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Harry but not Meghan

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lipstickwoman · 12/04/2023 15:26

No surprise he's coming on his own to the coronation.

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BoojaBooj2 · 12/04/2023 17:29

vera99 · 12/04/2023 17:15

Oh, well looking like Kate might have to face the second most difficult day of her life. How on earth will she cope ...

I hate to have any common ground with the hateful Allison Pearson but she's onto something. When you try to be all things to all men you end up pleasing nobody.

As a monarchist, I want to be excited about the Coronation. But it’s proving a struggleA number of devout Elizabethans I know are also experiencing the first stirrings of anti-Royalist sentiment

However low this column may occasionally stoop, I can assure you I will not be calling the Coronation by the name I was sent yesterday morning. The Cozza. Eeuw!

Attempts to make the enthronement of King Charles III more “diverse” and accessible are depressing to those of us who cling to the clearly antiquated view that the Coronation should be a solemn if uplifting state occasion with Christianity at its mysterious heart.

And by mysterious I don’t mean recruiting celebs like Amanda Holden to mentor the choir. That’s not mysterious, it’s plain baffling. The Britain’s Got Talent judge should be saluted for services to Botox; Handel not so much.

At least the inclusive (sigh) choir in question, to be conducted by Gareth Malone, won’t be bumping the sublime choristers of Westminster Abbey off the order of service. Always a danger given the contemporary fear among the self-loathing woke classes (many of them the guilty posh) of anything English and overwhelmingly white that we do matchlessly well. Sadly, too often inclusive turns out to mean exclusive of the vast majority of British people.

The alternative choir, composed of singers including an all-deaf sign performance group, a traditional Welsh male voice choir, Yorkshire’s only female South Asian choir, the London Fire Brigade and a troupe of RNLI sea shanty singers will be appearing at the Coronation Concert at Windsor on the Sunday night. (Good luck blending that lot, Gareth!) I’m pleasantly surprised to see that a male-voice choir made the cut, although you can bet the search was on to find some non-binary tenors and baritones. Possibly a stretch in Caerphilly.

As a monarchist, I really want to be excited about the Coronation, but it’s proving a struggle. Perhaps it’s because we pushed the boat out, not all that long ago, for the Platinum Jubilee and because we are not quite reconciled to having lost our beloved Queen.

The curtailed route of King Charles III – Elizabeth II travelled five miles but her son will cover only 1.3 miles, taking about half an hour – is said to be a cost-cutting measure but you do wonder whether the Palace is concerned about a low turn-out.

Certainly, a number of devout Elizabethans I know, who always stood along the Mall waving Union flags for the big occasions, are experiencing the first stirrings of anti-Royalist sentiment as our new King diverges from his mother who, with unimpeachable discretion, managed to be a symbol of unity and stability for 70 years. Whether it’s unwisely tethering himself to an increasingly contentious net zero cause (never put the planet before your subjects’ right to keep warm, Sir!) or trying to switch titles from Defender of the Faith to Defender of Faiths, while inserting other religious texts into the ancient ceremony (the clue is in the word Protestant, Sir!), every other day seems to bring some fresh insult to the national sense of self.

Nor are his previously loyal subjects impressed by Charles signalling his support for research into the British monarchy’s historical links with the slave trade and the inevitable reparations demanded for the same. There is no appeasing these self-styled victims. “You offer us Kensington Palace, Your Majesty, and we’ll take Balmoral and Windsor Castle plus the Aston Martin.”

If I were the King’s adviser, I’d be alarmed by a praising piece in this week’s Left-wing New Statesman with the enthusiastic headline, “Charles is proving a political king – and we should be grateful”. The author says, “I am not a monarchist.” Ay, there’s the rub. Our monarch is a fool if he plays to those who will never love him and neglects those who long to love him.

Beautiful piece - but I don't think the disapprovers, majority of which are the younger disapprove because of 'diversity'. Merely that they see no reason for its continued existence, having so far as they can see failed to bring any improvement to their lives.

It's this 'British sense of pride' that also presumably led to Brexit? And curtailment of related opportunities?

As a POC I'm capable of statistics and find the 'woke' self-flagellation rather strange, being married to the most English country boy for miles around... But equally the concept of monarchy as a whole, and its representation leaves something to be desired.

GrouchyKiwi · 12/04/2023 17:31

Seems like a good plan. Harry can be there to support his Dad, Meghan can be with the children and have a lovely birthday for Archie, people can continue to slag off whichever of the family they don't like, and everyone is happy.

