What next for the Sussexes?

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I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes.

I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

@smilesy Really that was not rude! You and I have seen properly rude on these RF threads, you know what I mean.
Just saying it was a press article and not a report... what is wrong with that.... I don't think it would break TG for rudeness would it...

I feel it is rude. I am entitled to feel that way. Those are my feelings. Ok so you didn’t intend it that way but that is how it felt to
me. It might be nice to apologise. I know that posting prolifically is not thread policing, but there have been instances that come across this way. I was also aware that this was starting to become a pile on so I avoided saying anything until now. I don’t want to have an argument with anyone on here. 🤷‍♀️

@Roussette I have said things that I have not intended to offend and you yourself have been offended or misunderstood or whatever. I have then apologised and explained what I really meant. As I say,
I was offended. That is how I felt. I am
also aware that it is not the worst thing that has been said on here but that was not the point. Anyway, let’s move on

Im not apologising for writing two perfectly harmless sentences to you while you reply with numerous personal remarks because apparently your feelings trump being reasonable or fair to me. Oh and yes, it has become a pile on.

Well now I’m feeling like this has become a pile on on me 🙄

You repeatedly insulted me. How is this a pile on you? I’ve made not one single personal remark. What is actually going on here.

I really would encourage people to read the transcript of the OW interview, it’s easily found. The way certain issues are approached in the interview is as interesting as the words themselves.

Can you direct us to any parts in particular?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14277841/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-full-transcript/

I don't think I can stomach reading the whole thing!

I didn’t repeatedly insult you. Nothing is going on. Let’s move on

I’m usually more of a lurker than a poster so forgive me if I’m not proficient enough to tag or link. It’s a lot easier to read than to watch, although I did both.

Meghan introduces the issue of Archie’s colour on more than one occasion. She raises it when talking about Archie possibly not being a Prince:

“But the idea of our son not being safe, and also the idea of the first member of colour in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be . . .  “

and then of course she talks about it in the context of the comment by a family member, when she talks about “concerns and conversations”.

But beyond this, there is a point where Meghan again links the issue of the title and Archie’s colour:

Meghan: It was really hard to be able to see those as compartmentalised conversations.
Oprah: Because they were concerned that if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?
Meghan: I wasn’t able to follow up with why, but that — if that’s the assumption you’re making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one, which was really hard to understand, right?

Rightly or wrongly, and I’m making no observation on that, she attributed the proposed deprivation of her son of a title to his colour.

I struggle to see how that could be interpreted as unconscious bias, as was later claimed.

Except that Meghan was mistaken, if we're being kind to her... being disingenuous, if we're going to be totally honest about it.

The title and the protection issue had nothing to do with race. Her children have now got their titles, and their colour hasn't changed... what has, is where they stand in the line of succession.

So either she misunderstood something that was actually not that hard to grasp, or she wanted to shit stir a little bit.

Yes, that's the issue, @shockthemonkey . How does she explain that her children are prince and princess following what she said to Oprah?

@Maireas , she's mercifully quiet on such things these days, which is a very good decision on her part.

I do get that she has had a hard time and that certain aspects of her life in the RF were difficult for her. If I imagine myself in her position, there would have been a moment, before the reasons were explained to me, that it would have stung to realise my son was not automatically a prince at birth when I was getting my hopes up about titles and honours and the like.

All in all, I do think it's by far for the best that she's found her own corner of the world where she can be her true self.

A press article that we are told was reviewed by lawyers on behalf of both the Palace and the Sussexes, and was amended eight times after its first publication to both add and remove passages. One passage that was added was a statement the Royal Family treated Meghan and Harry appallingly.

I think it’s fairly clear that what remained of the article after that process was approved by the Sussexes!

I agree, @shockthemonkey , she really was out of her depth and that's not a criticism, it would have been tough for anyone. Harry seems to have failed to explain things to her at the very least, and it was all happening very quickly. Maybe she realises now that the OW interview did misrepresent events in the light of the situation now.

If I imagine myself in her position, there would have been a moment, before the reasons were explained to me, that it would have stung to realise my son was not automatically a prince at birth when I was getting my hopes up about titles and honours and the like.

