Page 18 | Kate's 'resentment' : Princess was denied a final goodbye with the Queen

Samcro · 19/04/2023 14:56

Whaeanui · 19/04/2023 09:51

Can you imagine the increased tension in the plane had he joined the rest of the family.

Well yes. They’re much more comfortable with Andrew, accused of child sex crimes and happy to be friends with and stay with a known and convicted trafficker ( after imprisonment ). I mean it would be awful if Harry’s presence made anyone uncomfortable, obviously. Peter Ball, Jimmy Saville, Prince Andrew, all fine to be with and defend- to the extent Charles wrote to a judge in support of Ball- but Harry, of course not, he might repeat things. So much more awful than abusing children.

good post. funny how people forget what other royals have done,
its a odd thread,

Viviennemary · 19/04/2023 15:09

Why not start a thread on Andrew He isnt popular. But he is not in the news. Harry is up till a day or two ago. I'm sure if Andrew gives an interview or releases a book he will be discussed. Hard to know what the royals think of him. They haven't commented.

cornfleurs · 19/04/2023 15:25

I would not be surprised if there was some ill feeling among family members surrounding the events around HMQ's final hours. Kate may well have wanted to accompany Will to support him - but felt compelled to tactfully withdraw to avoid any drama and make it easier for the RF to insist that Meghan stayed away. We know that Harry & Meghan both intended to travel and Charles had to intervene to stop this happening - telling Harry that Kate wasn't going, either.

Given what we know about Harry's pettiness (as outlined in his own words in various interviews and in Spare), his jealousy towards his brother, his and Meghan's shared resentment of Kate (who is treated as more important than Meghan) I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there was some tantruming involved.

Samcro · 19/04/2023 16:07

Viviennemary · 19/04/2023 15:09

Why not start a thread on Andrew He isnt popular. But he is not in the news. Harry is up till a day or two ago. I'm sure if Andrew gives an interview or releases a book he will be discussed. Hard to know what the royals think of him. They haven't commented.

why should anyone? any thread about the RF Becomes about H&M, so no reason not to mention the royal who has actually caused issues.

Viviennemary · 19/04/2023 16:22

Sorry I don't get what your point is. Andrew didnt have anything to do with who was or wasn't at allowed the Queen's deathbed. The article states it was because of Meghan so that is what is being discussed. Might be true might not be.

Sudeko · 19/04/2023 16:28

Andrew is a lot of unpleasant things but he hasn't spearheaded a full blown attack on his parents and siblings and the institution. Infact, he has been on the royal naughty step many times - publicly demoted and kept away from specific events. His daughters have also been brought up to be close to the royals and support them even though their mother was (and still is) considered a black sheep and it could have gone very far in the other direction.

mixedrecycling · 19/04/2023 16:38

Yes, funny how Harry accepted Meghan couldn't come when he was told Kate wasn't going either - from his own words.

It wasn't about relationship to QE2, it was 'if Kate's going then Meghan must go as well'. Or about any of the other grandchildren going or not...

cornfleurs · 19/04/2023 16:46

It wasn't about relationship to QE2, it was 'if Kate's going then Meghan must go as well'. Or about any of the other grandchildren going or not...

Yes, the sibling rivalry is clearly intense.

I wonder whether Harry was hoping to top trump his brother by marrying an American celebrity/actress and was disappointed when things didn't work out as planned.

custardbear · 19/04/2023 17:09

cornfleurs · 19/04/2023 16:46

It wasn't about relationship to QE2, it was 'if Kate's going then Meghan must go as well'. Or about any of the other grandchildren going or not...

Yes, the sibling rivalry is clearly intense.

I wonder whether Harry was hoping to top trump his brother by marrying an American celebrity/actress and was disappointed when things didn't work out as planned.

She's not really what I'd call an American celebrity actress - a Hollywood elite, like Cameron Diaz, Blake Lively or Anne Hathaway

mixedrecycling · 19/04/2023 17:37

cornfleurs · 19/04/2023 16:46

It wasn't about relationship to QE2, it was 'if Kate's going then Meghan must go as well'. Or about any of the other grandchildren going or not...

Yes, the sibling rivalry is clearly intense.

I wonder whether Harry was hoping to top trump his brother by marrying an American celebrity/actress and was disappointed when things didn't work out as planned.

I think he was genuinely bowled over by her, and that's all well and good, and they are happily together.

The problem came when other people in his family didn't see her in the same light, because they are different people and have different preferences.

