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Duchess of Success succeeds in getting the ridiculous lawsuit by Samantha Markle dismissed

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 31/03/2023 20:23

Common sense decision this.

I hope that the tabloids who were (most probably) sponsoring this non-case of Samantha Markle's will pay the Duchess of Sussex her legal fees.

The judge correctly found that how Meghan felt about her upbringing was a subjective opinion about her childhood and her relationship with her half-sister. The court found that Meghan's statement about "feeling like an only child" is not objectively verifiable or subject to empirical proof, and, as a statement of pure opinion was “not capable of being proved false”.
The court also said the plaintiff Samantha "cannot plausibly disprove" Meghan's "opinion of her own childhood."

On the claims based on Finding Freedom, the court said the Duchess could not be held accountable for a book that she did not write or publish.

Go Meghan. I'm sure Samantha will file something else again soon ... and that she will lose again.

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Whaeanui · 02/04/2023 11:11

Yes, the things other trolls then wrote about her, and her son saying she would have read them before she died… it’s just so unnecessary. A woman died. For what? Because she deluded herself into thinking what she did was important and we now have the platforms to inflict our own ‘justice’ which I guess is what she thought she was doing. With no concern for the people she did it to. Just a few days of the same treatment was too much for her. There’s definitely a message there. As much as I dislike what she did, I think media exposing her was wrong. I think people trolling her back with such ugliness, was also wrong. Everyone that uses social media should really think about what they write to others and about others. I mean, surely none of us wants to contribute to someone’s death? Or even just their mental health instability?

PreparationPreparationPrep · 02/04/2023 11:22

I don't think she should have been exposed as clearly she was mentally unwell, however I do like to think that nothing that is put on-line is completely anonymous forever.

It just depends on who in the great scheme of things is really interested in your views and when that time will come.

Whaeanui · 02/04/2023 11:29

Someone in my extended family likes to tell stories like that lady. It’s quite strange the extent of them. Thankfully she’s older and never got into social media otherwise I think she would honestly be prone to this kind of behaviour. She has written letters to people to get revenge on someone before. She got caught out with a lie about one of my cousins children that was stupid and nothing sinister but incredibly embarrassing for her to have lied and she was exposed in front of people. She hasn’t stopped making up stories though!

StormzyinaTCup · 02/04/2023 11:36

Whaeanui · 02/04/2023 11:29

Someone in my extended family likes to tell stories like that lady. It’s quite strange the extent of them. Thankfully she’s older and never got into social media otherwise I think she would honestly be prone to this kind of behaviour. She has written letters to people to get revenge on someone before. She got caught out with a lie about one of my cousins children that was stupid and nothing sinister but incredibly embarrassing for her to have lied and she was exposed in front of people. She hasn’t stopped making up stories though!

I think there are lots of people out there who would sell stories though if the price was right. I don't think you can level such criticism at Samantha whilst not acknowledging the her step sister has also lied and was caught out in a court of law. Both sisters are out for revenge in one form or another imo.

Morestrangerthings · 02/04/2023 11:37

PreparationPreparationPrep · 02/04/2023 11:22

I don't think she should have been exposed as clearly she was mentally unwell, however I do like to think that nothing that is put on-line is completely anonymous forever.

It just depends on who in the great scheme of things is really interested in your views and when that time will come.

I agree.

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2023 11:41

Whaeanui · 02/04/2023 10:10

This whole thing and the online hatred for Meghan and Harry, including by Samantha, reminds me of this story about Brenda, a woman who trolled the McCann’s.

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*Her trolling and subsequent suicide resulted in a number of newspaper stories: about the toxic culture of Twitter; the danger of people hiding behind avatars and fake names on social media; the biliousness of Brenda’s attack on the McCanns; and the tragedy of her death. What could have led a woman to post hundreds of tweets attacking a couple she had never met, and why did she think there was nothing left to live for when she was caught out?

