Meghan Markle has ‘warped sense of reality,’ Vanity Fair writer says

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Interesting article

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/03/29/meghan-markle-has-warped-sense-of-reality-isnt-on-the-level-vanity-fair-writer-says/

There's very much a sense of someone playing the victim here. They can't seem to accept any criticism nor admit they have done anything that can be seen a certain way. It's all 'I did nothing wrong and you're all picking on me!' when that's really not the case.

Yes, that's been a pattern I have noticed for quite a while and I commented on it recently on another thread, it's very frustrating so I tend to try not to engage.

People can disagree with each other. But at some point you let it go. The first person targeting her here was doing so on someone else’s behalf, and was the first to personally attack by agreeing with another poster who disingenuously posted their concern for her mental state. that’s a personal attack to most. That went on page after page and the moment that ended, another waded in to a comment she made to someone else nitpicking over hacking and bugging. I posted the exchange and posted the original person then used the word hacking about the same case anyway so who cares 🤷🏽‍♀️ and that person didn’t seem to be bothered anyhow so why why why go on about it for so long? Her original comment to them simply asked, ‘ are you saying you don’t believe… ‘
From about page 8 to 18 one after the other targeting her. That’s what it looks like to some of us. You have a problem because she defends H & M so much. I think defending someone is a lot more normal than the relentless nastiness she’s defending. Obviously people will have their opinions but it is overwhelmingly incredibly nasty about them on here. It does way too far. Even the owner of this forum thinks so, said so publicly. So instead of self reflecting you target anyone defending them. There’s not many who bother so Roussette gets a lot because she’s here a lot.

Precisely! Some think fun should only be one way.

Even now you’re talking about her negatively, confining something that doesn’t need to be continued.

Nods.

@Roussette . I have sympathy for posters who are anti royalists and would prefer the UK not to have a monarchy. I imagine a lot of anti royalists warmed to Meghan and Harry because they dared to break away. However, I can't understand the whole insistence on H and M's children having titles. It would appear that Meghan ( Harry seems far more disenchanted with the whole institution of royalty) wants her daughter to be called Princess. It seems contradictory to me.
I can see that Meghan and Harry seem more glamorous and cool and very different to the staid Royal family. Apologies if I have got this wrong but I think I remember @Roussette explaining that the dislike of the Royal Family was down to being an anti monarchist. And yet the overwhelming support by many of the regular posters on this section of MN, for Harry and Meghan and for giving their children titles, suggests that some posters would like to see the young cool sexier Californian couple as the new alternative Royal family.
In the end everyone forgives and forgets. I remember when Camilla was so hated and she was verbally abused in Cirencester Waitrose.
Most people see now that there is real love and affection between Charles and Camilla. She is being a loyal and committed working Royal.
Most people did not like Harry deciding to share family secrets so publicly. We all have things we would rather other people did not know. Most people have an understanding that everyone has a right to a degree of privacy. By writing such a revealing book Harry upset a lot of people world wide who hated the idea of such a personal memoir. I get the feeling Meghan was not 100% on board with such personal info being thrown into the public arena. It made Harry and Meghan look like vindictive attention seekers. It was unkind and to an extent justifies journalists revealing stuff about H and M because Harry has done exactly the same thing. I think Meghan is astute enough to recognise that, hence keeping her head down now.
Sorry, my question is, do the supposedly republican posters on here support The Duke and Duchess of Sussex keeping their royal titles and using the titles Prince and Princess for their children?

There’s not many who bother so Roussette gets a lot because she’s here a lot.

I agree with this. There were more supporters before but many are tired of the nastiness and hate, if somebody is hell bent on this way of thinking then anonymous supporters are not likely to change their views. As well as a few very childish posters obsessed (and I mean obsessed (not just one or two on a thread before you copy and paste) but spamming a thread with memes / gifs, no discussion about the topic but just to derail as it's not going their way, but I assume you didn't notice that thread or think it's acceptable.

There are a few inaccuracies in here but in all honesty we're never going to agree and will continue to go round in circles. You think you're right, I think I'm right.

And you have absolutely no idea how I feel about H&M, so how you're able to decide my comments are an attack based upon someone's defence of them I don't know.

As for me bringing her back up this morning, you'll find that was in response to someone who had quoted me last night. However, I accept that can be seen as me carrying things on. If I hadn't been quoted I wouldn't have passed further comment. Not that I'm saying the poster who quoted me shouldn't have done, I actually think that poster is well-balanced and fair.

Sorry, my question is, do the supposedly republican posters on here support The Duke and Duchess of Sussex keeping their royal titles and using the titles Prince and Princess for their children?

