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"The Royal Family lost a big asset" conversation

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Nono22972 · 08/05/2023 12:43

Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with people constantly saying that the Royal Family lost their biggest asset in Meghan because having a person of colour on the Buckingham Palace balcony would've been a nod to our current society, who's more diverse. As a black woman, this is actually offensive (and I'm not even a fan o Meghan) but to me, it just proves to me that you see her as nothing more than a non-white token who can be used to make the Royal Family look more diverse

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frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:35

Not sure why you made a comment about the royal family in relation to that comment.

You don't see the relevance when discussing pr & charity...

PomTiddlyPom · 08/05/2023 18:36

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:34

And do you have a photo of you posing exactly like diana, wearing similar clothing, in Africa as well?

Yes I do, from a safari trip where I was wearing a shirt & listening to a guide. It's really not unusual to wear shirts or have your hands on your hips 🤷🏻‍♀️

You mean the exact same blouse and bottom?
You do realise that Meghan has people to sort her wardrobe, right? She doesn't just roll out of bed and decide what to wear.
Said people would have been aware of any similarities w.r.t photo optics

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:39

@Divebar2021 wasn't Meghan pregnant & then on mat leave in 2019?

HairyKitty · 08/05/2023 18:40

I think assuming that Megan represents all black/non white people is pretty shallow and borderline racist. Just because she isn’t white doesn’t mean she should or should not have been a good fit with her in laws, nor is the fact that it didn’t work out necessarily in any way related to her race….but oh the number of people who really wish it was 🙄

PomTiddlyPom · 08/05/2023 18:41

HairyKitty · 08/05/2023 18:40

I think assuming that Megan represents all black/non white people is pretty shallow and borderline racist. Just because she isn’t white doesn’t mean she should or should not have been a good fit with her in laws, nor is the fact that it didn’t work out necessarily in any way related to her race….but oh the number of people who really wish it was 🙄

Well she is though. She's as white, as she is black. :)
As a mixed race (multiple!) I think people either see her as a token, or as an individual.
The royal family is a hierarchy - that's the whole point. It's not about who's an 'asset', or otherwise. It's about who's entitled to stuff just because of whose vagina they popped out of.
Why does anybody expect them to be as 'diverse as the people they serve'? If we had true diversity and equality they wouldn't exist at all.

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 18:42

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:16

How do you know that the firm has no problem with Andrew? He's been stripped of his royal duties, and has not been seen with the main members of the royal family apart from family type events like church walks and so on.

Also, it's funny how you and others here insist that the firm has no problem with Andrew when the same could be said of Harry and Meghan. For all their criticisms against the royal family, I have yet to hear any criticism that they have made against Andrew himself. So why is that?

Andrew was wearing his robe.

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:42

You mean the exact same blouse and bottom?

They don't look the exact same to me, I see a generic white shirt & black trousers. What do you see? Did they have the same shoes on? Diana is wearing a big belt & bigger earrings. Meghan is wearing a tied shirt & trousers with a bow. Do you have any full length photos?

Sudeko · 08/05/2023 18:43

Her time in the royal family was successful in that she created huge financial opportunities for herself in record time. She barely did any work in order to 'earn' the right legitimately before breaking away but that does not seem to bother her. Instead of breaking poc stereotypes she reinforced them and arguably set race relations back several years. She let down poc, using identification with them to advance her argument.

Whaeanui · 08/05/2023 18:43

Bluegrass · 08/05/2023 16:26

The Royal Family fundamentally believe that the importance of a person, their station in life, is determined at birth. They have a hierarchy amongst themselves, but also believe that they are placed above us, and that that is the natural way of things.

How a young black woman from America - with a cultural history steeped in white races believing that they are inherently superior to her, who comes from a land that at least claims to believe that all people are born equal and should rise by merit and effort- how such a woman could ever have found a comfortable place within the British Royal Family is beyond me.

She would have been an asset if there is some world where they might have conceivably imagined she wasn’t inferior to them.

👏🏿 absolutely this. What Meghan did wrong was think she was equal to everyone around her.

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:44

You do realise that Meghan has people to sort her wardrobe, right? She doesn't just roll out of bed and decide what to wear.
Said people would have been aware of any similarities w.r.t photo optics

Of course she has dressers, I just don't buy that their brief was copy Diana's exact outfit. You do which is fair enough.