Samcro · 19/04/2023 17:50

Sudeko · 19/04/2023 16:28

Andrew is a lot of unpleasant things but he hasn't spearheaded a full blown attack on his parents and siblings and the institution. Infact, he has been on the royal naughty step many times - publicly demoted and kept away from specific events. His daughters have also been brought up to be close to the royals and support them even though their mother was (and still is) considered a black sheep and it could have gone very far in the other direction.

Sorry I forgot that having relations with trafficked girl is not as bad as selling your story

cornfleurs · 19/04/2023 18:08

@Samcro presumably HMQ would have wanted Andrew to be there. Whatever the rest of us think of him, he was her son and she clearly loved him. There were no other DGC there apart from William, who, as heir to the throne, has a particular status. It's pretty much impossible to justify Harry throwing his weight around and making demands as HMQ lay on her deathbed.

Bringing Andrew into the argument doesn't make Harry look better and comparison is moot.

Whaeanui · 19/04/2023 18:27

Bringing Andrew into the argument doesn't make Harry look better and comparison is moot.

Raising Andrew isn’t about Harry. It’s a reflection on the rest of the family and where their lines are.

purpledalmation · 19/04/2023 18:48

When someone hasn't a decent argument to offer, they throw Andrew into the mix, as though he is some kind of top trump.

Do people seriously suggest a son should be denied saying goodbye to his mother on her deathbed?

Roussette · 19/04/2023 18:54

purpledalmation · 19/04/2023 18:48

When someone hasn't a decent argument to offer, they throw Andrew into the mix, as though he is some kind of top trump.

Do people seriously suggest a son should be denied saying goodbye to his mother on her deathbed?

Who has suggested that? Of course he should be there.

Samcro · 19/04/2023 18:58

I only bring him up to remind people that the RF are happy to have him around.
he has done much worse than Harry

PreparationPreparationPrep · 19/04/2023 19:10

Sudeko · 19/04/2023 16:28

Andrew is a lot of unpleasant things but he hasn't spearheaded a full blown attack on his parents and siblings and the institution. Infact, he has been on the royal naughty step many times - publicly demoted and kept away from specific events. His daughters have also been brought up to be close to the royals and support them even though their mother was (and still is) considered a black sheep and it could have gone very far in the other direction.

Honestly.... This is what you call defending the indefensible.

I would rather my adult child was all of these (supposedly) things than to be sleeping with trafficked, vulnerable young girls who have come from very difficult backgrounds.

Roussette · 19/04/2023 19:20

PreparationPreparationPrep · 19/04/2023 19:10

Honestly.... This is what you call defending the indefensible.

I would rather my adult child was all of these (supposedly) things than to be sleeping with trafficked, vulnerable young girls who have come from very difficult backgrounds.

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Ditto. Me too. There appears to be a bit of an Andrew fan club on here. But hang on... maybe not... he's only used to have a poke at Harry. He's not liked on MN, but he is a convenient tool to say he's not as bad as Harry....
Gosh....

purpledalmation · 19/04/2023 19:20

Honestly.... This is what you call defending the indefensible.

3 (H&M and Andrew) indefensible people are the issue, not diverting onto one as though that lets the other two off the hook. I'll say it again and again, because its simply a divertionary tactic that doesn't work.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 19/04/2023 19:32

Ditto. Me too. There appears to be a bit of an Andrew fan club on here. But hang on... maybe not... he's only used to have a poke at Harry. He's not liked on MN, but he is a convenient tool to say he's not as bad as Harry....

Yes that's a good point!

Samcro · 19/04/2023 19:45

The fact you put them in the Same sentence proves my point. How any one can think what h has done is anyway as bad a Pa is beyond me

Sudeko · 19/04/2023 19:50

😂Nice try but these are two separate issues affecting two separate people in the family. Nobody is defending Andrew except to say that he won't sell out his parents and siblings so that's why they are more accepting of sharing family occasions him.

derxa · 19/04/2023 19:56

Samcro · 19/04/2023 19:45

The fact you put them in the Same sentence proves my point. How any one can think what h has done is anyway as bad a Pa is beyond me

I agree but Andrew hasn't done anything to the members of the RF personally. It's human nature to dislike someone who has attacked your family.

Roussette · 19/04/2023 19:56

Nobody is defending Andrew except to say that he won't sell out his parents and siblings so that's why they are more accepting of sharing family occasions him.

Course he won't. He's a disgraced member of the RF and needs the money from them and a Royal estate to live on.

Samcro · 19/04/2023 20:16

Ah ok
so as he only was involved with a trafficked girl and paid her millions to go away , but didn’t “hurt “ his family he isn’t seen as bad as Harry,
im trying to make sense of it all.