Ben knew his mother had the capacity to rage, and that she had strong opinions about the McCanns, but he had never seen anything like this. Tweets included: “#mccann Q ‘How long must the mccanns suffer?’ Answer ‘For the rest of their miserable lives’”; “I think Kate #mccann sees herself as a modern day Eva Peron beautiful, suffering, instead of a booze filled nymphomaniac”; “Hate a powerful emotion, it is a compliment to Maddie that we ‘hate’ her parents who betrayed her”; “You can move to France, anywhere, but social media is everywhere, our memories are long”; “To Kate and Gerry, you will be hated by millions for the rest of your miserable, evil, conniving lives, have a nice day.”

Did she have any sense of the pain that the tweets might cause the McCanns? “It’s difficult to say. I think she lost sight of their humanity, and they were just the target of the ‘investigation’.”

He uses the word investigation deliberately. Ben was later to discover that Brenda didn’t think of herself as a troll, but as a journalist investigating the McCanns. “In her last will and testament, she said her job title was investigative journalist. That was the role she had assumed,” he says. Had she ever done any journalism? “No.”

Two weeks after Brenda took her own life, the then justice secretary Chris Grayling quadrupled the maximum custodial sentence for trolling to two years. Grayling said: “These internet trolls are cowards who are poisoning our national life. No one would permit such venom in person, so there should be no place for it on social media.”

Brenda Leyland spent her life hiding – by making things up, and concealing herself behind fake names and avatars. After she died, Ben examined her Twitter account closely. There were friends in the McCann trolling community who grieved her passing. But, by and large, after she was exposed people on social media were cruel and unforgiving. In her final days, the troll was trolled mercilessly.

As Brenda had forgotten about the McCanns’ humanity, so her critics forgot about hers. Ben believes in her final hours she would have read some of these tweets.*

The question is why are they like that. What has happened that has created people who are only able to find joy in venting their spleen and displaying their resentments in this way?” He talks about how many people feel alienated from society, the number living in poverty, the paucity of mental health support. “If you treat the symptom, you never get to the heart of the problem. The problem is: why are people so angry and afraid?”

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/18/my-mother-troll-of-madeleine-mccann-parents

Wow, just wow !

I read the whole article just now. Thank you. It's the kind of study that should be quoted over and over as a reminder of trolling effects.

A few things stand out.

He uses the word investigation deliberately. Ben was later to discover that Brenda didn’t think of herself as a troll, but as a journalist investigating the McCanns. “In her last will and testament, she said her job title was investigative journalist. That was the role she had assumed,” he says. Had she ever done any journalism? “No.”

And also I was struck by :
In 2014, Brenda was approached by a Sky News journalist who asked her why she was trolling the McCanns on Twitter. She was about to get into a car with her friend to visit a garden centre, and declined to comment. The journalist then told her that she had been reported to Scotland Yard and her tweets were being investigated as part of a larger campaign of abuse against the McCanns. “Well, that’s fair enough,” she said calmly. But Brenda’s face gave her away. Her eyes blinked and her cheek twitched anxiously. Four days later, on 4 October 2014, Brenda killed herself.

This line, made me wonder if H&M would be able to able to report trolls to the FBI considering their lives are put to risk due to trolling. I know the we have CT offices monitoring serious threats - which they told us MM was a victim of. But I wonder if they could look into where it all culminates (which is the lower level trolls egging on the dangerous ones through a barrage of vitriol).

