where H&M go now as this latest event wasn’t very successful, unless the view is all publicity is good publicity.

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 07:43

mixedrecycling · 23/05/2023 07:37

I think it's the dissonance between 'living a life of service' and asking for discounts to subsidise their lifestyle.

What service? They !I've a life of luxury. Nurses, teachers and fireman etc are living a life of service and struggling to make ends meet.

LaMarschallin · 23/05/2023 07:45

Rockybooboo

Is "RoyAl" a typo (I see you've used "royal"/"Royal" in your post as well) or is it a play on words like "con a nation"?
Just wondering if I'm missing something.

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 07:45

mixedrecycling · 23/05/2023 07:37

I think it's the dissonance between 'living a life of service' and asking for discounts to subsidise their lifestyle.

No one in the RoyAl Family is living a life of service.

Rockybooboo · 23/05/2023 07:46

LaMarschallin · 23/05/2023 07:45

Rockybooboo

Is "RoyAl" a typo (I see you've used "royal"/"Royal" in your post as well) or is it a play on words like "con a nation"?
Just wondering if I'm missing something.

No it's my autocorrect but com a nation sounds good.

LaMarschallin · 23/05/2023 07:52

Rockybooboo

Ah, right! Thanks. Thought I was being dim and missing the point Smile

I think "con a nation" was coined by Novella4 - just the first example I thought of.

LadyMuckingabout · 23/05/2023 07:53

The Fans will be back… with new names. It is funny (peculiar) though how they all disappeared at the same time. I agree that the car chase is problematic for them as it is clearly a load of rubbish and the only defence is insulting posters or deflecting, or starting faux innocent threads about how thin/ill another royal looks.

skullbabe · 23/05/2023 07:54

I recently made the decision to step away from the RF boards and mute certain threads. It became apparent to me that many individuals on those threads were dismissing and downplaying the significance of racism (not directed at Meghan before many of you jump on this). Witnessing this was quite surprising, and I felt it was necessary to disengage for my own well-being.

Regarding the main topic of discussion, I found it intriguing to observe the strong emotions expressed by many participants. There were countless pages filled with animosity towards a particular individual, and I couldn't quite comprehend the intensity of the spite, hostility, and negativity mixed in with the genuine criticisms aimed at someone I perceived as rather bland. From what I’ve observed, some people like the argument aspect, some people like a villain and some people find community with like minded others.

Toomanycaketins · 23/05/2023 08:03

Maireas · 22/05/2023 18:55

Indeed, @mixedrecycling . The accusations of racism were very tricky, was there genuine concern or was it used to shut down arguments? That was when poc were accused of internalised racism. Meghan became a sort of social lightening rod: racism, misogyny, hierarchy, privilege and celebrity all part of it. How will it play out? Who knows.

The lightning rod comment is really interesting. I might add to that the strong republican sentiment on MN. I think H&M are positioned by some as kind of anti-establishment heroes - although I think H&M are far more orientated towards being royal on their own terms, rather than rejecting the concept of royalty altogether.

jeffgoldblum · 23/05/2023 08:20

The other thread was taken down , because I and I assume others contacted mn about the absolute pile on and constant harassment of the op .