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"The Royal Family lost a big asset" conversation

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Nono22972 · 08/05/2023 12:43

Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with people constantly saying that the Royal Family lost their biggest asset in Meghan because having a person of colour on the Buckingham Palace balcony would've been a nod to our current society, who's more diverse. As a black woman, this is actually offensive (and I'm not even a fan o Meghan) but to me, it just proves to me that you see her as nothing more than a non-white token who can be used to make the Royal Family look more diverse

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queenofarles · 08/05/2023 17:20

A mixed race woman marrying into the royal family doesn’t represent or reflect society, zero gain to anyone,

It’s people with different ethnicities , Faith and backgrounds Being represented and respected as vital members of society are the true marker of a diverse society,

CoffeeCantata · 08/05/2023 17:22

notanotheroneagain · T

Oh? Did you feel that Cressida was all 'actressy'?

I'm not sure I understand your question but...

Cressida is certainly an actress. Whether she's 'actressy', I don' t know because I've only ever seen photos of her - I've never seen her address a gathering or be interviewed - but I get the impression that, off the stage, she's a private person. It's a personal thing - but I'm allergic to that breathy, exaggerated, oily charm that some people switch on when they know they're on view. That's my impression of Meghan in all I've seen of her - that she's playing a part. I find it off-putting - but clearly many, many people buy it!

I always suspect with people like that there must be another side to them which isn't so nice. It just screams 'false' to me.

HTH.

Nono22972 · 08/05/2023 17:23

Nono22972 · 08/05/2023 17:19

It was doomed from the very beginning. Harry can say all he wants that they wanted to make it work but it's clear he thought of leaving even before he met Meghan. I do think they love each other and are a team but they clearly used each other.

She was his ticket to get out of the family and he was her ticket to fame, celebrity and money

I also think Harry is to blame. Meghan said several times that she wasn't prepared for royal life. I really think that she didn't know what she was getting herself into and that is on Harry.

Also, she was friends with Eugenie before meeting Harry. I think this is the life she thought she would live: do some work and mix with celebrities like the York sisters have done for years

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NurseCranesRolodex · 08/05/2023 17:26

Don't think "M" was an asset. She turned out to be self centered, drama courting and horrible to staff. I hope she stays away.

Eyewantobreakfree · 08/05/2023 17:34

I think Harry and Meghan made a mistake by marrying so quickly. They should have courted much longer so both could adapt. She could have made a difference. Their wedding was spectacular and it did seem the beginning of something magnificent. It’s a shame it turned out the way it did.

freddieatemyhamster · 08/05/2023 17:38

I really think that she didn't know what she was getting herself into and that is on Harry.

Well, yes, why didn't he prep her more and get the support she needed if he is so aware of MH issues? Megan was perhaps naive and thought she'd play it like another acting gig but the RF is more rigid and demanding than she allowed for. Shame, she was a breath of fresh air for a while. California is the best place for them both really.

ImAvingOops · 08/05/2023 17:42

I think all the RF should have some kind of security (except PA, he can sort himself out!) because they are potential targets for terrorists. So I think requesting that wasn't unreasonable.
There was an opportunity for M&H, W&K to modernise the RF and keep it relevant - it is a lost opportunity.
But M was a bad fit and the whole thing has been completely bungled in PR terms. It's a shame because the public were genuinely happy H had found someone and there was a lot of very good feeling towards them as a couple.

It's a shame for both sides that there couldn't be a compromise reached

polkadotdalmation · 08/05/2023 17:46

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 15:36

The Marquee of Bath is aristo, not married to the RF. MM married an actual prince. That is a step too far for the white supremacists.

These are aristos in the background that no one looks at, bows to etc.

Oh, dear, someone did get out of the wrong side of the bed, this morning.

polkadotdalmation · 08/05/2023 17:50

Addymontgomeryfan · 08/05/2023 15:44

I hate that anyone who dares to criticise Meghan is immediately classed as racist. The majority of criticisms against her are not racially motivated. She is just someone who was never going to fit into the royal family and the place in it that Harry had, she seemed to want to be higher up the pecking order.

I'm saying this as someone from a mixed race family before the Meghan fans jump on me.

Yes, we're white supremacists because we think it crass and insensitive to criticise someone wearing ££££ designer clothes to an african charity event, in africa, and then complain about poor little me.

polkadotdalmation · 08/05/2023 17:52

jacqui5366 · 08/05/2023 16:02

This is where it all went wrong - she and Hazbeen could have shone this weekend

I want a refund on that expensive wedding my taxes paid for!

polkadotdalmation · 08/05/2023 17:55

@Bellevu So where is your evidence for this claim I'm black and the royal family sent messages to those of us in the UK and the commonwealth that once someone of colour steps outside cleaning duties, the gloves are off.

