Page 15 | What next for the Sussexes?

Casuaala · 2023-05-07T13:49:15+00:00

I thought yesterday couldn't have gone better, all things considered; there was the least amount of drama or negative coverage possible regarding the Sussexes. I'd like to hope that this marks a fresh start. Harry's got all the recriminations off his chest. The Royal Family have maintained a dignified silence and hopefully the future is rosy. The Sussexes can have the life they want in the US, with a small presence in family events back here when appropriate. (I wouldn't be surprised however if Megan never makes it back on UK soil).

Morestrangerthings · 10/05/2023 13:34

I’ve got 4 posters questioning me here. I can debate with one person at a time but 4 is too much.

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 13:39

*it was an innocuous comment without malice

I don’t recall Meghan saying this. Can you link it?

ArcaneWireless · 10/05/2023 14:02

Various news sites mention the comment was ‘without malice’ regarding correspondence between the King and MM. Some may mention that she may have had a change of heart over it because it wasn’t dealt with how she might have liked (or similar)

We don’t know because those letters are not in the public domain. But no one has disputed it. Yet.

one site

It could be true. It might not be. But it is out there.

Meghan wrote King letter identifying ‘racist’ royal, insider claims

Meghan Markle reportedly wrote a letter to King Charles naming the “racist” royal who she sensationally claims expressed concerns about “how dark” Prince Archie’s skin would be when he was born.

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/meghan-markle-wrote-a-letter-to-king-charles-identifying-the-racist-royal-she-sensationally-claimed-was-concerned-about-archies-skin-colour-insider-claims/news-story/3f8a1b8687638ef4075c471b0fbf8176?amp

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 14:21

Various news sites

Well then… it must be true! Please.

ArcaneWireless · 10/05/2023 14:25

Please. I said it may be true. It may not. I said that the letters are not in the public domain.

But out there they are. True or not.

A bit like the book and various recollections on Oprah.

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 15:01

A bit like the book and various recollections on Oprah.

🤦🏾‍♀️ that’s from the horses mouth. You’re quoting the repulsive British press, that’s gossip. One is them standing by their own words. The other is a rag telling you something.

KattyJo · 10/05/2023 15:08

Here's the interview with Tom Bradby where he says (smirking) that it was the press that said the RF were racist, not him or Meghan. Jump to 04:40 for the relevant bit.

https://www.itv.com/watch/news/prince-harrys-itv-interview-watch-six-key-moments/wswwy5m

it just makes him look like a total idiot

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 15:28

Because, he told his story of what happened, they both did. Without saying the word racist. Based on that story, a lot of people said it was racism, right? Including the press. Now we are all debating whether they said it was racist, implied it or if it is a racist thing or a harmless thing and if they retracted it. But initially, the reaction was based on what happened ( their version ) and the response was widely: that’s racism. The point being, a lot of people agree that what was said was wrong. We barely sat with that and discussed it as a nation. It’s swiftly moved to discrediting it and painting them out to be the villains of the story, instead of the person and the family that made an offensive and racist comment/s and othered the only biracial member of the family and her soon to be son. She’s not just in an all white family, but surrounded by a mostly white staff, don’t forget.

SoTedious · 10/05/2023 15:40

The point being, a lot of people agree that what was said was wrong. We barely sat with that and discussed it as a nation. It’s swiftly moved to discrediting it and painting them out to be the villains of the story

We sat with it for almost 18 months with endless discussions in the press about who said what and whether the RF is a racist institution.

Of course it's been discredited when they describe racism in the RF and then more than a year later say it wasn't racism after all and anyone who thought it was racism was wrong and had been duped by the press. They discredited it themselves.

SoTedious · 10/05/2023 15:41

(Sorry i just checked and we actually sat with it for almost 2 years, not almost 18 months.)

Tellmeimcrazy · 10/05/2023 15:42

MrsFinkelstein · 07/05/2023 14:51

Harry's next appearance will be walking the runway for Dior.

He did it yesterday for them in the Abbey.

I'm Howling 🤣🤣🤣

WheelsUp · 10/05/2023 16:01

"The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. While some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately.

It was not up to William to go against Queen Elizabeth and deal with the racism claims differently. She probably would have preferred to have said nothing but it is a massive allegation to have hanging over your head so I can see why he'd blurt it out.

This rebuttal statement also suggests that something was said imo. It seems like Queen Elizabeth knew who/what incident that the Sussexes were describing in the interview but presumably that person remembers the details differently. No idea when she found out but that's not being debated here.

Maireas · 10/05/2023 18:00

SoTedious · 10/05/2023 15:40

The point being, a lot of people agree that what was said was wrong. We barely sat with that and discussed it as a nation. It’s swiftly moved to discrediting it and painting them out to be the villains of the story

We sat with it for almost 18 months with endless discussions in the press about who said what and whether the RF is a racist institution.

Of course it's been discredited when they describe racism in the RF and then more than a year later say it wasn't racism after all and anyone who thought it was racism was wrong and had been duped by the press. They discredited it themselves.

