"The Royal Family lost a big asset" conversation

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Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with people constantly saying that the Royal Family lost their biggest asset in Meghan because having a person of colour on the Buckingham Palace balcony would've been a nod to our current society, who's more diverse. As a black woman, this is actually offensive (and I'm not even a fan o Meghan) but to me, it just proves to me that you see her as nothing more than a non-white token who can be used to make the Royal Family look more diverse

Forgot to add...

This horrible attitude was evident in a post I read yesterday on another thread where several pps were commenting spitefully that Kate (and I think others??) had been sneering at the Gospel group at the coronation. All these people were doing was smiling, but no - to some people on MN, it has to be 'sneering'. If they'd been listening solemnly, I bet that would have been wrong too, and they'd be accused of being contemptuous.

The amount of projection of spiteful motives which are projected on to others on this forum is ridiculous. Says a lot about the posters themselves.

Lobelia123 has made a very good point about their popularity and star quality. I don't know if anyone else remembers the media reports of royal unrest at the time because no one else is allowed to outshine the heirs, something still played out with Charles' anger if his son and daughter-in-law seem more popular than he is. Perhaps that was another reason Meghan and Harry were briefed against and driven out as well as the frosty way they were treated.

notanotheroneagain · Today 07:11

MM complained because she was not getting that support from the establishment. Kate/Camilla and others have nothing to complain about because they are getting the support from their establishment, hence everyone else talking out there is just noise.
From what I understood of it, MM was used to publicity, therefore all that noise out there would not matter to her. She kept on telling everyone, don't worry the palace is protecting me, only to find the palace is the one creating and amplifying that noise/negativity. Harry had to take her out. She is happy now, her family and friends are not her enemies briefing against her, they have her back.

I've rarely read such twaddle!

Why would "the Palace" protect other incomers and not Meghan? Camilla had far more "past" to overcome, and at first the Queen didn't like her.

Or maybe it was after the Staff had had enough of the bullying? Getting their revenge.

Good to know she's happy now - give her my best wishes when you speak to her again....

Of course it wasn't just about her hair 😂she gave up her career, friends, privacy etc up to and including what she wore, her hair styles, the opinions she expressed.

She chose to do that, in order to 'fit in' with her husband's career, and having made that choice, didn't complain about it. It would have been perfectly reasonable to choose differently.

Harry and Meghan chose to be working royals, which comes with certain restrictions. And then complained about the restrictions.

Now they aren't working royals they don't have those restrictions.

Why would "the Palace" protect other incomers and not Meghan? Camilla had far more "past" to overcome, and at first the Queen didn't like her.

Because they married the heirs, and would be known as Queen. Duh !

What a really horrible way to talk about someone. Her husband gave her something that belonged to his dead mother. She's now wearing it. Why are you being so spiteful about someone you don't know and for so little reason?

I think the point the poster was making that she chose to arrange the pap session at the time that she did, and also chose to wear a very expensive watch for a walk in the woods.

It's not about her having the watch as such.

I saw kate and Charlotte looking really happy at the gospel singers, the people insisting she was sneering, are the ones with the problem.

notanotheroneagain · Today 10:51
Because they married the heirs, and would be known as Queen. Duh !

All the more reason for QE to disapprove. Those who would be Queen would, by her, be held to a far higher standard than a mere Duchess. Duh!

What is odd about this?
I have an expensive watch. It is the only valuable thing I bought myself after both parents died close together. I wear it all the time.

To you (or the poster who said this) it's not about having the watch as such... but it is obviously about daring to wear it which is one of the most peculiar things I've heard.

Should she be dressed in sackcloth and ashes?

I mean... come on.... criticise Meghan when you really have to, but this is just odd.

You know what I find insulting, the fact that you minimize what kate and camilla, diana, Fergie and even bea and Eugene have gone through when they were attacked by the media, and the palace didn't go out of their way to issue statements telling the press to stop it.

When the press were calling kate all sorts of insulting names, like waity katy or wisteria sister, or that her commoner blood would make for a darker baby, the palace didnt release any statements condemning those.

What kind of support did Meghan want? If it was to do with getting treatment for her suicidal thoughts, it was on Harry as her husband who should have helped her get therapy. He even had a therapist on speed dial, so why didn't he get her help?

