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Harry is in town to fight against the Daily Mail - VIDEO

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vera99 · 27/03/2023 09:58

I'm sure we will all wish him well fighting the good fight against the Fail !
https://twitter.com/elliecostelloTV/status/1640274470395838465

https://twitter.com/elliecostelloTV/status/1640274470395838465

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jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2023 23:42

I will admit that at first I blamed Meghan , but after his book and interviews, as far as I'm concerned the blame lies squarely with Harry and from his own mouth too! , I only criticise him from his own written words and what he's said , and that's more than enough!

PlanetLuna · 27/03/2023 23:43

Serenster · 27/03/2023 20:56

Just pointing out that there’s quite a lot of conflating and assumptions going on in this thread. Some points to clarify this.

The only news papers to date that have been proved in court to have used phone hacking were the Sun and the News of the World, both Murdoch-owned News International titles.

Various people at both publications were investigated for this, and some criminally prosecuted. Rebekah Brooks, famously, was acquitted (her defence laughably amounted to “I was actually a completely incompetent chief executive of that newspaper and so I didn’t have the foggiest idea what any of my reporters were up to” - 🙄). Former NOTW editor Andy Coulson (who was having an affair with Rebekah while all this was going on…) and reporter Clive Goodman were however convicted, along with a private investigator they used.

The lawsuits that posters above are referring to as being settled by hacking victims were all against News International publications, and have nothing to do with this case against ANL, the publisher of the Mail.

The number of times Harry/Kate/William’s phones were hacked also relate to the News International cases, and are not allegations against the Mail

This case is a new claim brought by Prince Harry and various other claimants against the Mail on the basis that they claim to have recently learned that it also used illegal means to obtain information for stories, including phone hacking. They are seeking compensation for breaches of their privacy, if the illegal tactics are proved (proving they happened will be what the case is all about, if they can get it off the ground).

Hacked Off, the activist group that campaigns for an accountable press, is also pushing for a public investigation into the Mail’s past practices.

There are two potential problems with this current case. Firstly, the fact that the abuses it alleges all took place a long time ago, starting in the early 2000s. Legally you normally only have six years within which to bring a court claim. If you start it after that six years are up, you are “out of time” and the claim will be struck out. That’s one of the main planks of the Mail’s defence, and what will be considered in these preliminary hearings.

Secondly, if you bring a claim out of time you can sometimes argue that the six years’ limit only started running once you found out about the unlawful activity, rather than when it actually happened. The problem here is that the Information Commissioner’s Office conducted its own investigation into journalism practices in 2003 and raided the office of a private investigator who worked for the Mail, amongst others, and revealed all the illegal tactics that he used for his clients. So it might be difficult to argue that no-one knew about this until recently.

This is all said without seeing any of the claimants’ evidence however - they may well be able to get around the timing problem. Good luck to them, too! (My own personal view is that Leveson 2 should have gone ahead and the press subjected to independent regulation to clean up their horrific practices).

Back to Hacked Off for a moment though. If the court case is deemed to be out of time, Harry would be best placed throwing his weight behind them, as an independent enquiry isn’t constrained by time limits and look can look back as far as it wants. It can’t award compensation to victims, however.

@Serenster
Many thanks for this most informative post!

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2023 23:44

One good deed doesn't exonerate the other actions.

PlanetLuna · 27/03/2023 23:51

VivienneDelacroix · 27/03/2023 22:18

The mumsnet "We hate Harry" brigade in full force then- having their thinking skills decimated by their bizarre repulsion for someone they've never met and has no bearing on their lives.
To make it easy for you:
You might willingly have photos of your house on Rightmove, but that doesn't give anyone the right to use false pretences to sneak into your property and take their own photos.

A family might open their Palace to the public in the summer months when they aren't there, but that doesn't mean they have no right to complaint if a member of the press then breaks into the Palace and goes hunting through their dildo drawer.

You might be naive enough to hand your WhatsApp messages over to a journalist to write a book about your amazing time as a politician and how you fell in love in a cupboard, but that still doesn't give the press any right to then hack your phone.

A person can share whatever they like, that doesn't take away their rights.

Beautifully put, @VivienneDelacroix.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2023 23:54

A family might open their Palace to the public in the summer months when they aren't there, but that doesn't mean they have no right to complaint if a member of the press then breaks into the Palace and goes hunting through their dildo drawer.

