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mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 01/04/2023 08:40

I thought H and M were a breathe of fresh air… but now I cannot be bothered with them and their victim narratives. They are two extremely rich individuals who have huge positive possibilities but are choosing to continue to chase negative ‘poor us/poor me/poor our children’ stories on Oprah/ spare etc It is sad and annoying!

Whaeanui · 01/04/2023 08:44

It seems contradictory to me and suggests a warped sense of the notion of republicanism

How ironic. No. If you believe in the whole thing, like Harry just said he still does, you would support people inheriting titles. If you don’t, it’s your position that’s contradictory.

There’s a lot of people with titles, there were two women on a housewives reality show with European titles and it didn’t mean anything. A princess and a countess. They worked, had normal lives.

I don’t really give a toss about titles as I’ve said a number of times so I’m not sure why I’m being tagged 🤷🏽‍♀️

asundayphilosopher · 01/04/2023 08:46

What I don't get is that I would respect them if they made it clear that they were done with royalty both in terms of immediate family and with the concept of royalty. They are not 'working' royals but they have made it clear that they want to continue to be regarded as 'Royal'. It's that bit that I find hard to understand

asundayphilosopher · 01/04/2023 08:54

I am a teacher and I had a colleague that insisted on being referred to as Doctor Smith by the kids. There were at least two other teachers who also had PHDs but never used the title. Many of us were uncomfortable with having to refer to them as Doctor although they had every right and had worked for the title.
I find titles used in personal life a bit embarrassing. Fine in a professional capacity. Royals who use the title as part of their working role in the royal family, I can understand but I would hope in their private lives they did not use them.
I think a title can get in the way and there is a danger that you see the title and not the person.

Mypatioisminging · 01/04/2023 09:07

asundayphilosopher · 01/04/2023 08:46

What I don't get is that I would respect them if they made it clear that they were done with royalty both in terms of immediate family and with the concept of royalty. They are not 'working' royals but they have made it clear that they want to continue to be regarded as 'Royal'. It's that bit that I find hard to understand

It’s this contradictory and hypocritical behaviour that’s the issue. I think some folks struggle to grasp that that’s the issue. South Park made a parody of the attention seeking v demands for privacy contradictory behaviour.

no one would really take issue with their interviews and the book if they then went off and had a private life, a separate career, but they aren’t doing that,

it’s they did those interviews for huge sums of money. Use their titles at every opportunity, and clearly want to be in the public eye and part of the royal family for any major royal events.

it was the same as the low carbon foot print travel agency , two return private jet trips, for Megan’s birthday celebration and then Elton johns villa. Whilst telling everyone else to reduce their carbon footprint immediately after.

telling folks they wished privacy and for their kids ro have privacy, whilst peppering their Netflix interviews with rhe little boys images and private family events

the behaviour is hypocritical, contradictory, with often exaggerated or wholly inaccurate and mainly petty stories, no career direction decided other than they want to be front and centre at big royal events and leverage their titles , but not do any of the mundane work, always calling the paps before they do anything remotely altruistic, complaining about lack of privacy and being leaked stories on, when selling for huge profit private stories in painful intimate detail on his family.

that’s why they are so unpopular, divides, and controversial. The majority of rhe public, going by the polls at least, dislike the behaviour and find it distasteful

blitheringblackberries · 01/04/2023 09:18

@Mypatioisminging agreed, a very accurate assessment

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asundayphilosopher · 01/04/2023 09:20

Exactly @Mypatioisminging .
I don't know Harry and Meghan. I don't come on here to bitch about them.
I just don't get the contradictions in their behaviour. Neither do I get the 'republican' posters on here who have every right to argue against the concept of monarchy. Yet, they support Harry and Meghan as quasi royalty and support their use of titles for them and their children.
I suppose it is all so contradictory. It doesn't make sense.

TrashyPanda · 01/04/2023 09:30

@Mypatioisminging sums it up

we don’t know them as individuals. We can only go by what they have put out into public, which is contradictory and hypocritical.

purpledalmation · 01/04/2023 09:31

@asundayphilosopher I put up a thread a while ago posting exactly this question, because it is counter intuitive to call the RF racists, to act as victims of them, to denigrate the whole system, declare you would willingly give up your own titles, then have the hypocrisy to call your DC prince and princess.

asundayphilosopher · 01/04/2023 09:46

@purpledalmation I am sorry I didn't see your thread. I agree.
I think many Americans were hugely flattered when Harry and Meghan chose the USA as an egalitarian, fair, non racist place to live.
However, I think they didn't like the nastiness of Harry's book and the insinuations about the Royal family. Everyone has a family and we would all hate a member of our family to go public. Meghan has fallen out with most of her family except her mother. Yet she chose to name her daughter after members of the royal family she claimed to be racist. She has chosen to keep and use her title and to insist her children use their titles.
It is all this contradictory behaviour that makes everyone uneasy including Americans. I think Meghan is intelligent and aware and has now realised that they are seen as pushy and unkind. Hence the going to ground and keeping a low profile for the time being.