I would imagine most of us don’t give a f who has made up titles. But if you’re going to champion the monarchy you’ll have to accept certain titles are given by birth and aren’t removed because someone doesn’t perform as ordered. His children’s titles are by birthright too and there’s been no statement about why they used them but I imagine Harry thought they weren’t his titles to take away from them? They are who they are. The first mixed race children in the British monarchy having their titles removed would be bad optics.

I get it. But I posted a funny video and everything to try and ‘end things’ and lighten the mood and nobody seemed to take any notice 😂 You gotta watch her, Karen the Emu targets that poor woman relentlessly 😂

As for me bringing her back up this morning, you'll find that was in response to someone who had quoted me last night.

Yep. All part of the script.

The odd one is quite amusing but this was just off the scale, I assume because the culprit felt offended by a particular post. I spent too much time trying to scroll past them to get to a post to read, anyway I've made my point about this elsewhere.

😂 I've just going back to see your post and that one is also still twirling for me as I'm using the app so I haven't seen it.

I think what society has done to Megan is warped.

Megan is entitled to whatever sense of reality she wants in life without all this scrutiny.

@PreparationPreparationPrep I just discovered her, it’s the Useless Farm on YouTube. One Emu is lovely but the other will not leave the farmer lady alone, I don’t know how she isn’t covered in bruises! If things get too heated here or anywhere, just go have a laugh watching Karen 😂

@Whaeanui
I don't think there has been any suggestion by Buckingham Palace that the Royal titles would be removed from Harry and Meghan. I was interested to know if the posters on here who claim to be republican would support the Duke and Duchess of Sussex keeping, using their titles and insisting that their children have titles even though many important members of the Royal Family (Princes Anne) has set precedent by not using royal titles for her children.
It would appear that @Whaeanui does support Royals continuing to use titles for their children which seems contradictory to republican values.

@Whaeanui

Of course and stripping Harry of a title doesn't stop him from being the son of the king.

I really hope they get in that coronation I really do.

@asundayphilosopher 🙄 titles are meaningless to me so it matters not if he uses them or not. I wouldn’t use them if I knew them. I don’t support or not support, they’re names to me. It is far more contradictory to support monarchy and believe all the nonsense, but want to remove titles from people entitled to them based on personal dislike.

Sorry @Whaeanui . I don't understand your point. Surely as a republican you would support royals like Princess Anne dumping titles for her children so that titles for her branch of the royal family will die out. Buckingham Palace has never suggested removing titles but leaves it up to individual members of the family to decide whether to keep or use titles. Zara Philips and her children are members of the Royal Family, she is a granddaughter of the old Queen but she doesn't use titles. Meghan and Harry have chosen to use formal titles for their children. I am surprised that a republican does not support Royals dumping titles so that titles disappear from their family line.
It seems much more egalitarian to adopt the Princess Anne, Zara Philips approach to titles.

@asundayphilosopher I’ve just explained so I’m not sure why there’s still a question. I don’t care about meaningless titles. Use them, don’t use them. I don’t believe in it so why would I care? If you believe in it, you can’t pick and choose who is allowed to use them.

@Whaeanui but picking and choosing who uses titles is exactly what is happening. I wondered how republicans felt about the number of royals who are now choosing not to use titles and so letting them ultimately die out for their branch of the royal family. Compared to young royals like Harry and Meghan who are determined to continue to use them.
Within a few generations Zara Philips family will no longer be regarded as royal ( except links on a family tree) whereas Meghan and Harry very much want them and their family to be seen as Royal.
There are some posters on MN who claim to be republican but would support a continuing royal family if Harry and Meghan could head up the Royal Family.

@asundayphilosopher 😐 I don’t give a fuck about titles. I don’t know what other people who don’t believe in monarchy think. I don’t care. And no, I wouldn’t support a royal family whoever was head. Why are you speaking on what you think republicans think? Nobody here mentioned this topic.

Princess Anne was the original 'spare'. She doesn't appear to enjoy being royal and she has taken steps to ensure her children and grandchildren will not be part of a future royal family. Harry and Meghan want to be royal and their children to be royal. In doing so they are very much supporting the concept of 'Royalty'.

I think that is what Vanity Fair article is getting at. Harry does not like being a member of the Royal family, both in terms of immediate family and the concept of royalty. For Meghan to embrace titles is to embrace 'royalty' as a concept. It seems contradictory to me and suggests a warped sense of the notion of republicanism

@asundayphilosopher
Is your point to justify the relentless bullying. If they dropped the titles the bullying would stop- I doubt it.

They are not being paid by the UK tax payer so they can call themselves whatever they like as far as I'm concerned.

It was Anne's choice for her family, she was not forced. Let Harry make his choice as well.