I'd just like to take this moment to thank all those (you know who you are) who continue to make the Royal Threads on Mumsnet the most enjoyable WTFery.

slowquickstep · 12/04/2023 17:31

Gooseysgirl · 12/04/2023 15:45

Completely agree. I think it's terrible she won't be there. But I honestly don't blame her and think she's doing the right thing for herself and the kids. They can choose when they are older whether they want to part of the circus or not.

How is it the RF fault, she had the invite, turned it down. Frankly i wouldn't eeven have sent an invite after the lies.

Roussette · 12/04/2023 17:32

slowquickstep · 12/04/2023 17:31

How is it the RF fault, she had the invite, turned it down. Frankly i wouldn't eeven have sent an invite after the lies.

Good job you're not in charge then isn't it?

Sudeko · 12/04/2023 17:33

It makes me wonder what she might be including in her next book.

Roussette · 12/04/2023 17:33

Sudeko · 12/04/2023 17:33

It makes me wonder what she might be including in her next book.

What 'next book'? She's only written a children's book

SerafinasGoose · 12/04/2023 17:34

ComeTheFuckOnBridgett · 12/04/2023 16:21

If Megan had decided to come with Harry and drag the kids along people would have been saying it was all attention seeking and she shouldn't be there because she doesn't like them. She can't win.

If even a quarter of what she says is right then it's hardly surprising she dislikes them. These family disputes rarely involve one side who are evil, stone-hearted villains whilst the others are put-upon victims who are purer than the driven snow. There is dirt on both sides, of that there is little doubt. The rest is mere media manipulation.

And if not another word the Sussexes said was true, then what they had to say about Windsor media and PR MO is so obviously, transparently the case to anyone with the vaguest idea as to how the media works. Coincidentally, there's been little variation in their handling of these matters since the days of Charles's first marriage. (They had Diana effectively painted as a liar and a paranoid lunatic, too).

In Meghan's shoes I would never want to set foot in the UK again. They'd be dragging me over the sizzling embers of Hell before I'd go anywhere near this farcical Con-A-Nation.

And it seems she's in good company. Haven't most of the TV presenters, entertainers and musical artists they've invited also turned it down? Hardly looks to be the gig everyone's fighting to be seen at. It could almost be assumed the monarchy is becoming less popular.

x2boys · 12/04/2023 17:35

potatowhale · 12/04/2023 16:10

She's beautiful and has married a prince. Some people have a real problem with that. Dunno why.

Not to mention she's mixed race ,but oh no it's not racism ,never racism🙄

xbp · 12/04/2023 17:36

2023fullsteamahead · 12/04/2023 16:05

Does Harry need secondhand lustre though? I mean he is the king's son. Nothing can take away from that.

Maybe not in the UK but not sure about America. I was curious about the reaction to his book and poked around on America-centric forums like Reddit. Glimpsed lots of comments saying stuff like he's a "has-been in the royal family" etc - so probably the view over there is different and more impersonal.

His whole American brand / visibility is literally based on his estrangement from the family anyway, so it'd be good to show his American audience he's not actually persona non grata around the Windsors or anyone remotely powerful.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 12/04/2023 17:36

Had a quick skim of the thread and I don’t think anyone’s mentioned the security issue. Harry’s comments about his military service have made him something of a target. We can only hope that the security services are on top of it.

toomuchlaundry · 12/04/2023 17:37

@SerafinasGoose who else has turned down their invitation?

DoubleShotEspresso · 12/04/2023 17:37

@KillerSandy I'm saying that the coronation ought to mark a new era for the RF. As Charles naturally then assumes the role and heads up the CofE it would be the most Christian & human action if Meghan was not only encouraged/welcomed to the ceremony.
We don't know the circumstances of this decision, whether she felt unable/unwelcome, whether security concerns remain, whether actions on both sides have caused bitterness or all the above.
What we do know is that the RF, the money and expertise that is at their daily disposal have all failed to make the son of the new monarch's wife somehow unable to attend. Its foolish and short-sighted for Meghan and the King's grand-children to be so painfully excluded and sends an awfully sad message. I accept there's real depth of feeling and offence caused on both sides but in my view it's a huge opportunity missed.

Maireas · 12/04/2023 17:38

DotAndCarryOne2 · 12/04/2023 17:36

Had a quick skim of the thread and I don’t think anyone’s mentioned the security issue. Harry’s comments about his military service have made him something of a target. We can only hope that the security services are on top of it.

If you think about the nature of the event and the attendees, I am sure that security is top notch.

