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New Far Four?

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callingeveryone · 19/05/2023 12:46

The Daily Mail is touting William, Kate, Sophie, and Edward as the new Fab Four. Do you agree with the Daily Mail that they are an influential foursome?

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Serenster · 24/05/2023 08:29

And it will fall more, world wide, when those former colonies who still have the King as Head of State become republics over the next couple of decades.

People on the RF boards have predicted a future of the RF in the vein of the modernised RFs in Northern Europe. I think it’s a pretty safe prediction. It would seem that Charles very much wanted what his mother had, and it feels to many like its had its day.

Funny you say that Charles very much wanted what his other had, when one of the most notable elements of Elizabeth’s long reign was the peaceful transition of the majority of the former Empire to independent nations that she presided over (I think some 50 former colonies gained full independence during her reign). This is not something that all the former colonial powers have achieved.

As Prince William recently said, the royal family has, and will continue to, stand by any country that wishes to part ways with the British monarchy. There’s only 15 left, and I too think their transition to republics is inevitable (and desirable, even!). Given their history, I can’t imagine why anyone would think the current Royal Family would want to prevent that?

Morestrangerthings · 24/05/2023 08:36

Serenster · 24/05/2023 08:29

And it will fall more, world wide, when those former colonies who still have the King as Head of State become republics over the next couple of decades.

People on the RF boards have predicted a future of the RF in the vein of the modernised RFs in Northern Europe. I think it’s a pretty safe prediction. It would seem that Charles very much wanted what his mother had, and it feels to many like its had its day.

Funny you say that Charles very much wanted what his other had, when one of the most notable elements of Elizabeth’s long reign was the peaceful transition of the majority of the former Empire to independent nations that she presided over (I think some 50 former colonies gained full independence during her reign). This is not something that all the former colonial powers have achieved.

As Prince William recently said, the royal family has, and will continue to, stand by any country that wishes to part ways with the British monarchy. There’s only 15 left, and I too think their transition to republics is inevitable (and desirable, even!). Given their history, I can’t imagine why anyone would think the current Royal Family would want to prevent that?

I didn’t say the RF would want to prevent it. I don’t believe they would want to prevent it. They can’t at any rate.

Serenster · 24/05/2023 08:48

No, of course they can’t!

I also thought it was amusing that you compared them to the “modernised” Northern European monarchies, when several of them also have overseas territories - the Danes have Greenland, and the Dutch have several territories in the Caribbean for example. They’re not even functionally independent with the monarch as their nominal head of state as most of the UK realms now are - they are fully part of the home state and governed remotely. And their Royal Families go and visit them with a lot of pomp and flurry too. So the UK monarchy is very much in line with its neighbours.

smilesy · 24/05/2023 09:00

Serenster · 24/05/2023 08:48

No, of course they can’t!

I also thought it was amusing that you compared them to the “modernised” Northern European monarchies, when several of them also have overseas territories - the Danes have Greenland, and the Dutch have several territories in the Caribbean for example. They’re not even functionally independent with the monarch as their nominal head of state as most of the UK realms now are - they are fully part of the home state and governed remotely. And their Royal Families go and visit them with a lot of pomp and flurry too. So the UK monarchy is very much in line with its neighbours.

And what about that famous European republic, France? Lots of overseas territories run as part of France itself. This explains it and also what @Serenster said aboveSee here

The Kanak and French flags fly in New Caledonia

Europe's overseas territories: What you need to know – DW – 11/03/2018

Although Europe's former colonial empires have been largely broken up, several countries remain overseas territories. While some enjoy relative autonomy, others are pushing for independence.

https://www.dw.com/en/europes-overseas-territories-what-you-need-to-know/a-46145298

Morestrangerthings · 24/05/2023 10:21

I’m sure it amused you, Serenster. Smiley, I was not comparing monarchies that still govern other territories/countries so not going to read the article, but thank you anyway.

I was probably wrong to compare it to Northern European monarchies by the look of it - but I was thinking in terms of less pomp and pageantry. And I had read on here that certain monarchies has slimmed down and don’t do the same level of pomp/pageantry as the UK. Indeed, many posters were saying that the UK really knows how to do it all better - the reasons given for the pageantry etc was that people all over the world pay attention and tourism booms as a result. I saw the pageantry etc differently this time.

Although I was looking forward to the coronation, I realised during it that I thought it looked a bit old and tired. Which is certainly not what I thought of the Queens funeral, or the various royal weddings, or Diana’s funeral, or the Queens coronation which I watched on you tube in black and white (spectacular film making for those that haven’t seen it. Not the colourised version, but the black and white one). The recent coronation looked tired and a bit out of step in this day and age, to me

But then, I come from a country whose traditional owners are the oldest living continuous culture - more than 60,000 years old. Many times older than the pyramids for example. It has survived despite the devastating effects of invasion and colonisation (the handover might have been peaceful, but the actual colonisation was not) and nor was the ongoing brutality, legislated and encouraged by our early federal governments (in which British Govt still had some legal power, albeit ever decreasing) either. Yet despite all that, this very ancient living culture, of my homeland, still is vital and ever renewing.

polkadotdalmation · 24/05/2023 10:37

I really hope all the remaining countries tied to the crown gain complete independence very soon. I'm not sure there is anything to be gained by the ties on either side.

No idea why anyone would attack my comment enough to get deleted. Saying people are human beings isn't controversial in my book. 🤷🏻‍♀️. I was hugely offended by the slavery joke for exactly the same reason. They were real people in horrific circumstances and joking about it was really bad taste, so I reported.

tigger2022 · 24/05/2023 10:44

Am I only one who likes sharing a HOS with other countries? We’re like #bros

mixedrecycling · 24/05/2023 11:03

😁it's up to the other countries concerned, just like membership of the Commonwealth.

polkadotdalmation · 24/05/2023 11:11

tigger2022 · 24/05/2023 10:44

Am I only one who likes sharing a HOS with other countries? We’re like #bros

Commonwealth seems much more cuddly than the HOS thing to me. That smacks of colonialism and that was not a good look.

mixedrecycling · 24/05/2023 12:08

I have now disappeared down a rabbit hole of 'British Overseas Territories'...😂

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