If the support she wanted was for the palace to to issue press rebuttals for every criticism she received via the press, then that would have been an endless neverending task and would have further inflamed tensions between the palace and the media. When the palace wouldn't even issue continuous rebuttals against the press for the princess of wales, why did Meghan expect special treatment?

Or if the support Meghan wanted was to be able to do as she pleased, to change the monarchy to how she thought it should be, for the palace to treat her and harry as equals to heirs to the throne, so they can be the faces of the monarchy, then she should never have joined the institution in the first place as a working member of the royal family.

And here’s the thing that the Meghan supporters don't get, no one forced Meghan to sign up to become a working member of the royal family! In fact, William told Harry to slow down, the queen and Charles suggested that Meghan continue working as an actress, but both she and harry insisted that she should join so she could hit the ground running when it came to royal work.

Is that so hard to comprehend? The royal family didn't force Meghan to join, they in fact gave her the option to continue working as an actress, but when both her and Harry insisted, the Queen gave her advisors and staff, but neither of them listened to the advice that was given.

This is like an employee joining a company and complaining that they're not being catered to and theyre not being allowed to change the workplace to their liking.

And for the rest of you who are insulted because I dared to compare Kate to Michelle, yes I do see some similarities between the two women just like I see similarities between kate and the queen. They know how to follow the rules and procedures, they know how to be good diplomats in representing their countries, and they know how to rise above it all when it comes to the press attacks, and have also made the choice to support their husbands in their role/chosen career. In fact, kate’s or camilla’s role is effectively that of the First Lady. So not sure why the controversy?

Rubbish, the Harkles didn’t want to ‘make it work’.

Yeah I meant I assumed that means it must be an arranged pap shot since I don’t think you’d wear a priceless (and valuable) heirloom like that for a regular hike, not that she shouldn’t have been given it.

I hike, I walk miles. I went to Peak District to hike... 15-20 miles a day. I wore my v expensive watch. What is so odd about this?

There was no hike. Just a piece of PR nonsense. All quite harmless.

The watch was Diana’s it’s not just an expensive watch

It's her watch. Mine is hugely sentimental too.

I honestly don't get this sort of criticism. Sometimes when posters criticise something, I get it. Even if I don't necessarily agree with it. I can understand the ciriticism because they aren't perfect, she isn't, and I can think I understand why those that don't like her would be annoyed by this, whatever it is.

But this... I do not get.

I randomly wear inherited jewellery at different times. I just find it bizarre that her wearing this watch is such a big thing on here. It's on another thread too.

You’re overthinking it. It’s barely even criticism. It’s a clue that it’s a staged shot. That’s all.

Hmmm.... people do pop jewellery on as and when they fancy. I have something I wear (don't want to say what) and I pop it on when I fancy. When I'm in the mood.
But this is Meghan so I suppose everything is pre-planned for exposure and she never has random thoughts like the rest of the human race...

To be a white member of the Royal family, you need to have a degree and no meaningful work or charitable experience.

To be a black member of the Royal family, you will also need the experience of Michelle Obama (who apparently never faced appalling racism or set the example to all back people of being able to rise above it all, because it's all good fun and she never took herself seriously.

Michelle’s experience as a First Lady is comparable to Kate’s or Camilla’s role as the wives to the heir/monarc. Not sure why that is so controversial to compare them both?

Also, regardless of what you think about Kate, she does get involved with charity work and she does her job as the princess of wales effectively. she was able to rise above the hate against her.

And way to go twisting my words, I never denied that Michelle faced racism, or said it was all good fun because she never took herself seriously. What I wrote was that Michelle had the ability (like the Queen and Kate) to rise above the hate, to remain graceful and dignified despite the pressure on her. I said that’s part of the reason why I think it would take someone with Michelle’s personality to become an effective member of the royal family, where she would actually be an asset instead of a liability.

See people of colour, the difference is that even if the security implications for her and her family was never dismissed by the institution around her, that's the type of dignity you need. Yes the Palace will issue a quick correction to the idea that Kate dyes her hair but the black woman can put on her big girl pants.)

I guess you’ve also ignored some of the statements that the palace released as corrections on behalf or in support of Meghan? It may not have been an ongoing thing but they did occur.

