Page 6 | "The Royal Family lost a big asset" conversation

adriftinadenofvipers · 08/05/2023 21:46

DewinDwl · 08/05/2023 21:21

I don't buy that Meghan was maligned by the press.

Bloody hell you cannot be serious

Bloody hell, I can. She was widely welcomed to begin with.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 21:47

SargentSagittarius · 08/05/2023 21:04

Well, Harry certainly had trouble finding someone.

He had to source from overseas, after his British girlfriends all broke up with him, and now everyone’s seen what happened there….

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He's repulsive. The only things he has going for him are his money, royal background, and being the son of Diana. I think once you get past those things, his racist dumb whiny self are enough to turn most women off and make them run for the hills.

tigger2022 · 08/05/2023 21:50

adriftinadenofvipers · 08/05/2023 21:46

Bloody hell, I can. She was widely welcomed to begin with.

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She always overemphasises the bad and ignores the good but I think that’s what a lot of people do. Like if someone says 99 nice things but 1 criticism, you fixate on the one negative. So I do believe it really is her perception that she got terrible press, even if that wasn’t true on the whole.

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 21:57

skullbabe · 08/05/2023 21:46

The photo was taken in January 2016 and was part of a trip

They met in June 2016.

She looks like a woman wearing a white shirt, a skirt, and sunglasses - hardly the provenance of solely Diana (who was wearing a white shirt, a wide belt, jeans, jewellry and sunglasses).

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Again, the pose itself with similar clothing including where her sunglasses were positioned, a photo that her photographer took while she was posing, I don't think it was just something completely coincidential. We also don't know when Harry and Meghan actually met because they've contradicted their own stories as to how they got to know each other. Also, Meghan was a fashionista instagrammer who was running a blog and was also an actress. She would have been aware of the optics when she struck that pose. And it wasn't just diana she chose to emulate. There were other various poses and clothing where she reminded me of Angelina jolie. Again, I think this was deliberate. That's what I don't get about some of the people here. Like yes. Meghan isn't the evil witch that others make her out to be, but due to her career, she would know all about image and branding and who she wanted to be associated with, with those photos.

crumpet · 08/05/2023 22:04

notanotheroneagain · 08/05/2023 19:10

Why is he wearing anything of any capacity.

Harry had to wear a suit.

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If Harry is not a knight of the garter then he doesn’t get to wear their robes.
(disclaimer - haven’t checked exactly what the robes were, but anyone on the day wearing a special robe was because they were part of whatever role they had. Harry is “just” a Prince, and so didn’t have any special robes)

Dobby123456 · 09/05/2023 06:57

Nono22972 · 08/05/2023 12:43

Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with people constantly saying that the Royal Family lost their biggest asset in Meghan because having a person of colour on the Buckingham Palace balcony would've been a nod to our current society, who's more diverse. As a black woman, this is actually offensive (and I'm not even a fan o Meghan) but to me, it just proves to me that you see her as nothing more than a non-white token who can be used to make the Royal Family look more diverse

I don't think people are being quite as crass as that. She was very good with the crowds, beautiful, lively.

Admittedly, I think maybe if she wasn't so 'modern' the press would have been against 'that American actress' from the start. So, perhaps you have a point.

Bit difficult to win as it's claimed that POC need people who look like them in high positions to feel included, and that's a bit difficult to pull off given the throne is inherited.

notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 08:10

crumpet · 08/05/2023 22:04

If Harry is not a knight of the garter then he doesn’t get to wear their robes.
(disclaimer - haven’t checked exactly what the robes were, but anyone on the day wearing a special robe was because they were part of whatever role they had. Harry is “just” a Prince, and so didn’t have any special robes)

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He shouldn't be 'Knight' of anything. Wasn't Harry stripped of everything?

notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 08:12

tigger2022 · 08/05/2023 21:50

She always overemphasises the bad and ignores the good but I think that’s what a lot of people do. Like if someone says 99 nice things but 1 criticism, you fixate on the one negative. So I do believe it really is her perception that she got terrible press, even if that wasn’t true on the whole.

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Erm, we were all here reading the papers and hearing the commentary.

She was slagged off 99% of the time.
Don't try to rewrite such fresh history, we all saw it.

NormaTheWife · 09/05/2023 08:16

notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 08:12

Erm, we were all here reading the papers and hearing the commentary.

She was slagged off 99% of the time.
Don't try to rewrite such fresh history, we all saw it.

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You reap what you sow.

tigger2022 · 09/05/2023 08:17

notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 08:12

Erm, we were all here reading the papers and hearing the commentary.

She was slagged off 99% of the time.
Don't try to rewrite such fresh history, we all saw it.

