Security for Harry and Meghan not a priority

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Article in the DM reporting that Rishi Sunak has apparently said Harry and Meghan's security issues in New York are not a priority for him when he was asked about the car chase. He is concentrating on policing and safety of people in this country.

I think that too… it was a step backwards. It’s impossible to be a feminist or progressive in that world where men are titled and women (unless in the family by birth) are consorts. I think Meghan is struggling to get away from the contradiction even 3 years on. Which is a shame because she’s a lot more likeable than her husband, and a lot more intelligent.

@Haywirecity Thanks for the explanation 😊. I guess that's a a good example of an echo chamber.

I don't believe King Charles has any mansions going spare in California to loan to H&M unlike tyler Perry. However he did finance the couple for 1 year according to his published financial accounts. Tyler Perry seems like a nice guy so pretty easily manipulated by Meghan who is an actress.

IMO, for all Americans tout their Independence from the UK and the repudiation of the Monarchy to a Democratic Republic they do still really love Princes and Princesses.

But the very Disneyfied type. They struggle to see a Royal Family as what they actually are, and view them as ultra celebs with crowns. They also seem to feel they still have much more power than they do actually have (hence the comments about Diana's death, H&Ms not-really a pap chase chase being set up by KC3 to "do a Diana on them").

They've been desperate to have their own US Princess & it's never quite worked out for them. With Princess Grace, the Kennedy's and now with Meghan.

The reality is that being a Royal is pretty boring and stuffy with very little tiaras and crowns, and it's not an ultra celeb lifestyle. IMO that's why Meghan struggled. For an independent feminist the strictures imposed by a hierarchical system where each individual has a very narrow set role defined by and from birth it must have been a huge culture shock and massively confining.

IMO Americans can't quite grasp that at all - but they still love the illusion of Royalty.

IMO, for all Americans tout their Independence from the UK and the repudiation of the Monarchy to a Democratic Republic they do still really love Princes and Princesses.

Not just Disney (as you mention) either - the popularity of the Hallmark Channel’s huge catalogue of “OMG Can you believe an All American girl and a European Prince fell in love??!!” movies is quite telling. Not to mention the success of the Princess Diaries books and films (a third film in currently in development…)

I can also see that unless you are a dedicated fan, the images of the BRF most likely to trave are those from the State dinners, balcony appearances and red carpet appearances. So it would be quite easy to assume that they spend their lives dressed up and bejewelled.

@Serenster Yes, I think that's what Meghan believed the RF was about, when the reality is a wet afternoon in Manchester, shaking hands and being nice to people you'll never meet again and showing interest in their charity. Hence the massive disillusion she felt and the escape to the mansion in California and celebrity life.

The reality is that being a Royal is pretty boring and stuffy with very little tiaras and crowns, and it's not an ultra celeb lifestyle.

Yes, and with the exception of the monarch and Prince of Wales, royals aren't terribly rich in cash terms. It's all relative, obviously, but Harry's new Montecito neighbours are probably all much richer than royals, him included.

For an independent feminist the strictures imposed by a hierarchical system where each individual has a very narrow set role defined by and from birth it must have been a huge culture shock and massively confining.

The 'independent feminist' has absolutely no problem holding onto titles from that 'hierarchical system' however, titles which are hers only because she married a male royal.

These two are a PiTA. Why would anyone be interested or want to engage with them when they run to the courts so frequently.
They need to disappear from our media .

The reality is that being a Royal is pretty boring and stuffy with very little tiaras and crowns, and it's not an ultra celeb lifestyle.

Agreed. All this H&M shit is really down to two things IMO:

1. Meghan's complete and utter misunderstanding of what the BRF is and does, what her role within it would be as the wife of PH, who was only ever going to go down the line of succession and become increasingly less important, and exactly how glamorous and fabulous her life would be on a day-to-day basis;

and

2. Their collective fury at being thwarted in their ill-planned flouncing off and not getting what they wanted i.e. half-in, half-out so they could use their titles and royal status to make shit loads of money with the blessing of the BRF, continued financial support, continued police protection provided for life/IPP status, i.e. having their cake and eating it.

IMO every single thing they've done and every misstep before and after Jan 2020 has boiled down to one or both of those things.