But there are many complaints about this all over this board!
I'm confused, is privacy only for those who are not royal or rich?

PlanetLuna · 28/03/2023 00:02

MarshaMelrose · 27/03/2023 22:49

First of all, I have condemned hacking over and over again. Any newspaper or individual who has been involved in hacking deserves what they get. No sympathy.
Secondly, I have said that anyone, including Harry, who has had their phone hacked has had the privacy invaded, which is a horrible thing to happen to you, and they deserve their compensation and to se the perpetrators humbled.
Thirdly, most of these people involved in this action have already been through court cases in the past. There were leaders back in the day, people like Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan who galvanised this. Hacked Off was founded in 2011. Lawyers were then involved. There have been ongoing actions against other papers without Harrys involvement throughout the 2010s and 2020s. Harry really isn't leading the way on this, although he might be the biggest name involved today.
Fourthly, I feel no need to denigrate Harry at every turn. Indeed one of my first posts on this thread was to disagree that Harry was in this for the money. I have supported some things that Harry has done since leaving the RF. However, I won't support him for betraying private confidences. And if he wants to talk about people's personal appearances, I'll talk about his personal appearance. Ultimately, if I disagree with what he's said/done I'll criticise him. if I agree with what he's said/done, I'll support him. I'll admit, I am obsessive about that!

Harry has been targeted and victimised by the tabloid media for literally his entire life. He has been uniquely (and courageously outspoken about this issue since he was a teenager. He has spoken publicly about press excesses and written extensively about it in his autobiography. He has at least four separate lawsuits against the tabloids underway. He didn’t cower & appease or cosy up to the tabloids out of fear or convenience. That’s leadership.

purpledalmation · 28/03/2023 01:34

Ishouldbeoutside · 27/03/2023 23:27

Why is someone drawing him in court?

You're not allowed to take photos in courts in the Uk. Rarely (in Scotland) there is video footage. Hence very quick drawers

purpledalmation · 28/03/2023 01:41

@PlanetLuna Harry hasn't been 'targeted' and 'victimised' all his life by the press. I think his behaviour has drawn attention to himself and been reported as such...nazi uniform, drunken brawls, drug taking, naked party going (or some such nonsense (I didn't read it). Don't you think he should have this behaviour reported? It's called taking responsibility. He compounds his awful behaviour by admitting to disabling comments, racist comments, more drug taking and an appalling one sided attack on his family. The ones who squashed an awful lot of the stories that could have come out but didn't.

skullbabe · 28/03/2023 02:08

MarshaMelrose · 27/03/2023 21:56

Oh @skullbabe , I'm sorry. That's crap. My sister, like I said, has terrible problems with thinning hair patches and uneven growing. She's a real trooper about it but I know it's really upsetting for her. I've bought her lots of things I see online but nothing helps. She's got a couple of wigs and clip ons to try and disguise things. But it takes quite a bit of confidence to wear wigs.
It really does seem to be an increasing problem or maybe more women are being brave enough to come forward to talk about it. My sister watches a few youtubers and the way they cope with much worse situations than hers has really helped her come to terms with it. And I use that term advisedly because, like you, as much as she, and I, try so hard to try and rectify the situation, realistically there is very little we can do to actually make it grow.
I do wish you all the best for the situation you find yourself in. ❤

Thank you @MarshaMelrose - it took a long time (9 years) to come to terms with it but I’ve found relative peace with it now.

skullbabe · 28/03/2023 02:10

Samcro · 27/03/2023 22:14

Sadly no

Just don’t engage at all

skullbabe · 28/03/2023 02:14

KrasiTime · 27/03/2023 22:23

Thank you 😍

skullbabe · 28/03/2023 02:17

PlanetLuna · 27/03/2023 21:59

Not being funny, @MarshaMelrose, but did you actually read “Spare”?

I ask because you keep using that word “betrayed”. Harry’s overall treatment of his family was pretty far from “betrayal”.

The answer is no.

skullbabe · 28/03/2023 02:47

purpledalmation · 28/03/2023 01:41

@PlanetLuna Harry hasn't been 'targeted' and 'victimised' all his life by the press. I think his behaviour has drawn attention to himself and been reported as such...nazi uniform, drunken brawls, drug taking, naked party going (or some such nonsense (I didn't read it). Don't you think he should have this behaviour reported? It's called taking responsibility. He compounds his awful behaviour by admitting to disabling comments, racist comments, more drug taking and an appalling one sided attack on his family. The ones who squashed an awful lot of the stories that could have come out but didn't.