Safia Noble said there are campaigns where they tell each other how to change IP addresses, but I doubt they would get one over the FBI or Scotland Yard.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/04/2023 11:46

Yes, you can report trolls and bring a legal case,

Whaeanui · 02/04/2023 11:49

@notanotheroneagain a former security person was on tv I think recently, I can probably find the interview but yes that has happened and people have been prosecuted. However they took what I think is the right approach, not to expose them or inform media but let the justice system deal with it. Exposing people online and opening them up to public vitriol will just be doing what they’ve done to others. I think media should have passed Brenda’s details on to police and not approached her at all.

rattymol · 02/04/2023 11:54

It was always going to be dismissed.

rattymol · 02/04/2023 11:56

And my friend feels like an only child. Her brother is 17 years older than her and left home when she was a toddler. She said she barely knows him.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 02/04/2023 11:58

This line, made me wonder if H&M would be able to able to report trolls to the FBI considering their lives are put to risk due to trolling. I know the we have CT offices monitoring serious threats - which they told us MM was a victim of. But I wonder if they could look into where it all culminates (which is the lower level trolls egging on the dangerous ones through a barrage of vitriol).

Safia Noble said there are campaigns where they tell each other how to change IP addresses, but I doubt they would get one over the FBI or Scotland Yard.

I understand where you are coming from, I guess that would have to come from them and would it stop, if one group are exposed someone else is there to pick up. There will always be people who are mentally unstable ready to take the lead and followers ready to follow. I agree being held to account is really the only way however I'm not sure how it would work as they really are global - compared to the McCanns for example where the news over the years even though online is mostly centred across Europe.

IDontWantToBeAPie · 02/04/2023 12:00

Lol just FYI the tabloids will never have sponsored Samantha. They don't have the money. And they don't give a fuck if she loses.

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2023 12:05

IDontWantToBeAPie · 02/04/2023 12:00

Lol just FYI the tabloids will never have sponsored Samantha. They don't have the money. And they don't give a fuck if she loses.

They don't have the money? Really ?

Because they would twist and twist the case of MM being humiliated in court for weeks on end. Worth the investment into a case I would say. Why do you think people get paid 10s/100s of Ks for stories, even lies.

BadgerB · 02/04/2023 12:22

michaelmacrae · Today 09:51
I actually think the sisters have absolutely nothing in common.

Meghan has the smarts and the looks, and was already making waves in her career, living a high flying life and earning a lot of money.
So, M is better looking, and had more provided for her by their mutual father - whom she has now cast off. Makes her more worthy!?

Meghan hasn't slagged S off in retaliation. She's just gone off to live her own life. What does that say?
Yes, she has slagged off Samantha. All those stories about S's children - different fathers, taken into care

What does that say?
It says -
"Meghan has found a very rich and very stupid man. Samantha - not so lucky"

Whaeanui · 02/04/2023 12:26

Oh that’s a shame Samantha’s lawyers are enabling her. But then the same firm represents Trump, so that explains a lot.

IDontWantToBeAPie · 02/04/2023 12:27

@notanotheroneagain you clearly have 0 ideas about the industry. It's not 2001 anymore nobody gets paid thousands for stories. Maybe a few hundred quid maximum. Nobody has thousands to spend. Newspaper are barely keeping their heads above water. Ever thought about the massive loss they make every day because nobody buys a physical fucking paper anymore?

Newspapers are laying people off left right and centre. Normal people who just had dreams.

I know people at the Sun, Telegraph, Vogue etc and it's all the same story. No money, no raises for inflation, no bonuses, no budget to spend!!

Morestrangerthings · 02/04/2023 12:36

IDontWantToBeAPie,

It’s not just newspapers Eg Murdoch has print media, online media and various visual media like fox and sky news etc.. He continues to make a fortune out of ‘news.’ The Dominion case, if he loses, will likely cost his company over a billion dollars - and his company will survive it.

Who is backing Samantha? She is not a rich woman.

IDontWantToBeAPie · 02/04/2023 12:41

Morestrangerthings · 02/04/2023 12:36

IDontWantToBeAPie,

It’s not just newspapers Eg Murdoch has print media, online media and various visual media like fox and sky news etc.. He continues to make a fortune out of ‘news.’ The Dominion case, if he loses, will likely cost his company over a billion dollars - and his company will survive it.

Who is backing Samantha? She is not a rich woman.