Completely understandable. Would have been better not to go public about it though. Also I wonder if they have worked out that the title ends with Archie and Lilibet.

it would have stung to realise my son was not automatically a prince at birth when I was getting my hopes up about titles and honours and the like.

I think this is likely closer to the truth. Both Harry and Meghan seemed put out by anything that meant they were being treated 'less than' William and Kate.
The fact that a letters patent made William's dc prince and princess at birth, but that the same wasn't done for Harry was another example of this.

The fact is, however, that the letters patent was merely designed to ensure a firstborn girl would be the heir to the throne over a second-born boy, something that was of no relevance to Harry and Meghan's situation.

As someone said, either they did not understand this (it's not that difficult to understand, so surely this is unlikely?) or they were slyly attempting to misrepresent the situation (especially the US public) who wouldn't understand the background or distinctions.

Meghan's comments to Oprah are all hints and insinuations without making any actual claims, very devious really.

So either she misunderstood something that was actually not that hard to grasp, or she wanted to shit stir a little bit.

Such claims added weight to other allegations. Which were heavy enough as they were.

I’m all for highlighting a point. But this was nonsense and when Meghan was mistaken then Harry should have told her so. (As you said above maireas)

And your post kattyjo 👍🏼

Is the report/article you refer to serenster linked with the article I posted? Or something else entirely? I got told the article I linked was pretty much gossip from a rag.

It depends on their conversations about it doesn’t it? It also depends on if she thinks it minimises it the way he said it. She may have asked him to say it or told him that phrase. I understand why people think it minimised it though. I just don’t think that myself.

I find this quite shocking even in the context of what some people on here are prepared to overlook about Harry. He goes on tv and minimises his family's racism towards his wife, to the point of denying it was even racism, completely trashing a POC's experience - and let's not be too hard on him because she probably asked him to?? Really?

How common is that I wonder, that a POC experiences racism, tells their story publicly and then asks their white husband to go on tv and say that it wasn't racism after all. With the obvious implication that it didn't happen as she described, since what she described is most definitely racism and cannot be explained away as unconscious bias.

With the obvious implication that it didn't happen as she described, since what she described is most definitely racism and cannot be explained away as unconscious bias.

Yes, but another very plausible explanation is that it did not happen as she described. Which is why he had to backtrack.

Yes, but another very plausible explanation is that it did not happen as she described. Which is why he had to backtrack.

Yes - I said in an earlier post that it's hard to know whether it's her or him - either she lied or he is minimising racism. Pretty ugly stuff either way.

Is the report/article you refer to serenster linked with the article I posted? Or something else entirely? I got told the article I linked was pretty much gossip from a rag.

You linked to a Sky news report I think ArcaneWireless, which summarised the article I was talking about.

The original, which appeared in the Telegraph on 21 April was written by Victoria Ward. As i said above, it contained direct references to correspondence between Charles and Meghan, involved communications after its publication by lawyers for both the Palace and the Sussexes, was altered no fewer than eight times over the course of the next few hours - but remained up.

And this basic fact has been said again and again to M supporters.

... another very plausible explanation is that it did not happen as she described. Which is why he had to backtrack

And yet another is that the palace challenged both of them over what was alleged, found they still couldn't produce a coherent account, and pressured Harry at least to backtrack

However as with all the other possibilities we'll probably never know

Cheers serenster 👍🏼

Not exactly gossip then…

Amen puzzled

Exactly. Meghan said herself the conversation (only one) was with Harry. So she wasn't even there. Harry said it was before they were married.

Basically Meghan has conflated a crass and unecessary minor conversation or remark, to allow the RF be labelled racist for 2 years, then Harry said they weren't and meghan leaks a letter, saying it was not intended to be hurtful, but unconscious bias.

So one person made a remark, which we know nothing of the content or context, which harry and she says wasn't racist, yet all the experts on here and in the media with a huge axe to grind, say is. So they are calling their own heroes liars then?

None of it makes any sense. One person makes a crass remark (and maybe does need educating on unconscious bias) but the whole family are labelled racist. As andrew has pretty much been condemned as a molester of a young girl, then by association, why don't we call the entire royal family child molesters? Thats the lack of logic here.