should the coronation be abolished

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Britian is the only European country with a monarchy that still has a coronation. Other countries have either abandoned the coronation or have never had one.

Do you think Britain should abandon the coronation or keep it

Lots of bits of ritual are old. But how it's all put together seems to have muddled along from one coronation to the other. Supposedly they actually forgot one of the ritually important bits for Victoria and had to hurriedly slot it in before the end once someone realised.

If you're going to keep the monarchy, keep the coronation. The only point of them is the glamour and ceremony - they have no early purpose existing otherwise. Except possibly Princess Anne, who doesn't really go in for the glitter anyway and is a more genuinely "Republican" style public servant anyway.

Obviously I think you're mad for having a monarchy at all, but if you're going to do it, do it right.

(Although I did struggle with the gold dressing gown, I have to admit.)

Absolutely, everyone seems to forget this, the European royals as far as I’m aware are not head of the church of their country so no wonder they only have a registry office type do.

And watching Tom Cruise / American Idol clips is that?

People seem excited to emoji level that no one is talking about whatever he did. Maybe people are very uninterested

Unless republican

Well it’s good that some sections of society apply objective thought to important matters such as our constitution and if we want an elected head of state, rather than just being taken in by the bling, ancient artefacts and lovely music?

Aren’t we lucky that our elected representatives have never done anything cringeworthy, or resorted to tacky media stunts, themselves! 🤣🤣🤣

Elected heads of state are generally ceremonial roles with responsibility for the overseeing the laws and rules of governance. Steinmeier, for example, has a mostly ceremonial role in Germany that functionally provides a degree of continuity between administrations following an election. Macron's role in France is somewhat different.

If the monarchy was replaced there would have to be a discussion around what type of role was desired. But the argument that an elected head of state would be political seems odd, when the House of Lords composed of unelected political appointees,

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Yes, it's appalling how the Met has turned it to Lincs Police when these officers were drafted in from other Police forces to do their work. And you can't tell me they don't have briefings. They will have known exactly what they were supposed to be doing. I must check if this has reached the australian press

As for the American Idol and Tom Cruise.. it was really naff.

Absolutely this, I couldn't have put it better myself.

It's a rare occurrence, I was ambivalent about this coronation, but wanted to watch as it's the first one in my lifetime and who knows if I'll be alive or able to watch the next one in about 20 years time.

It's hardly a regular occurrence, 1937, 1953, 2023 and then the next is likely about 20 years away.

I thought it was magnificent actually, the music was to die for. The ancient rituals, it was wonderful. If they all walked around dressed like that all the time I might think differently.

Yes the Tom Cruise and American Idol clips - which incidentally I have read about since, I did not watch - are part of that because it speaks to what the RF is all about and their intent?

Repairing ties with the US post-Brexit, with Sunak as pm, post-Harry would seem to be some of them? Nothing happens by coincidence at this level and its not a bad aim actually but not if you destroy your credibility in the process!

You should read some of the comments in US newspapers about the American idol appearance and how it went down with the American public!

No

No king or queen should be head of a church. Are they theologians? Do they have a superior knowledge of religion or any other relevant topics? Plain and big NO.

Well seeing as Henry V111 established the Church of England I don’t see the issue, the Archbishop of Canterbury doesn’t seem to mind either.

You need to Google why and how the Church of England was created!🙄

Do you think I don’t know?
😂😂😂😂

it is completely ridiculous in the current context.

It does not make any sense, as many of the things we are discussing. We can keep some of them as they are nice-ish but other things are anachronisms difficult to justify.

@BMW6 sorry, I find the idea of having to Google that completely condescending and laughable.

Why?

Assuming I don’t know about it!
On top of this, maybe I know much more about the topic than you think. And more than you!

You are on social media. No-one knows how much or how little you know about anything. Or cares, come to that.

Also, lots of things about all organised religions look ridiculous in a more secular age. But still, religions persist.

And? It IS condescending anyway.

It’s not about one or the other though is it?
Tacky media stunts by Alexander Johnson were just as reprehensible! No one is perfect but I think you should be more likely to get an appropriate candidate through a proper accountable and tea sparen voting system rather than relying on accident of birth! We might be crowning Andrew now if things were slightly different!

Keep.

I loved the symbolism of it. I loved the link to history and the continuity.
I love the Abby, the music was sublime.
I loved seeing the proud troops marching.

I found it very moving.

I also loved the fact we had protestors. (and am concerned about the police over reaching against lawful protest.)

We should be proud of our nation and proud that we are free to criticise it.

It is not the religion per se

It is the fact that Charles ( Camilla helping ...) are automatically head of said religion and anointed ans presented with 'artefacts' and given the people to rule over .
That's what the oaths mean

I really don't care one way or the other re the Windsors . Let them continue the dress up by all means .
But they should have no automatic role in our democracy, no money from the tax payer .
The COE will be no doubt reluctant to be removed as official state religion ( how low does the % of attendees have to get??) but that is no reason to continue with this charade
There is ritual and there is cosplay
The line is blurred re the coronation

Yes Novella I'm on the same page as you with the religion aspect. To me the Coronation is dressed in a mantel of faith for the purpose of control. Words from the bible and 'from god' should not be misused in this way to control our perceptions. There were many repetitive verses and amens in that service to legitimise Charles status as being head of the church. Its the kind of language cults use. Call Charles 'King' if you like but his status has got nothing to do with god.