LadyMary50 · 12/04/2023 17:38

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 17:11

@LadyMary50 can you just not. It’s so low to talk about their kids like that. They’re doting protective parents. No need to talk about their kids like that

its a public forum I can and will say what I think.Time will prove me right,after all if H and M didn’t want to be part of RF why christen their daughter ‘Princess’ Lilibet.

Wonnle · 12/04/2023 17:38

GrouchyKiwi · 12/04/2023 17:31

Seems like a good plan. Harry can be there to support his Dad, Meghan can be with the children and have a lovely birthday for Archie, people can continue to slag off whichever of the family they don't like, and everyone is happy.

I'd just like to take this moment to thank all those (you know who you are) who continue to make the Royal Threads on Mumsnet the most enjoyable WTFery.

But what will those of us who can't stand either family do though ?

DotAndCarryOne2 · 12/04/2023 17:40

Maireas · 12/04/2023 17:38

If you think about the nature of the event and the attendees, I am sure that security is top notch.

I’m sure it is, but his attendance carries extra risk.

Rosula · 12/04/2023 17:41

He'll be taking notes on every word, every facial expression, so that it can all go into his next book and several interviews to show how beastly everyone has been to him. If I were Charles or William, I would ensure that there were cameras available at every interaction so they can disprove whatever fiction he comes up with.

Port1aCastis · 12/04/2023 17:42

If I was Meghan I wouldn't come either, all the bitching and hate towards her would break an ordinary person yet she's expected to put up with it. She and her children will be better off away from the dreadful media and online sniping plus fabrications and I hope she enjoys her son's birthday.

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 17:42

DotAndCarryOne2 · 12/04/2023 17:36

Had a quick skim of the thread and I don’t think anyone’s mentioned the security issue. Harry’s comments about his military service have made him something of a target. We can only hope that the security services are on top of it.

Maybe Andrew can be his bodyguard.

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 17:43

@DoubleShotEspresso totally agree with you. I feel sorry for Charles because based on Harry’s book he seemed to really love his son but just the huge burden and expectation prevented a closer relationship, Meghan appreciated him walking her down the aisle too. I just feel sad for the three of them and their children of course, because I think without public scrutiny and all the expectations and roles, they could have been a happy family.

GingerbreadBaking · 12/04/2023 17:43

Rosula · 12/04/2023 17:41

He'll be taking notes on every word, every facial expression, so that it can all go into his next book and several interviews to show how beastly everyone has been to him. If I were Charles or William, I would ensure that there were cameras available at every interaction so they can disprove whatever fiction he comes up with.

Harry and the others will all have spy body cams and wires 😆

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2023 17:44

Serenster · 12/04/2023 17:17

Well, firstly given that the 2021 UK census shows that 82% of people in the UK are white, and 18% belong to a black, Asian, mixed or other ethnic group, a large number of white people at the Coronation is neither unlikely, nor I would have thought unexpected?

Secondly, given that the Prime Minister as well as several senior government ministers are members of BAME community, and Prince Charles will also be the King of various Commonwealth Realms whose representatives will be POC. Plus the invitations are said to have prioritised community leaders and those involved in charities over the government and the peerage. So it is clearly not the case that the only POC will be the performers. A individual mixed race women will not I expect make a great deal of difference to the general make up of the congregation.

Well said as usual, Serenster
It was a cheap shot - though sadly predictable - to suggest people of colour would only be involved in a "performing" capacity, which a moment's thought about the actual roles involved could so easily have avoided

MrsMaxDeWinter · 12/04/2023 17:46

Port1aCastis · 12/04/2023 17:42

If I was Meghan I wouldn't come either, all the bitching and hate towards her would break an ordinary person yet she's expected to put up with it. She and her children will be better off away from the dreadful media and online sniping plus fabrications and I hope she enjoys her son's birthday.

I so agree with you.

SerafinasGoose · 12/04/2023 17:46

toomuchlaundry · 12/04/2023 17:37

@SerafinasGoose who else has turned down their invitation?

A quick Google search will easily answer that.

I've just pulled up Adele, Elton John, The Spice Girls, Kylie, Harry Styles, Ed Sheeran, Robbie Williams, and David Dimbleby.

Apparently they all have better things to do. And Kylie, at least, is sensitive to a groundswell of anti-monarchy sentiment in her native Australia.

QualityTweet · 12/04/2023 17:46

DotAndCarryOne2 · 12/04/2023 17:40

I’m sure it is, but his attendance carries extra risk.

i think on Coronation Day there will be enough security. Harry doesn't need extra.
There will be the King, Prince William and family, The Prime Minister and others in high office, not to mention overseas Royals.

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