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The Royals are on the Brink of Collapse - SHOCKING REPORT !

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vera99 · 16/04/2023 20:36

As the late Queen said 'apres moi le deluge' and here we are 3 weeks away from a coronation in which only 9% of the population are highly interested.

The Royals are on the Brink of Collapse - SHOCKING REPORT !
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Inkanta · 17/04/2023 19:43

I don't care if the RF survives or not, but surely having competing POs is helping to contribute to their downfall. After all, they're not making ANY of them look good

Yes it feels like a self sabotage downfall to me.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 17/04/2023 19:50

Inkanta · 17/04/2023 19:37

It seems just so cold that a parent can put out negative stories about their own child in order to make themselves look better. And we're supposed to look up to this family as paragons of virtue

Yeah that's the crux of the matter for me. This is a definition of a toxic dysfunctional family. That has NO moral status in today's society - narcissism has long been cancelled. What's more everyone is enlightened and understands the narcissistic cycle of abuse and recognises it when they see it.

Can you specify what negative stories Charles has leaked about Harry? As far as I can see Harry has been protected by the palace for years hence his happy chappy media persona which we now know is not true now he doesn’t have the palace protecting him.

StormzyinaTCup · 17/04/2023 19:51

I can't see the royal family going anywhere yet, possibly, at a stretch, it's something for the next generation. I think people will stick it out with Charles and Camilla and the pressure will come when William takes over. Of course if there is to be an end to the monarchy then the powers that be would have to come up with a workable plan and one that appeals to the masses otherwise I think 'better the devil you know' will kick in. RF has popularity peaks and troughs but nothing too shocking. This is a more general one from last month:

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/k9jso1g41l/Internal_RoyalTrackers_230320.pdf

And oddly there was one from Newsweek fairly recently that showed their popularity had increased slightly in the US oddly.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/k9jso1g41l/Internal_RoyalTrackers_230320.pdf

vera99 · 17/04/2023 19:51

The monarchy in order to have legitimacy needs to be broadly supported by at the very least 50% of the population. I would argue 2/3 or 65%. The Coronation in that poll scored a whopping 2/3 don't really care. That’s a crisis by any reasonable stretch of the imagination and one that if the Coronation doesn't really engage with the wider population won't be going away.

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Inkanta · 17/04/2023 19:56

The Coronation in that poll scored a whopping 2/3 don't really care. That’s a crisis by any reasonable stretch of the imagination and one that if the Coronation doesn't really engage with the wider population won't be going away

I know the young ones in particular have no interest - and will not be tuning in.

Blossomtoes · 17/04/2023 19:57

vera99 · 17/04/2023 19:51

The monarchy in order to have legitimacy needs to be broadly supported by at the very least 50% of the population. I would argue 2/3 or 65%. The Coronation in that poll scored a whopping 2/3 don't really care. That’s a crisis by any reasonable stretch of the imagination and one that if the Coronation doesn't really engage with the wider population won't be going away.

Lack of interest three weeks before the coronation doesn’t translate into wanting to abolish the monarchy, however much you might wish it so. I’ll be interested to see what the polling says in a couple of weeks - and to see the viewing figures afterwards.

Spendonsend · 17/04/2023 19:58

I've told my children to watch it as it may be the last one in the uk.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 17/04/2023 19:58

I do think if it was William and Kate ascending the throne the popularity of the royals would soar, a young, attractive King and Queen with 3 cute kids as our ‘first family’ would be more popular for sure.

michaelmacrae · 17/04/2023 20:18

LadyVictoriaSponge · 17/04/2023 19:58

I do think if it was William and Kate ascending the throne the popularity of the royals would soar, a young, attractive King and Queen with 3 cute kids as our ‘first family’ would be more popular for sure.

Not a fan but I agree.

michaelmacrae · 17/04/2023 20:41

LadyVictoriaSponge · 17/04/2023 19:50

Can you specify what negative stories Charles has leaked about Harry? As far as I can see Harry has been protected by the palace for years hence his happy chappy media persona which we now know is not true now he doesn’t have the palace protecting him.

"Harry's drugs shame", when he was at school, was one. Read about Mark Bolland, Charles's PR guy at the time, who decided to throw H under the bus in order to rehabilitate Charles's image, which was trashed after Diana. There are others too, like conversations etc.

mixedrecycling · 17/04/2023 22:37

vera99 · 17/04/2023 19:51

The monarchy in order to have legitimacy needs to be broadly supported by at the very least 50% of the population. I would argue 2/3 or 65%. The Coronation in that poll scored a whopping 2/3 don't really care. That’s a crisis by any reasonable stretch of the imagination and one that if the Coronation doesn't really engage with the wider population won't be going away.

Broadly supported yes, actively interested in the coronation no.

I'm not actively interested in the coronation, but have no wish for a major constitutional change without a defined alternative that has clear benefits - Brexit shows the dangers of that.

Looking forward to an extra Bank Holiday, may or may not have it on in the background, just as I had QE's funeral on, as a state event. I've never watched a royal wedding.