Oh and add in a healthy dose of paranoia, which only seems to have got worse, the more they've isolated themselves from anyone who could talk sense into them.

She will have done careful research, she’s v smart & v driven. She almost knew the reality I think. IMO she thought with H by side they could/reform/change adapt & maybe she thought they’d be less bureaucracy with the purse strings?

If (repudiations) were being issued re MM too, then it makes the whole "unfair, Kate gets a better deal" whinge more than just ignorance. It makes it deliberate deception

Isn't that often the nature of the "discussions" though?

As with many of H&M's own claims so much of it's easily disprovable, but still the nonsense keeps coming - presumably in the hope that, if it's said often enough, something will stick
It works on some of the sillier fan sites and among the more manic supporters, but not IME with anyone in touch with reality

"The 'independent feminist' has absolutely no problem holding onto titles from that 'hierarchical system' however, titles which are hers only because she married a male royal."

Well, yes.
And the insistence of Prince & Princess titles for their children.

It goes completely against a modern feminist ethos.

Which is why I had to laugh at the insistence that Meghan was a strong feminist when she said "No" to going to the Coronation.

A strong modern independent feminist wouldn't continue to use her title gained only by your husbands status (& get it embroidered on her custom Dior handbag) and use Royal titles for her children. You wouldn't continue to tie your family to an outdated, unfair & patriarchal feudal system that you say you wanted to escape from.

You wouldn't continue to tie your family to an outdated, unfair & patriarchal feudal system that you say you wanted to escape from.

In fact, you wouldn't marry into that system in the first place.

Which is a shame because she’s a lot more likeable than her husband, and a lot more intelligent.

I disagree,I don't find either of them likeable and Meghan's intelligence seems somewhat overstated

Meghan is clever and probably intelligent, but her stumbling block is she's not as clever as she thinks she is. Only a fool convinced of their own superiority would think no one would fact check her ridiculous claims. This latest fiasco is another misstep. Do they not realise the police will have a pretty good idea of what occurs in their own city?

Harry is streets behind her in intelligence, and is just there as window dressing. Bit like trump and Melania

@Peverellshire well she allegedly queried why she wasn't getting paid for a walkabout, so I think she was too dazzled by the pomp, ceremony and crowns to look at the reality! What you don't see in the media is how boring much of it is. It's only the big events that get big coverage, so maybe she didn't see this?

@maranella Totally! The last 3 years have been an exercise in throwing your toys out of the pram.

Yes, Meghan is obviously more intelligent than Harry but that's a very low bar. I've seen no evidence of any great intellect on her part. Both are equally unlikable to me.

I always assumed that was a joke

I found that strange, they were getting their flights, accommodation, food paid for and aside from their purported £2mill annual allowance couldn't understand why there might be a wave 👋 fee.

I have never seen MM as a feminist but don't think she was equipped for the scrutiny of RF nor that some of the work involved was mundane. Or the hierarchy.

I think she misunderstood, and thought the role could be monetised.

I can well imagine that after a who adult life of earning money/saving money/spending money etc it would be hard to get your head around the idea that going forward as a senior working royal she wouldn’t be earning money as such, but rather she and Harry would have no living expenses that they needed to meet themselves, and a healthy allowance to meet their personal expenditure. But Meghan presumably was also used to having her lifestyle subsidised by her higher-earning partner before she joined Suits too, so it can’t have been that foreign.

Meghan is clever and probably intelligent, but her stumbling block is she's not as clever as she thinks she is
, I think you are right, she’s obviously smart and savvy and very ambitious and She’s good looking , what I don’t like is how she’s trying to build a whole new persona based on the 3 seconds she spent as a royal , and why is she treating it as being some sort of a martyr ?

why is she even getting awards for her time as a royal ?

last I’ve checked they got all the bonuses you normally get when you become a senior royal,

Well, this.

There are posters here who say 'well, they'll be criticised if they do, so why should they'?

But the point isn't about being criticised or not, it's not about pleasing an audience or not, it's about living your own principles.

A strong modern independent feminist wouldn't continue to use her title gained only by your husbands status (& get it embroidered on her custom Dior handbag)

Is that true about the handbag? Good grief!