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MrsFinkelstein · 08/05/2023 18:03

I think she could have been an asset, but she wasn't.

She worked for 72 days from 2018 to 2020. She didn't outwork anyone and didn't even come close.

IMO her mistake was in "wanting to hit the ground running". She would never have been able to. Frankly no one could. Would have been far better to have a much reduced role, focus on having her babies and seeing how the Family worked behind the scenes, and slowly step up Royal duties - if that's what she decided she wanted to do after gaining some understanding of what being a working Royal meant.

We (incl her to be honest) were all swept up by the "Disney Princess/Princess Diaries" look of it all.

MagnificentDelurker · 08/05/2023 18:06

frankgu · 08/05/2023 17:03

They have no problem with Andrew for example.

Exactly this which makes the whole thing ridiculous. Meghan may be spoilt, entitled, cunning blah blah blah. So what?

Exactly!!! I thought the royals had to put the firm first not their feelings.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:10

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 15:50

It all seemed so contrived and white saviour type to me,

No such thing as a woman with a black mother, being a 'white savour'.

Also, writing inspirational quotes on bananas to give to sex workers was so cheesy and patronizing, like why can't she treat these women with dignity and respect?

The bananas were part of the package and she just instinctively wanted to write a persona message to the women. According to the head of the charity, everyone was happy with this.

And Meghan may be a great public speaker but her words lack substance, they're mostly a bunch of word salad that's nowhere near deep or insightful.

A word salad to you cause your not listening, and your mind is clouded with negativity against her. Or maybe you are too thick to understand.

As for merching. The queen merched gin/tea and all sorts. Charles just released a perfume. Plus he has a whole duchy line at Waitrose for daily marching, wtf?

No such thing as a woman with a black mother, being a 'white savour'.

Okay, charity work in Africa for pr purposes. Is that better? You can't tell me that the photo in the link wasn't a deliberate attempt to copy Diana when even the placement of Meghan’s sunglasses are in exactly the same place as Diana’s.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/lifestyle/celebrity/story/meghan-markle-copies-princess-diana-s-style-in-photoshoot-disturbing-says-internet-1638556-2020-01-20

The bananas were part of the package and she just instinctively wanted to write a persona message to the women. According to the head of the charity, everyone was happy with this.

Of course the head of the charity would say that. Meghan was a working royal, they couldn't come out and say that some of the women may have felt insulted by those messages. And regardless, even if Meghan did that on instinct, to write those quotes on bananas to sex workers just makes it seem so patronizing. I can only imagine what the outcome would have been if Catherine did something like that. And I would criticize her as well if she ever did do something like that.

I think that's one of the main differences between Meghan and Diana. Diana came across as authentic and someone who knew how to treat people with dignity and humanity without ever coming across as patronizing them.

A word salad to you cause your not listening, and your mind is clouded with negativity against her. Or maybe you are too thick to understand.

Of course you're now going with the insults. Typical. Yes sure, I'm oh so thick to understand Meghan’s statements. the below statements from Meghan truly are profound and meaningful and not at all cringy word salads:

One of the first things my husband saw when we walked around the house was those two palm trees. See how they’re connected at the bottom? He goes, 'My love, it’s us.'  And now every day when Archie goes by us, he says, 'Hi, Momma. Hi, Papa.'"

I was sitting in Nottingham cottage and The Little Mermaid came on," Meghan recalled. "And who as an adult really watches The Little Mermaid but it came on and I was like, 'Well I'm here all the time I might as well watch this,' and I went, 'Oh my God she falls in love with the prince and because of that she loses her voice.' "
The soon-to-be mother of two added, "But in the end she gets her voice back."

As for merching. The queen merched gin/tea and all sorts. Charles just released a perfume. Plus he has a whole duchy line at Waitrose for daily marching, wtf?

For one thing, the queen is the head of the monarchy so she gets to have a say with how the royal family brand is used in commercial products. Same thing with Charles since he is now the king. There's certain rules the palace follows in order to sell the products under the royal brand name, and my understanding is that Meghan was not following these rules and was treating it more like a typical Hollywood branding opportunity. Again, that shows how badly she fit because she was not willing to follow the rules and the hierarchy set in place. Just because the queen or king may be able to do certain things as head of the monarchy doesn't mean that Meghan or the other royals get to do the same. Yes it may be unfair but that's part of being in the royal family. Meghan chose to join it, no one forced her to do so.