That's true Murdoch is certainly a force but then again... the higher up rich boys are always capable of more. And they don't like spending.

I still don't think he's backing her. She can likely snag a lawyer purely with the opportunity for publicity and fame.

michaelmacrae · 02/04/2023 12:42

@purpledalmation I don't pity Samantha. Many people have had very shitty upbringings, they don't all behave like that. If I ever have kids I am determined to never bring my kids up in some of the ways I was. And if my sister ever were to marry a prince I would be so happy for her, that something good has happened to our family!

As adults we are all responsible for our own behaviour. Meghan came from a broken home, we all hear about kids from broken homes getting into trouble, yet she did brilliantly, at school and in her career. She didn't grow up that wealthy either, just comfortable. But still broken.

Of course Samantha should just be quiet, but equally Meghan should say nothing about her sister if she can't be at least kind.

Or Samantha should just be kind? I don't excuse her her actions. What has Meghan said about her that was half as unkind as what she has said, anyway? Doesn't even compare. Most of the time I think she's done an excellent job rising above her craziness.

purpledalmation · 02/04/2023 12:45

michaelmacrae · 02/04/2023 12:42

@purpledalmation I don't pity Samantha. Many people have had very shitty upbringings, they don't all behave like that. If I ever have kids I am determined to never bring my kids up in some of the ways I was. And if my sister ever were to marry a prince I would be so happy for her, that something good has happened to our family!

As adults we are all responsible for our own behaviour. Meghan came from a broken home, we all hear about kids from broken homes getting into trouble, yet she did brilliantly, at school and in her career. She didn't grow up that wealthy either, just comfortable. But still broken.

Of course Samantha should just be quiet, but equally Meghan should say nothing about her sister if she can't be at least kind.

Or Samantha should just be kind? I don't excuse her her actions. What has Meghan said about her that was half as unkind as what she has said, anyway? Doesn't even compare. Most of the time I think she's done an excellent job rising above her craziness.

No, but Meghan has lied and also said plenty of unkind things about her in-laws, so glass houses and all that

purpledalmation · 02/04/2023 12:47

AutumnCrow · 02/04/2023 12:25

Samantha Markle is apparently having another crack at it. This is behind a pay wall, but you get the gist.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/04/02/meghan-markle-samantha-court-defamation-oprah-winfrey/

I think that's what I said earlier, she is just changing her grounds, but someone attempted to shoot me down when I said that. I prefer to do my own research lol.

purpledalmation · 02/04/2023 12:50

@PlanetLuna Oh do quit with the hyperbole!

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2023 13:33

IDontWantToBeAPie · 02/04/2023 12:27

@notanotheroneagain you clearly have 0 ideas about the industry. It's not 2001 anymore nobody gets paid thousands for stories. Maybe a few hundred quid maximum. Nobody has thousands to spend. Newspaper are barely keeping their heads above water. Ever thought about the massive loss they make every day because nobody buys a physical fucking paper anymore?

Newspapers are laying people off left right and centre. Normal people who just had dreams.

I know people at the Sun, Telegraph, Vogue etc and it's all the same story. No money, no raises for inflation, no bonuses, no budget to spend!!

Oh, if only the papers were not really making any money. It all goes to the rich barons who own them and invest that money overseas for tax dodging. They make money via clicks more than physical papers.

I do hope that the state of things means those reporters now see how badly they are used if they are so disposable. Imagine going to uni, only to be employed to lie and destroy people's lives and be laid off after. I'm sure most thought they would investigate and bring real and needed stories in the public interest.

This attachment is not from 2001.

Here is another example of the cruelness and viciousness of newspapers

https://twitter.com/SarahData_/status/1642287321658675201

Duchess of Success succeeds in getting the ridiculous lawsuit by Samantha Markle dismissed
Duchess of Success succeeds in getting the ridiculous lawsuit by Samantha Markle dismissed