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SweetTooth2 · 22/05/2023 15:00

What is it about H&M and/or the royals, that gets people so angry and worked up?

People being pretty hostile to each other on the royal threads these days?

There seem to be quite fierce emotions in defence of H&M and also attacking them.

What's it all about do you think? Why all the hostility on these boards on either side?

(Obviously loads of people not being hostile. I fully acknowledge that! Just wondering why some posters have so much emotion for or against, and why the hostility to those with differing opinions. What is being ignited or triggered in people?)

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MayQueeen · 23/05/2023 22:24

There’s more to me than my skin colour and there’s more to Megan too. Stop reducing her to how you identify her racially.

rattymol · 23/05/2023 22:26

@MayQueeen I was responding to a particular comment. And yes it angered me.

rattymol · 23/05/2023 22:27

No one is *reducing" Meghan to anything. But when I see racism I will challenge it whoever it is directed at.

MayQueeen · 23/05/2023 22:29

Ok Batman - enjoy your vigilantism - I’m sure commissioner Gordon/mumsnet admin are chuffed you’re on the case x

sheworemellowyellow · 23/05/2023 22:29

Who ARE these people that have the time and energy and the exact same MO to post in this way??

MayQueeen · 23/05/2023 22:32

God knows 😂

l tend to only have time when either I’m travelling for work so have time to kill between flights or I’m sick and recovering from something. It’s admirable they have unlimited time and Manage to get involved on every thread. I’ve only commented on a handful over the course of a few years 😭😂

YouHaveAWeirdHangupAboutPercentage · 23/05/2023 22:58

MayQueeen · 23/05/2023 22:24

There’s more to me than my skin colour and there’s more to Megan too. Stop reducing her to how you identify her racially.

I agree. Especially with "how you identify her racially*

sheworemellowyellow · 23/05/2023 23:03

If nothing else, there are enough explicit posts on this thread alone to tell alllll posters that “let me tell you why you’re wrong and I’m right” is insultingly reductive and misses the point. Let’s move into the 21st century with this.

MamoruHisaishi · 23/05/2023 23:23

I agree that the accusation of racism has been used as a weapon against those who criticize harry and Meghan. It's baffling how even, as a POC myself, I've been accused of being racist towards harry because I dared to criticize him, a white entitled prince. It's like, all his problematic behaviour and racist controversies have been white washed or forgiven by his fans because he married a white looking biracial woman.

Also, no, it's not racism to be critical of Meghan. It's not racism to question the Sussexes many narratives, which contradicts either with the evidence or dont make any logical sense.

MamoruHisaishi · 23/05/2023 23:29

It's funny how I don't read accusations of racism when people have criticized other famous people of colour. I don't hear accusations of racism when Whoopi is criticized for saying something problematic, or when Priyanka Chopra is criticized for being thirsty for attention or for her plastic surgery, or when Kanye does or says something controversial. Yet to be critical of harry or meghan for their behaviour and words and suddenly we’re accused of racism.

dontwaitup · 23/05/2023 23:35

Okay racism does not exist. I am deregistering the racism on here is too much.

MamoruHisaishi · 23/05/2023 23:45

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/05/2023 13:35

There are case studies being done already. As an amateur anthropologist, it has been fascinating to see how hatred has become a bonding mechanism for many here. I'm reading a lot about hatred as a bonding mechanism, and people finding solidarity in hating the same public personalities.

The free for all climate sometimes attracts the loonier elements, see for instance the posts on the Meghan is pregnant thread, about the kids not being hers, she was never pregnant etc.

Incidentally, the women whose pregnancies are most "denied" in these social forums are Meghan, Serena Williams, Beyonce and Michelle Obama.

Make of that what you will!

There's also been conspiracy theories against Sophie hunter, Amal Clooney, and Hilaria Baldwin. And yes, Kate has had her own accusations of having fake pregnancies or that she was faking suffering from pregnancy to avoid work. As for hatred being a uniting factor, Kim Kardashian and her family have already done it and did it better. They've monetized and embraced their infamy. This isn't something new or unique to Meghan or harry

Howsimplywonderful · 24/05/2023 00:05

@MamoruHisaishi

Don’t forget the original ‘cookie’ rumour about the Queen Mother.

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor used to refer to her as ‘cookie’ due to the rumours she was the daughter of a French cook (as the queen mums mother couldn’t conceive) and the fact that her middle name was marguerite was ‘proof’

So these types of rumours are not even new to the RF.

skullbabe · 24/05/2023 01:09

dontwaitup · 23/05/2023 23:35

Okay racism does not exist. I am deregistering the racism on here is too much.

Don’t. There are many of us calling it out here. It’s not everyone.

MamoruHisaishi · 24/05/2023 03:04

dontwaitup · 23/05/2023 23:35

Okay racism does not exist. I am deregistering the racism on here is too much.

No one said racism doesn't exist. It’s when racism is used as a defense mode whenever the Sussexes are criticized, either for their behaviour or their words, is when it becomes an issue. Even POC who aren't pro Sussexes get tagged with this ‘you’re racist’ claim.