I noticed you also didn't address my comment that Meghan seems to also have no problem marrying, befriending and interacting with people who have been accused of racism.

Meghan Markle copies Princess Diana's style in photoshoot. Disturbing, says Internet

Meghan Markle copied Princess Diana's style in a photoshoot and the internet found it disturbing.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/lifestyle/celebrity/story/meghan-markle-copies-princess-diana-s-style-in-photoshoot-disturbing-says-internet-1638556-2020-01-20

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:16

MagnificentDelurker · 08/05/2023 18:06

Exactly!!! I thought the royals had to put the firm first not their feelings.

How do you know that the firm has no problem with Andrew? He's been stripped of his royal duties, and has not been seen with the main members of the royal family apart from family type events like church walks and so on.

Also, it's funny how you and others here insist that the firm has no problem with Andrew when the same could be said of Harry and Meghan. For all their criticisms against the royal family, I have yet to hear any criticism that they have made against Andrew himself. So why is that?

WheelsUp · 08/05/2023 18:17

I agree with you.

The RF aren't really individuals so even if Meghan had stayed, they wouldn't have maximised her strengths if it made others look weak. For example, she is a confident public speaker who would have probably enjoyed doing it more but the hierarchy means that she can only do it in a way that makes the people above her in rank look better iyswim.

Tokenism would have only gone so far in helping her achieve her goals.

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:20

You can't tell me that the photo in the link wasn't a deliberate attempt to copy Diana when even the placement of Meghan’s sunglasses are in exactly the same place as Diana’s.

Seriously?!

I wear my sunglasses like this all the time as I don't like them on my head! It's what millions of women do!

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:21

Okay, charity work in Africa for pr purposes. Is that better?

Do you not think all the Royal charity work is pr?

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:22

polkadotdalmation · 08/05/2023 17:50

Yes, we're white supremacists because we think it crass and insensitive to criticise someone wearing ££££ designer clothes to an african charity event, in africa, and then complain about poor little me.

I was shocked when Meghan spoke about how no one asked her if she was okay, when she was meant to highlight the issues of African women being raped and so on. I mean, surely there's a time and place for her to talk about her issues, without taking away from the plight of the women she was meant to be focusing on. That showed to me her lack of professionalism and again showed just how much she was unsuited for her role.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:24

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:20

You can't tell me that the photo in the link wasn't a deliberate attempt to copy Diana when even the placement of Meghan’s sunglasses are in exactly the same place as Diana’s.

Seriously?!

I wear my sunglasses like this all the time as I don't like them on my head! It's what millions of women do!

And do you have a photo of you posing exactly like diana, wearing similar clothing, in Africa as well?

Divebar2021 · 08/05/2023 18:24

If you looked her list of engagements for that year or so v others who'd been there longer, she was up there in the number and breath

you’re going to have to post some stats on that @Bellevu because the figures I have do not support that claim. In fact her official engagement numbers were bumping along at the bottom. She doesn’t even manage more than Catherine who had 2 little children at this point.

As for threats being made to Archie or Meghan. All the Royal Family have threats made against them… they also have people fixated with them turning up at palaces and official engagements. They just don’t discuss them. If H & M had stayed in the U.K. their protection would have continued so that’s on them.
How the RF can be accused of tokenism I have no idea. They didn’t recruit her for an ad campaign. The King certainly seems to have spent a lot of money on the weddings and supporting them subsequently.

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Bbq1 · 08/05/2023 18:25

Megan didn't make it work as she is a manipulative, fame hungry, lying woman.

Bbq1 · 08/05/2023 18:28

Nothing to do with her colour race. She's jusr a really unpleasant person. Harry too. To think that he used to be one of the most popular royals...

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 18:30

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:21

Okay, charity work in Africa for pr purposes. Is that better?

Do you not think all the Royal charity work is pr?

Someone made a comment that Meghan was naturally interested in charity work even before she met Harry, and I commented that her charity work in Africa came across as contrived and PR driven based on the photos I've seen.

Not sure why you made a comment about the royal family in relation to that comment. My opinion is that Meghan was not an asset to the royal family not because of these charity for PR, but because she did not want to follow the rules, hierarchy and precedence and was unhappy that she wasn't in equal terms to Catherine and William.

frankgu · 08/05/2023 18:34

And do you have a photo of you posing exactly like diana, wearing similar clothing, in Africa as well?

Yes I do, from a safari trip where I was wearing a shirt & listening to a guide. It's really not unusual to wear shirts or have your hands on your hips 🤷🏻‍♀️

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