This. I just don't know how that can be explained or justified.

polkadotdalmation · 10/05/2023 19:22

shockthemonkey · 10/05/2023 13:24

I can't get over some of the places this thread is going. Posters saying they can see into someone's evil soul just by looking at their smug or sneering faces: I'm sorry but there goes your credibility, in an instant.

I am interested in the topic because I have a few FOC - friends of colour - who don't like Meghan... for her lies and her dissembling primarily, but they also feel she is overly showy and very wrapped up in herself... Like me, they have come to this conclusion after giving her a fair chance - listening to her podcasts, watching her interviews and her Netflix series.

However I can see how for many people Meghan is deeply emblematic and therefore feelings about how she was treated run terribly high.

Like dalmation and pissedoff I think the issue of racism in all its forms needs serious addressing, but I feel it's so unedifying to get bogged down in MM's demonstrably skewed stories. They don't shed light where it's needed.

The voice of reason. My stance has always been that Meghan has put back the advances made against racism by years. The reason people don't like her is she is not a nice person. She is not an honest person. She bullies and uses people. By calling those people who don't like her racist, and by condemning the press coverage of bullying, spending ridiculous amounts of taxpayer/crown money on french designer clothes, discarding friends/husbands/dogs when they are no longer useful, then saying its because the press are racist, puts peoples backs up. Calling half the country (because they voted for Brexit) racist, is guaranteed to upset people who have tried and worked for equality, for years.

Birchtrees · 10/05/2023 20:23

polkadotdalmation · 10/05/2023 19:22

The voice of reason. My stance has always been that Meghan has put back the advances made against racism by years. The reason people don't like her is she is not a nice person. She is not an honest person. She bullies and uses people. By calling those people who don't like her racist, and by condemning the press coverage of bullying, spending ridiculous amounts of taxpayer/crown money on french designer clothes, discarding friends/husbands/dogs when they are no longer useful, then saying its because the press are racist, puts peoples backs up. Calling half the country (because they voted for Brexit) racist, is guaranteed to upset people who have tried and worked for equality, for years.

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Totally agree with this.

8roses · 10/05/2023 20:30

Nobody even knows what was allegedly said because it’s all smoke and mirrors with those two. Anyone who defends them wants their niños felt

8roses · 10/05/2023 20:30

Bumps felt!

polkadotdalmation · 10/05/2023 21:27

8roses · 10/05/2023 20:30

Nobody even knows what was allegedly said because it’s all smoke and mirrors with those two. Anyone who defends them wants their niños felt

Prefer ninos! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

notanotheroneagain · 11/05/2023 07:02

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 13:26

I am interested in the topic because I have a few FOC - friends of colour

Well, this is a new description for us. FOC? Do they know that’s how you refer to them?

Hahaha, me neither.

notanotheroneagain · 11/05/2023 07:06

ArcaneWireless · 10/05/2023 14:02

Various news sites mention the comment was ‘without malice’ regarding correspondence between the King and MM. Some may mention that she may have had a change of heart over it because it wasn’t dealt with how she might have liked (or similar)

We don’t know because those letters are not in the public domain. But no one has disputed it. Yet.

one site

It could be true. It might not be. But it is out there.

Lol.
So, this is how it' spinned now?
They tried to discredit MM as a liar with recollections may vary. Now, yes it was said, but without malice?

The palace staff are pieces of work. 😂😂

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 07:14

My stance has always been that Meghan has put back the advances made against racism by years.

This is a disturbing sentence. Why has Meghan done this? She’s not the one being racist. The idea a person of colour can be held responsible for other peoples racism is racist itself.

BeenThereTooo · 11/05/2023 07:24

SoTedious · 10/05/2023 10:19

Everyone on planet earth forgets or misremembers unimportant little things like this.

Of course. But I think most people, if they wanted to claim they were correcting history, would check they were getting it right. Otherwise it has no more value than whatever it is it's supposed to be correcting.

Yup and they don't write books about misremembered stuff except for Harry who has jumped on the money train.

BeenThereTooo · 11/05/2023 07:28

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 07:14

My stance has always been that Meghan has put back the advances made against racism by years.

This is a disturbing sentence. Why has Meghan done this? She’s not the one being racist. The idea a person of colour can be held responsible for other peoples racism is racist itself.

She has done this because she has lied and insinuated eg about her son not being given a title because of his race. Well look how that has turned out.

The poster is actually saying that Meghan's actions affect other people of colour's previous well earned achievements.

BeenThereTooo · 11/05/2023 07:28

Rather - could affect

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 07:31

BeenThereTooo · 11/05/2023 07:28

She has done this because she has lied and insinuated eg about her son not being given a title because of his race. Well look how that has turned out.

The poster is actually saying that Meghan's actions affect other people of colour's previous well earned achievements.

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Explain how. How has her saying that conversations about skin colour, titles and security were happening at the same time, put back people of colours ‘well earned achievements’. I am assuming by this you mean not achievements but tackling racism. I’m a person of colour, and I don’t think she has done this. The person I responded to is white. People being racist because she dared to speak out don’t get their racist minimised by her behaviour. At all.