KrasiTime · 24/05/2023 07:51

I’ve often wondered why H&M are used as poster people for a lot of republicans on here. They are still royal & use their titles. H&M need the monarchy to remain relevant something I think the republicans have missed.

IronCurtain · 24/05/2023 09:04

I think Harry and Meghan’s situation cuts across a number of different emotional territories, so most people can relate to one way or another.

Racism, xenophobia, misogyny and classism, very real in the UK and biases we can all be guilty of at some point. Of course, many of us have also been on the receiving end. So complex emotions all round.

Family fall-outs, especially coupled with some very public dirty laundry airing. Most of us have seen this play out in our own circles, and much more so since social media became more prevalent. Some of it has been the equivalent of the dreaded ‘I know who my friends are now’ Facebook posts.

The absolutely weird and thoroughly ingrained sense of ownership many in Britain feel over the Royal Family in general, and especially Harry (and William I’d guess). Makes us feel like we are more entitled to ‘get involved’ than normal.

And to all this, add a level of intensity condensed in a relatively short period of time (whirlwind romance, marriage, 2 children, abrupt departure, interviews, Jubilee, Netflix, book, Queen’s death, coronation - all in what, just over five years?) that made it a dream for a controversy-hungry media to keep pushing the subject in front of our noses again and again.

It’s a perfect mix to get many people worked up one way or another. I just hope that through the madness of it all, the main protagonists (including Harry, Meghan, the rest of the RF) are able to live their lives in the ‘real world’ and not let themselves be consumed by it. Time will tell I suppose.

Rockybooboo · 24/05/2023 10:07

KrasiTime · 24/05/2023 07:51

I’ve often wondered why H&M are used as poster people for a lot of republicans on here. They are still royal & use their titles. H&M need the monarchy to remain relevant something I think the republicans have missed.

I think if the monarchy was to fall tomorrow, they'd still all remain celebrities for a long time including H&M. There are still members of deposed Royal families who are still well known.

Rockybooboo · 24/05/2023 10:11

IronCurtain · 24/05/2023 09:04

I think Harry and Meghan’s situation cuts across a number of different emotional territories, so most people can relate to one way or another.

Racism, xenophobia, misogyny and classism, very real in the UK and biases we can all be guilty of at some point. Of course, many of us have also been on the receiving end. So complex emotions all round.

Family fall-outs, especially coupled with some very public dirty laundry airing. Most of us have seen this play out in our own circles, and much more so since social media became more prevalent. Some of it has been the equivalent of the dreaded ‘I know who my friends are now’ Facebook posts.

The absolutely weird and thoroughly ingrained sense of ownership many in Britain feel over the Royal Family in general, and especially Harry (and William I’d guess). Makes us feel like we are more entitled to ‘get involved’ than normal.

And to all this, add a level of intensity condensed in a relatively short period of time (whirlwind romance, marriage, 2 children, abrupt departure, interviews, Jubilee, Netflix, book, Queen’s death, coronation - all in what, just over five years?) that made it a dream for a controversy-hungry media to keep pushing the subject in front of our noses again and again.

It’s a perfect mix to get many people worked up one way or another. I just hope that through the madness of it all, the main protagonists (including Harry, Meghan, the rest of the RF) are able to live their lives in the ‘real world’ and not let themselves be consumed by it. Time will tell I suppose.

Yes hopefull no major Royal events for at least 10 years hopefully .

polkadotdalmation · 24/05/2023 10:52

Yesterday someone made a very unpleasant racist joke about W&K and Edward and Sophie, which I reported and was deleted. So it does go both ways.

I dislike Meghan and Harry for their behaviour, nothing else. I've never said anything about her skin colour, her looks, their children. Nothing, yet because I call out the hypocrisy, the lies and the entitlement, I get attacked by the SS on a regular basis.

Frankly my dears I don't give a damn. The more they try to provoke me, the more pathetic they seem. I think the reason it deteriorates into a slanging match is because H&M supporters just seem brainwashed into chanting the same mantras I listed in their playbook.

TrashyPanda · 24/05/2023 11:04

They’ve even accused your name of being racist, @polkadotdalmation!

polkadotdalmation · 24/05/2023 11:09

TrashyPanda · 24/05/2023 11:04

They’ve even accused your name of being racist, @polkadotdalmation!

Oh FFS. It was originally purple. They didn't like it because it's a royal colour.... then it was green ... which caused all sorts of issues (not my end) because of using PC/iPhone and iPad, so they went berserk accusing me of sock puppeting and trolling, so I decided polkadot was innocuous..... haha clearly not!

polkadotdalmation · 24/05/2023 11:09

@TrashyPanda They really don't like me do they 😂😂😂😂

mixedrecycling · 24/05/2023 12:09

I remember that kerfuffle!

SweetTooth2 · 24/05/2023 12:10

mixedrecycling · 24/05/2023 12:09

I remember that kerfuffle!

Just a bit of an aside ... but I do love the word 'kerfuffle'!

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