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She really didn’t, the coverage at the beginning was so positive. One example of her negative bias was when she said she got terrible coverage from the event she did with the queen, because she didn’t know protocol with the car or something. In fact the coverage was glowing (even articles she used as examples of negative coverage were so sycophantic towards her even) and it was framed as “Queen shows Meghan the ropes”. But not only did she take that as a negative, she ignored all the positive. I think that’s a very human thing to do, but nevertheless her coverage at the beginning was objectively good.

notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 08:34

The coverage about the queen outing was her not wearing a hat or something. It was decided she didn't follow some made up protocol. It was all negative.

Whaeanui · 09/05/2023 08:38

but nevertheless her coverage at the beginning was objectively good.

It was not. There was a lot of racism and that’s why Harry made a statement about it a week after their relationship was made public. She may have had more positive coverage at the start than now, but there was always negativity and also racism and snootiness about her being an actress.

Divebar2021 · 09/05/2023 08:44

She was slagged off 99% of the time

She absolutely wasn’t and even the Oprah interview with its montage of negative headlines had to go to other countries ( eg Australia) to find them. That doesn’t mean that there were none - I can remember seeing a negative news story about the Royal Family as a whole and it was illustrated with a photo of Meghan which I thought was unfair. But you saying she was criticised 99% of the time is untrue.

Whaeanui · 09/05/2023 08:47

It is true. She was criticised for things Kate was praised for often. It’s ridiculous to try and pretend most of the British press hasn’t been horribly negative.

notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 09:07

Whaeanui · 09/05/2023 08:47

It is true. She was criticised for things Kate was praised for often. It’s ridiculous to try and pretend most of the British press hasn’t been horribly negative.

The British morning hosts, even developed some kind of sigh, every time they were going to talk about Meghan, so that you can foretell that she is negative and tiring.

The palace source feeding non stop lies and narratives to the press was endless.

The lengths that the palace went through to denigrate this woman is sinister af.

ajandjjmum · 09/05/2023 09:26

Bellevu · 08/05/2023 16:19

So many of these threads make vague allusions to Meghan not being willing to put in her time and do the work. Give actual examples. Part of the issue with the Palace machinery was that she appeared too on brief and prepared to work hard.

If you looked her list of engagements for that year or so v others who'd been there longer, she was up there in the number and breath. A lot of her charities - including the national theatre fought to keep her as their patron because she was such a change from other Royal patrons who didn't engage.

There was much comment when she was appointed to the NT in 2019 that members were not happy, as she was a 'soap' actor rather than a stage actor. I think she only visited once, so I don't know where you saw that they fought to keep her - after less than a year!

polkadotdalmation · 09/05/2023 09:56

Oh look. A random on the internet can say meghans press coverage at the time was 99% negative, therefore it's true!

Nah, hun, it doesn't work that way.

watcherintherye · 09/05/2023 10:31

MM married an actual prince. That is a step too far for the white supremacists.

That’s just bollocks. Her colour/race had nothing to do with it. Nationality, maybe. The problem with MM and her relationship with the RF is her personality, and the step too far was that she saw herself as a fairytale princess who could circumvent all those stuffy Brits and do Royalty her way. Wasn’t ever going to happen, and it massively put people’s backs up.

She comes across as a pushy and materialistic person, who wants her own way and doesn’t understand the strict hierarchy and protocol of the Royal Family and how constraining it inevitably is for all those who are born or marry in to it. She was never going to be accepting of that. A British WOC would have been far more savvy.

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notanotheroneagain · 09/05/2023 13:57

watcherintherye · 09/05/2023 10:31

MM married an actual prince. That is a step too far for the white supremacists.

That’s just bollocks. Her colour/race had nothing to do with it. Nationality, maybe. The problem with MM and her relationship with the RF is her personality, and the step too far was that she saw herself as a fairytale princess who could circumvent all those stuffy Brits and do Royalty her way. Wasn’t ever going to happen, and it massively put people’s backs up.

She comes across as a pushy and materialistic person, who wants her own way and doesn’t understand the strict hierarchy and protocol of the Royal Family and how constraining it inevitably is for all those who are born or marry in to it. She was never going to be accepting of that. A British WOC would have been far more savvy.

The problem with MM and her relationship with the RF is her personality, and the step too far was that she saw herself as a fairytale princess who could circumvent all those stuffy Brits and do Royalty her way. Wasn’t ever going to happen, and it massively put people’s backs up.

Oh please do tell us how she tried to circumvent everything. How she saw herself as a fairytale princess.

How she was 'pushy' even.

That hierarchy doesn't include feeding lies to the press, by any chance.