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:47

Instead of breaking poc stereotypes she reinforced them and arguably set race relations back several years. She let down poc, using identification with them to advance her argument

I'm interested in this point @Sudeko. In what way did she "let down poc" or reinforce stereotypes? Also why should she carry all that burden in the first place?

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 18:47

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:10

No such thing as a woman with a black mother, being a 'white savour'.

Okay, charity work in Africa for pr purposes. Is that better? You can't tell me that the photo in the link wasn't a deliberate attempt to copy Diana when even the placement of Meghan’s sunglasses are in exactly the same place as Diana’s.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/lifestyle/celebrity/story/meghan-markle-copies-princess-diana-s-style-in-photoshoot-disturbing-says-internet-1638556-2020-01-20

The bananas were part of the package and she just instinctively wanted to write a persona message to the women. According to the head of the charity, everyone was happy with this.

Of course the head of the charity would say that. Meghan was a working royal, they couldn't come out and say that some of the women may have felt insulted by those messages. And regardless, even if Meghan did that on instinct, to write those quotes on bananas to sex workers just makes it seem so patronizing. I can only imagine what the outcome would have been if Catherine did something like that. And I would criticize her as well if she ever did do something like that.

I think that's one of the main differences between Meghan and Diana. Diana came across as authentic and someone who knew how to treat people with dignity and humanity without ever coming across as patronizing them.

A word salad to you cause your not listening, and your mind is clouded with negativity against her. Or maybe you are too thick to understand.

Of course you're now going with the insults. Typical. Yes sure, I'm oh so thick to understand Meghan’s statements. the below statements from Meghan truly are profound and meaningful and not at all cringy word salads:

One of the first things my husband saw when we walked around the house was those two palm trees. See how they’re connected at the bottom? He goes, 'My love, it’s us.'  And now every day when Archie goes by us, he says, 'Hi, Momma. Hi, Papa.'"

I was sitting in Nottingham cottage and The Little Mermaid came on," Meghan recalled. "And who as an adult really watches The Little Mermaid but it came on and I was like, 'Well I'm here all the time I might as well watch this,' and I went, 'Oh my God she falls in love with the prince and because of that she loses her voice.' "
The soon-to-be mother of two added, "But in the end she gets her voice back."

As for merching. The queen merched gin/tea and all sorts. Charles just released a perfume. Plus he has a whole duchy line at Waitrose for daily marching, wtf?

For one thing, the queen is the head of the monarchy so she gets to have a say with how the royal family brand is used in commercial products. Same thing with Charles since he is now the king. There's certain rules the palace follows in order to sell the products under the royal brand name, and my understanding is that Meghan was not following these rules and was treating it more like a typical Hollywood branding opportunity. Again, that shows how badly she fit because she was not willing to follow the rules and the hierarchy set in place. Just because the queen or king may be able to do certain things as head of the monarchy doesn't mean that Meghan or the other royals get to do the same. Yes it may be unfair but that's part of being in the royal family. Meghan chose to join it, no one forced her to do so.

I noticed you also didn't address my comment that Meghan seems to also have no problem marrying, befriending and interacting with people who have been accused of racism.

You do realise that Meghan took that pic before meeting Harry, right?

This issue ridiculous now.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:49

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:34

And do you have a photo of you posing exactly like diana, wearing similar clothing, in Africa as well?

Yes I do, from a safari trip where I was wearing a shirt & listening to a guide. It's really not unusual to wear shirts or have your hands on your hips 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes sure it may not be unusual except this photo was taken around the time when Meghan would have met Harry in 2016, and also this was a series of photos taken by her photographer, so I doubt that it was all just a simple innocent coincidence. One thing I can say about Meghan is that she would have known what that image would have been compared to, especially if she was already dating Diana’s son.

PomTiddlyPom · 08/05/2023 18:51

Whaeanui · 08/05/2023 18:43

👏🏿 absolutely this. What Meghan did wrong was think she was equal to everyone around her.

At the end of the day despite all the fanfare she was the wife of the future King's second son. Just like how focus on Princess Anne's children faded away as KC had his own.
I don't think Meghan would have been able to accept that.

PomTiddlyPom · 08/05/2023 18:53

PomTiddlyPom · 08/05/2023 18:51

At the end of the day despite all the fanfare she was the wife of the future King's second son. Just like how focus on Princess Anne's children faded away as KC had his own.
I don't think Meghan would have been able to accept that.