Whaeanui · 01/04/2023 09:54

It is all this contradictory behaviour that makes everyone uneasy including Americans.

Who are you to speak for everyone? They’ve got a lot of support as well as their detractors. Everyone has a family, some unfortunately have toxic and unhealthy family’s. Those that do may be able to identify with H & M. Whatever you think of them, the level of animosity and criticism is completely disproportionate to whatever you think they’ve done. As for Meghan ‘insisting’ her children ‘use’ their title. It’s not hers to take away from them. Or yours. She hasn’t insisted they use it, they likely rarely will. You’ve attributed so much to her that is 1) shared responsibility and 2) intentions you’ve created.

Yesthatismychildsigh · 01/04/2023 09:55

Motnight · 31/03/2023 08:55

It is interesting that it is often women who treated like this by the media.

And judging by some of the utterly pathetic posts on here, it’s very often women doing the bullying. I don’t even feel the pity I should for those people, just contempt.

TheShellBeach · 01/04/2023 09:58

Roussette · 31/03/2023 08:54

Totally this.

She is a scapegoat for angry and unhappy people. She is a punch bag for those that have to take their nasty thoughts out on someone. The fact there is a human being, a woman, a mother behind all of this, seems to be an irrelevance.

I am neither angry nor unhappy, Roussette, and I can't bear MM.
The fact that she's a mother is entirely irrelevant.

TheShellBeach · 01/04/2023 10:00

Roussette · 31/03/2023 09:26

I don't understand what you mean.

She means that almost everyone agrees that Andrew is a reprehensible human being.

Cokefans · 01/04/2023 10:10

They’ve made hundreds of millions from trashing the family and only 4 grand in public donations to their charity. Plus two, probably one off, large donations by a couple of pals. Let’s hope those pals come through again or the charity is toast

Whaeanui · 01/04/2023 10:13

They don’t have a charity, they have a foundation. I don’t believe they seek donations from the public as such. Foundations of this nature don’t normally do that.

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 01/04/2023 10:17

Hi all. We have received some reports about the tone and direction of this thread (and indeed about others discussing H&M). We understand that on this issue, many posters will never agree - and that's fine - but posts that veer into personal attacks are not okay and we won't tolerate this. It does nothing to move discussions forward, upsets people and ultimately creates an environment where dissenting voices are discouraged . Play the ball and not the woman.

And as a reminder, please report anything you think we should take a look at. We may not see a post unless it's reported.

Thanks.

purpledalmation · 01/04/2023 10:19

@asundayphilosopher The majority thought it was incomprehensible and hypocritical with a few people saying it was their 'birthright'.

As for Americans not being taken in by the pair any longer...I think they have very highly tuned BS monitors and this couple are BS personified. The tanking of their popularity in America despite their huge expensive PR input is telling.

asundayphilosopher · 01/04/2023 10:21

@Whaeanui . I am going by the recent polls . Their 'popularity' has dropped significantly not just here but in America. To sell books, tv programmes etc they need to be 'popular'. I am sure it is cathartic to spill the beans as Harry has done. It is like having a one sided row, Harry has got a lot of stuff off his chest but many people feel sorry for those who have been attacked.It is never nice to witness a one sided attack as in 'Spare'.
However, I am interested in the posters who claim to be anti monarchy and yet support them so vociferously. I remember the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn when he did not want to sing God Save The Queen or bow his head to the Queen. I felt sympathy for him. He has a right to his political views. Yet so many anti monarchist posters on here are very pro the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their determination to remain royal with hereditary titles for their children

Whaeanui · 01/04/2023 10:21

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet thanks very much.

Cokefans · 01/04/2023 10:49

@Whaeanui yes, a foundation - not a charity. I wonder who the two donors were

Cokefans · 01/04/2023 10:50

I must say, as a newbie, I was expecting a lot more support for the Royal family and discussions about them. This seems to be the Meghan and Harry defence league 😂

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/04/2023 10:51

Thank you, @YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet and very well said

jeffgoldblum · 01/04/2023 11:13

Morning,
@PreparationPreparationPrep , I don't need to defend @Roussette , she does well on that front ( although I have in the past ) , we may disagree but we have always shown respect to each other.
I'm sorry I found accusations that Camilla made a white supremacy hand salute on arrival in Germany , to be offensive!

TrashyPanda · 01/04/2023 11:13

Well put, @YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

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