should the coronation be abolished

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Britian is the only European country with a monarchy that still has a coronation. Other countries have either abandoned the coronation or have never had one.

Do you think Britain should abandon the coronation or keep it

Bit late innit?

Keep!
If we are going to keep the Monarchy it makes no sense to be half assed about it.
We've got the kit and personnel, so use them.

Keep it a bit of pomp and ceremony never hurt anyone we had one lady who made the last three coronations

I think William won't have one. He doesn't really seem to like the pomp and pageantry and being the centre of attention

No.

Keep. Just because other countries don't have a coronation doesn't mean they don't have massive celebrations at the inauguration. We know from posters on here that that was the case in their countries. I like seeing the Crown go on his head. And him getting the different regalia. I didn't know what they stood for before.

Keep. I like the pomp and ceremony and history associated with it.

Keep it, though it could be simplified somewhat.

Abolish. Seriously. I loved the armed services parading but the rest of it was bordering on the absurd.

And I know the wearing of the crowns on the balcony wasn’t officially part of the Coronation but it looked to me like pure pantomime. And a gold coach? Really?

I watched it with a group of European friends and they were polite but the consensus was “a little too much”.

It was fucking embarrassing. Protesters arrested for pre-crime. What is the UK right now?

I think other European monarchies have an 'inauguration' ceremony instead.
Either type can be as ceremonial as desired.
Personally, I find the whole thing a bit embarrassing, as the UK style coronation is a deeply religious ceremony, and I am not religious. I think it reflects how much power the church once had.
There is no reason why any ceremony cannot be simplified in the future if desired. However, I think it was thought that using all the same traditions as before was the most appropriate (I guess the last one was 70 years ago, so why not).
In the case of the UK, the monarch is also the monarch of many of the Commonwealth countries, so it makes sense that all the heads of these other countries are invited. As some of these countries are considering becoming a republic, it may be that in future, very few other countries need be invited.
The crowns themselves are apparantly very heavy and not comfortable, and it seems they have become more ornate as the power of the monarch has declined!
In my view, I would prefer a much simpler ceremony without the necessity of inviting world leaders, and without those awful crowns, etc.

Keep it - I love the history, pomp and pageantry.

Will you be saying the same next time a Bataclan is thwarted before it happens?

What a ludicrous statement.

Nono - what evidence do you have that William doesn’t like pomp, pageantry or being the centre of attention?

imo I enjoyed the historical aspects of the service although I’m not religious- a bible from 600ad!! And I find it interesting seeing all the people with ancient job titles that we’ve never heard of - I’d like to know more about them. We’ve got the golden carriage so might as well get it out every so often. The bit that looked silly was the purple outfit and crown on the balcony because he reminded me of the king in chitty chitty bang bang.

You can't really coz it's a religious service and I think they are strict on content. It could all move a bit faster with out the slow walking to music though, whilst it looked dramatic they could have sped the whole thing up

#NotMyKing

The spectacle is FOR the masses, do you honestly think it's for the hapless few?!

Absolutely keep.

The current monarchy wants to cultivate a more religiously tolerant, and culturally diverse population and is a passionate advocate for a sustainable future.

With the number of rights for women, children, and laws against sexual, age related, disabled etc discrimination discrimination it's no wonder 1000s of people want to come here from more oppressed and religiously intolerant regimes.

It would be great if everyone who wanted to come here could come, and those who have nothing better to do and not who are not interested in making it a better place for everyone could leave :)

I think more people need to have a stint in living in countries ( which is where 90 % of the global population live) where there is a dictatorship or where it is legal to rape your own wife and where women and girls are not encouraged to play sport, or have an education etc or have a life outside the home, and have a fixed hierarchy based on your colour, sex or religion.

Just take a look at the presidencies and ruling families in russia, Asia, Africa, and China and ask yourself what are their human rights like? What about animal, women's, children's, gay rights like? What are their laws on discrimination like?

People who live here have no idea how fortunate they are.

But don't worry, western ideas are thought to be the work of Satan ( how dare women believe they should not be raped by their own husband!!) And if the current status quo changes in the future then we might well be suppressed and taken over by a dictatorship.

So enjoy the spectacle for what it brings us, a symbol of democracy with very little real power compared to the tyrannical rule of the past and present still in many places.

Be careful what you wish for.

Keep it for tourism & historical value but from now on, IMHO, the Royals should not have one penny from the taxpayer and should fund their entire existence themselves. If not, the Monarchy should be abolished … 👍

Well said pretty. Some people really have no idea how fortunate we are. Of course this country isn’t perfect but there are many, many places worse to live in, especially as a woman. I often wonder why the people who think Britain is so awful think that immigrants want to come here. We seem to be the only country determined to emphasise our failures and diminish our successes (the media has a role in this). We also seem to think that we have a uniquely shameful past, which is a weird kind of modern take on exceptionalism given that the vast majority of countries have a history of violence and exploitation- in many cases equal or worse than us, and some less distant in time or even current.

Abolish, of course. Watching some privileged, blinkered elderly man in cloth of gold be presented with the Bracelets of Sincerity while an increasingly deprived population looks on is waaay beyond the ‘bread and circuses’ thing.

Abolish. That type of cosplay should be done in private, at the expense of the participants. "History" is not an excuse.

If we have a monarchy at all, they should just have a short civic service. The CofE is entirely irrelevant to the majority of the population. There really is no god who can give Charles Windsor the right to rule over us.

See my username for my view on how the protesters were treated.

#NotMyKing

Abolish. Seriously. I loved the armed services parading but the rest of it was bordering on the absurd

Yes agree. Hopefully there can be alternative British events to see the armed services parading.

Was it just me who thought the bracelets looked like a mini drum kit the way they were arranged on the cushion?

I think it should be modified to be more simple. If the monarch then wants to be anointed and presented with shiny things, they can have a private ceremony at some other time.

I'm generally okay with having a monarchy, but I didn't appreciate some of the wording in the ceremony that referenced, essentially, Charles being chosen to be King by God / having the God given right to be King. Just no. No-one believes that line anymore. We're not in the middle ages.

I take your point about human rights in other countries but it’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that dressing up in priceless jewellery and displaying ornate artifacts has anything to do with equality?

And it’s a little patronising to suggest that the masses are better off for seeing this almost obscene display of opulence? How does it help them exactly except give them an extra bank holiday (which was good) and add £5 to their tax bill?

This is a thread about whether the Coronation should be abolished, not the monarchy itself, but surely you can see the difficulty in the argument that KC is doing vital work campaigning for sustainability while living in twelve stately homes? In order to be credible they can no longer operate from a position of hypocrisy.

'Religious cosplay' was the best description I found

Did Charles don his 'bracelets of sincerity' before his appearance on American Idol later that day ?
( no I can't get over it - the amount of po faced royalist twaddle I've endured re 'protocol' and the 'royals' . Then chuck and Camilla clearly having done a deal with American Idol to appear the same day )

Coronations differ from inaugurations in that a state religion is involved and the theatre attempts to link the monarch with Gods will - in case any of you serfs get any ideas

Not going to happen again
How cheap did all the priceless loot look as well?
Is it modern tech ? I saw those shiny robes with curtain swags that Andrew Kate etc Al were draped in .
Oh yes I'm sure it referred to some medieval knightly honour . How apt re Andrew
It all looked cheap on a high def tv
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