StormzyinaTCup · 17/04/2023 22:53

Broadly supported yes, actively interested in the coronation no.
I'm not actively interested in the coronation, but have no wish for a major constitutional change without a defined alternative that has clear benefits - Brexit shows the dangers of that.

Looking forward to an extra Bank Holiday, may or may not have it on in the background, just as I had QE's funeral on, as a state event. I've never watched a royal wedding.

This is exactly how I feel too.
If the weather is nice I will flit between tv and pottering in the garden. That is quite different to wanting to abolish the monarchy, I'm in the 'better the devil you know' camp.

mixedrecycling · 17/04/2023 23:06

After all, the RF are a symptom of the way power, privilege and wealth are distributed, not the cause. That doesn't change by getting rid of the RF, it simply replaces one dysfunctional system of concentrating power with another.

Russia - Tsarism replaced by the Soviet Union and now Putin.

Germany, I would say that the complete destruction of society that was created by and followed the Third Reich was the significant change. The Kaiser was followed by the Nazis, who were in the mould of Imperial Germany and the Kaiser. Not a model to follow.

France - well, it's taken 200 years, a couple of Bonapartes with their European wars, and the failed state under de Gaulle.

Eastern European countries - RF never very deeply established, sort of bolted on as the Ottoman/Austro-Hungarian/Prussian Empires fragmented, then Soviet takeover. None perhaps a great model on lack of corruption and political stability? Though a number muddling through quite successfully? Happy to be corrected.

Western European countries - several constitutional monarchies of varying styles.

I am not so familiar with other continents, so don't really have a view on their various constitutional arrangements. Lived for a number of years in South Africa, where corruption and nepotism are alive and well under a supposedly democratic President.

vera99 · 18/04/2023 08:54

Well if this kick up the arse gets them doing their jobs more diligently and with greater accountability, and we start to see a clear delineation between what is theirs privately and what belongs to the state then the pressure from the populace in our democracy is a good thing.

Business as usual minus the Queen and PP won't cut it though, and it remains to be seen how successful this Coronation reboot will be. Not that I am biased in any way ....

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orangedalmatian · 18/04/2023 09:25

It's a simple case of too few royals to do the engagements. With a population of 67 million plus Australia, New Zealand etc and only 2 young members (with 3 young children they don't want to palm off onto nannies), no Andrew/Harry/Meghan, it's not easy. 5 senior royals in their 70s is not a good start going forward. To be relevant they need to be seen.

vera99 · 18/04/2023 09:32

They should stop overseas jollies as well they don't pay their bills. Or if they do, they need to be carefully targeted - their biggest nightmare must be protests/nobody turning up. There is the danger they are becoming well behind the curve of public opinion and attempts to catch up seem almost desperate.

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LadyMuckingabout · 18/04/2023 09:34

I watched every second of the Queen’s funeral. Atm I’m leaning, like pps, to watching a bit of the Coronation, weather dependent, and my interest is so so.

That does not mean I want some “President” to replace the rf. I think there’s been so much royal drama in the last few years that a Coronation is not that exciting. Everything needs to settle down a bit. No doubt history shows a fair few monarch who did not excite the public, eg strings of 18th/19th C Georges.

Zipps · 18/04/2023 09:53

Can't believe how anyone cares about it tbh. Charles is like a robot which is hardly surprising since he was bought up to shake his mother's hand. All the scandals and racism and constantly jetting off on free holidays to places where lackeys are told to lick their boots and where barely any of the locals give a shit about them anymore.
I am interested in the history of the kings and queens of this country and I'm afraid that's were they belong now.
Diana was super privileged but there seemed a genuineness that simply isn't there with any of the others.

vera99 · 18/04/2023 09:59

A FOAF was in the staff of the Duke of Bedford and followed him around the world to his various houses and Buckingham Palace. Apparently when the Queen was going to walk down the corridor a page was sent to tell the staff to scarper so she didn't need to see them.

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Novella4 · 18/04/2023 11:24

Zipps · 18/04/2023 09:53

Can't believe how anyone cares about it tbh. Charles is like a robot which is hardly surprising since he was bought up to shake his mother's hand. All the scandals and racism and constantly jetting off on free holidays to places where lackeys are told to lick their boots and where barely any of the locals give a shit about them anymore.
I am interested in the history of the kings and queens of this country and I'm afraid that's were they belong now.
Diana was super privileged but there seemed a genuineness that simply isn't there with any of the others.

Good summary

Novella4 · 18/04/2023 11:25

Except you've left out all the links to pedophiles

And a lot more swept under the carpet

AskMeMore · 18/04/2023 12:18

@orangedalmatian It is not. If all younger Royals did as many engagements as Charles did in 2019 they would be fine. The real issue is they want to as few engagements as possible.
And Andrew never did many engagements, and those he did were mainly to golf clubs and jollies.

ThatSkinThatTheyPutMeIn · 18/04/2023 12:53

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undergroundstation · 18/04/2023 13:07

money from both duchies shd go to state. Royals shd pay income, corporation, capital gains and inheritance tax on anything they own privately.
slim the monarchy right down. I don’t mind a monarch as head of state as much as I mind the nonsense of minor royals and all the fawning.

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