Also, the palace had no say regarding the kind of security that both Meghan and Harry demanded. This was tax payer funded security btw, and this level of security they wanted was basically the equivalent to the type of security that the president of the USA and other heads of state would get. Are you saying that both Meghan and Harry warranted that type of security even when they decided to leave the royal family and moved to the USA? Because the thing is, the government department that is responsible for deciding who gets that special security have determined that the Sussexes don’t have the same level of threat as Charles, camilla, and william and Kate, to justify them continuing to have special security in an ongoing basis. Why is that so hard to understand? Again, it’s not the palace who took away their security. the internal risk assessment that was done for the Sussexes apparently wasn’t so serious that they needed to have round the clock security when they left their roles as working members of the royal family. Feeling unsafe is different to actually being unsafe.

Feeling unsafe is different to actually being unsafe.

It has been said many times by former security that they were at extreme risk and some of those protecting them had never seen anything like it before. Despite people with no clue frequently denying paps followed her everywhere, security have spoken about being followed dangerously many times. Meghan got texts from psychos saying they knew where she lived and they were going to kill her.

Racism is quite different from meanness. People have said many times here, Harry has said it too, all the women get way worse treatment and I’ve mentioned here that Eugenie and Beatrice have been treated horribly, and their mother. Once again though, racism is not the same and it is much much worse to deal with especially as it clearly incited a huge amount of racism and hatred online.

I don’t understand why you’re so upset about this. The average person wouldn’t wear a priceless family heirloom on a hike because the risk of it getting lost would be too great. She wore it in unusual circumstances because it’s about curating her image to project what she wants to project (her links to Diana). Meghan never just throws on any old clothes or jewellery randomly. She employs stylists and dressers. If Kate was photographed wearing Diana’s diamond and pearl earrings for a walk in the countryside you’d say it was PR, rightly.

Why on earth do you think I'm upset?! 😂 I'm on a discussion forum typing random thoughts, if it was upsetting for me, I would not be here!

To be honest with you, I thought Meghan looked a bit unkempt and not up together at all with the hiking picture, odd T shirt, she almost looked like she'd grabbed the nearest thing to wear. Apart from the hat, she rocks hats. Wish I did.

Kate was photographed doing rock climbing with very expensive jewellery on! I never gave it another thought, up to her!

But that's different. She can.
Meghan can't lol

Please... just because I don't get the point about this, or disagree, don't think I am upset. I'm not, I'm eating fruit gums typing random nonsense like everyone else on here !

It has been said many times by former security that they were at extreme risk and some of those protecting them had never seen anything like it before. Despite people with no clue frequently denying paps followed her everywhere, security have spoken about being followed dangerously many times. Meghan got texts from psychos saying they knew where she lived and they were going to kill her.

Except you are relying on the words of a former security member who no longer has any access to the current risk info/ assessment of the Sussexes, and who is also entangled in his own issues against the government.

Again, you can claim all you want about how much at risk the Sussexes are, but the department who oversees the security for the royals and those who qualify for IPP, have done their own internal risk assessment (where they have the latest info on the level of threat that the Sussexes face) and have determined that the Sussexes don’t warrant this special type of security in an ongoing basis. Instead they determined it to be on a case by case basis that will be continuously assessed.

if you know better than the people who assess these risks, please contact them so that you can help harry and Meghan to obtain the special security that they want (which is also conveniently free of charge for them because it’s tax payer funded).

Racism is quite different from meanness. People have said many times here, Harry has said it too, all the women get way worse treatment and I’ve mentioned here that Eugenie and Beatrice have been treated horribly, and their mother. Once again though, racism is not the same and it is much much worse to deal with especially as it clearly incited a huge amount of racism and hatred online.

Except racism isn’t worse than sexism and sexual harassment, which aren’t just ‘meanness’ as you call it. Kate faced both sexism and sexual harassment, her phone was hacked hundreds of times, she was stalked by the media, there were upskirt and topless photos taken of her, even photos of her in sexual engagement with William, and she was called slut and whore and other disgusting names by the paparazzi. It wasn’t just meanness. For you to minimise that because she didn’t face racism, despite one CNN article claiming that her baby would be darker because of her commoner blood, shows that you clearly don’t understand the abuse she endured, which started when she was dating william and when she had no royal protection whatsoever.

MamoruHisaishi - you have pretty much written a 10 k essay on this thread. This must be your passion project.

I doubt that very much. A woman coming over from America with innovations would annoy the Conservative pres - who don't like Americans.