Also 'was' as in the Queen was still alive at the time of their marriage! So at that time 3 generations from the throne.
She was not a 'modernising' and 'revolutionising' force, especially as KC had already expressed a desire to trim down the RF.
I do think she had a tendency to think it would be a glam life, in the spotlight, maybe so for a short time. But that would have worn away as William's children grew.

crumpet · 08/05/2023 18:59

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 18:42

Andrew was wearing his robe.

Not to offer any view on Andrew as such, but I don’t think he was wearing the robes in his capacity as “Prince Andrew”, but rather they were the uniform of something like the Knights Garter/ Privy Councillor (or whatever the role is)

Bananah · 08/05/2023 19:06

If there was a woman of colour who would have joined the royal family, I wish it would have been someone like Michelle Obama or even Amal Clooney. But then again, neither of them would have ever married someone like Harry.
This. Meghan was never royal, or even dignified or classy. She was all about her own self interest, not serving the public or the crown. She was happy to throw others under the bus if it got her what she wanted. So no, I don’t feel the RF has lost an asset. She was a liability. I do feel that a POC would be an asset but colour alone isn’t enough - they also need to behave appropriately and have a sense of duty to the crown.

Divebar2021 · 08/05/2023 19:08

wasn't Meghan pregnant & then on mat leave in 2019?

I think you’re right @frankgu but I don’t have that many years to go at. Here are the 2018 stats. I’m not saying there aren’t reasons why they’re low I’m just responding to the comment that her official engagements were up there with the busiest Royal and she was this incredibly hard worker. The busiest Royals are the Queens “children” who are aged in their 60’s and 70’s.

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notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 19:10

crumpet · 08/05/2023 18:59

Not to offer any view on Andrew as such, but I don’t think he was wearing the robes in his capacity as “Prince Andrew”, but rather they were the uniform of something like the Knights Garter/ Privy Councillor (or whatever the role is)

Why is he wearing anything of any capacity.

Harry had to wear a suit.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 19:12

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 18:47

You do realise that Meghan took that pic before meeting Harry, right?

This issue ridiculous now.

We also don't know the exact time line when Harry and Meghan met because they've changed their story twice now as to how they first met. First it was set up as a blind date, and now the story is that they first got to know about each other via Instagram. I just find it a little strange how Meghan, someone who grew up in Hollywood, who is an actress/influencer herself, would have had a photo of her posing and dressing similarly to diana right around the time that she got to know harry. I mean, it doesn't make her a bad person if that was deliberate on her part. In fact it is very typical, something I would expect from someone who is a Hollywood celebrity.

thebellagio · 08/05/2023 19:16

The thing that’s always struck me is that she comes across as a type-A, meticulously well organised, well researched person. I imagine as a patron she was excellent for really knowing her stuff. But for some reason, allegedly she did no research whatsoever on what being part of the royal family meant, claiming she didn’t need Sophie’s assistance, because she had Harry.

well Harry did sweet FA didn’t he? I’ve said on here many times, she didn’t have an in law problem, she had a shit husband problem who didn’t bother to tell her the stuff she didn’t know. The joking way they talk about how he didn’t prepare her to meet the Queen, until they were in the car - the reaction from her should have been “FFS why didn’t you tell me before?”

to me, nearly everything comes back to him not preparing her properly because he knew damn well if she knew what to expect she would run. He put her in this position, not his family.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 19:19

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:35

Not sure why you made a comment about the royal family in relation to that comment.

You don't see the relevance when discussing pr & charity...

I was responding to this quote:

she is naturally interested in charity work and did this before she met Harry.

And imo, she came across as someone who was using charity to promote herself. The photos I've seen of her remind me of a typical Hollywood celebrity ala Angelina Jolie/influencer/princess Diana surrounding herself with smiling African children dressed in stylish outfits.

NorthernGnashers · 08/05/2023 19:22

What @CoffeeCantata said.
What disappointed me before MM flounced off, it seemed that KC had really made an effort to welcome her into the RF, even giving her away at the wedding. Then, given her actress background, she was made patron of the National Theatre, an honour which she chose to disregard, now the same role is taken up by the new Duke of Edinburgh, who appears boring and bland. (Sorry luvvies!) Grin

Riapia · 08/05/2023 19:23

Being a pain in the arse didn’t help her cause.
😉😁😁

adriftinadenofvipers · 08/05/2023 19:34

She was a liability right from the start. She's a narcissist and he is a fool.

She will get bored with her thick husband eventually! He will be in the doggy doo then. No family, no real friends, and his kids living in the US.