BadgerB · 09/05/2023 14:34

polkadotdalmation · Yesterday 21:01
I must admit I side eyed the observation that the royal balcony is all white. My family had a similar photo op at a recent golden wedding celebration, and we were all white too. Does that make us racist, colonialist white supremacists? Or just any normal boring family? Answers not required.

We have a family wedding coming up soon, and - shock, horror, we are all white!
Maybe someone should run out into the street and ask some friendly passing black person if they would please come and join in the picture - so that we won't be shamed

Jux · 09/05/2023 14:34

I did really welcome MEghan initially, and felt rather sad for her that she had to marry Harry who was clearly a bit of a dick. I have always blamed Harry for the lack of success she's met in understanding how the RF works, what the British public expects in return for all the 'glory', pomp and circumstance, riches etc she would receive. I also blame Harry for failing so dismally at smoothing things over before they became soooo entrenched and vicious.

That said, I don't think she's gelped him at all either. It seems they've brought out the worst in each other and now I want nothing to do with either of them. Let them retire to the US, and stay there. Fallnto forgettableness - it's not like it's not happened before. They would do well to take Edward/Wallis as their example and follow that to the letter, retire quietly and keep out of the light.

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Riverlee · 09/05/2023 15:03

I recall the news coverage as largely positive at first. People were pleased Harry had found someone to marry, and welcomed her. It was all a bit of a fairytale, apart from the speed at which they married. She was seen as a bit of fresh air, and some one who was media savvy and used to being in the limelight, due to her acting, so that was generally considered positively. Didn’t she work for a diplomatic office for a while also, which gave her credibility.

I’m not sure when or why the general feeling changed amongst the press, and I do think she got a hard press for a long time which was unjustified.

However, I do think they’ve scored an own goal. They (both of them, not just MEghan) went off to America to step out of the limelight, lead a quieter life, and before the plane had hardly touched down, was on a return flight, suing people, writing books, falling out with relatives etc, all in the public eye. Hardly living a quieter life. Maybe they just judged the mood badly, or had really bad advisors, but it hasn’t really gone as expected. Whether they can pull back from this, I don’t know. Camilla has succeeded from being the bad guy to gaining a lot of respect, and also Beatrice and Eugenie seemed to have matured and found a better place now, so given time, maybe.

MagnificentDelurker · 09/05/2023 15:51

MamoruHisaishi · 08/05/2023 13:22

As a person of colour, I don't feel Meghan ever represented me, just because she happens to have a mixed race background. What is there to be proud of and aspire with her marrying into the royal family? She only became globally famous because of who she married. She didn’t achieve that through her own merits. And the fact that she married a known racist is nothing to be proud of either. In fact, it makes me question Meghan’s judgement. Let’s not forget that her best friend was also accused of racism, and she has friends who are also trump supporters. Plus, she has signed up under WME, which is headed by someone who has been accused of racism and homophobia. For someone who is supposedly concerned about racism, Meghan doesn't seem to mind interacting, marrying and befriending people who have been accused of racism. Also, I don't agree that the optics are bad that the royal family have decided to go no contact with Meghan and Harry. The both of them have done nothing except throw accusations and complained about the royal family, including indirectly calling them racists, only for them to walk back on that claim. They wanted to be the stars, when they both knew that hierarchy and precedence were important when it came to the royal family. What more could the royal family have done when the couple refused to follow the rules and wanted their every whim catered to? A palace staffer was quoted as saying that nothing was ever good enough for the two of them. Plus there was also the accusations of bullying, and it's been implied that the royal family were in fact protecting harry and Meghan as not enough was done to protect the staff. How can you make it work with someone who views the royal family as a networking and marching opportunity, instead of a life long commitment to serving British/commonwealth interests? Meghan was not a good fit for the royal family, and that's probably why harry chose her because he used her as a way to get back at his family and so he could get a chance to finally leave. If there was a woman of colour who would have joined the royal family, I wish it would have been someone like Michelle Obama or even Amal Clooney. But then again, neither of them would have ever married someone like Harry.

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“If there was a woman of colour who would have joined the royal family, I wish it would have been someone like Michelle Obama or even Amal Clooney”.

You must be joking!!! The magnificent Michelle Obama joining RF???

Talk about mis match in class!!! Fortunately the thought would not cross anyone with even half of Michelle Obama’s clout. But just imagining anyone as great as MO having to be less so that Kate could shine makes my stomach churn.

I like MM but she had a bland personality perfectly suited to RF and they could not stomach it. Imagine having to deal with Michelle Obama. Some on this board have lost all sense, if they think RF can hope to marry anyone with MO’s calibre.