Really?

https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/05/27/royal-exclusive-how-rebekah-brooks-had-prince-harrys-life-hacked-at-eton/

I understand- you don’t like Harry. But he was seriously targeted and victimised by the press. A grown woman paid investigators to stalk a 16 year old child. And when that didn’t work she tried to use the “Fake Sheikh” ruse on him too

https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/04/07/royal-exclusive-murdoch-ceo-brooks-illegally-spied-for-a-year-on-teen-prince-harry/

No matter what - it was not ok for a child to be hounded and reported on even though there were and are in place about stopping that very thing. And inspite of the law and common decency these people did not leave him (or his brother for that matter) alone when they were teens.

Absolutely - it was fair game he was reported on as an adult for the things he did as an adult but don’t downplay what happened when he was a child - he has been targeted by the press - by their own admission.

ROYAL EXCLUSIVE: How Rebekah Brooks had Prince Harry’s life hacked at Eton – Byline Investigates

https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/05/27/royal-exclusive-how-rebekah-brooks-had-prince-harrys-life-hacked-at-eton/

Roussette · 28/03/2023 06:03

HeddaGarbled · 27/03/2023 23:36

I think of Millie Dowler's parents, that false hope they were given, so so awful to go through that at the worst time ever

Not the current case. Different media organisation.

I know that? Of course I do.

I'm talking about hacking in general and the terrible effects that disgusting practice can wreak on someone

@skullbabe great post. Of course Harry was targeted and victimised by the press when they he was a teen (along with his brother) and both trying to grow up.

I wonder if William ever thinks what it will be like for his three at that age. Before this case came to court, I said a year or so ago when this case was talked about that I think he should be grateful what Harry is actually doing here. It could have a positive effect for any royal child/teen growing up in the future trying to form relationships with others

blitheringblackberries · 28/03/2023 06:21

Harry’s hypocrisy betrays his deep-seated solipsism and immaturity. He believes in ‘privacy’ when it comes to things he’d like to keep hidden – but has no qualms about invading the privacy of others.

Just like he believes in a royal hierarchy when it serves to make him ‘more important’ than his cousins but takes exception to it when it makes him much less important than his brother or nephews.

The pretense that he is making a stand for noble principles when he is transparently just pursuing his own interests is laughable.

Roussette · 28/03/2023 06:30

No comments on the validity of this case then?

Just Harry. These posts knocking him endlessly are repetitive and boring.

Well done Harry for fighting this case along with Elton John, Baroness Lawrence, Sadie Frost and more.

Roussette · 28/03/2023 06:34

The pretense that he is making a stand for noble principles when he is transparently just pursuing his own interests is laughable

See that's where you're totally wrong. He has talked endlessly about press intrusion in his book, in interviews, everywhere...he has a beef about it and wants to fight. Along with others.
Well done him and all those involved in this case.

Rhondaa · 28/03/2023 07:41

blitheringblackberries · 28/03/2023 06:21

Harry’s hypocrisy betrays his deep-seated solipsism and immaturity. He believes in ‘privacy’ when it comes to things he’d like to keep hidden – but has no qualms about invading the privacy of others.

Just like he believes in a royal hierarchy when it serves to make him ‘more important’ than his cousins but takes exception to it when it makes him much less important than his brother or nephews.

The pretense that he is making a stand for noble principles when he is transparently just pursuing his own interests is laughable.

Exactly. As always a writing mass of inconsistencies and contrariness. He must tie himself in knots with his 'truths'.

Roussette · 28/03/2023 08:04

Byline Times reporting of yesterday's events.

https://bylineinvestigates.com/2023/03/27/harry-and-elton-john-watch-as-mail-fights-for-confidentiality/

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 08:08

The Daily Mail is deeply embarrassed by – and clearly furious about – these proceedings. It has always denied that its journalists illegally hacked phones or intruded in privacy in other illegal ways and these allegations from a very high-profile group of claimants have thrown it on to the back foot.
More than that, the involvement of Baroness Lawrence is a stunning development. The Mail and its editor-in-chief, Paul Dacre, have long prided themselves in their closeness to the widely-admired mother of Stephen Lawrence, a black teenager murdered by a white gang in 1993.
On the limited evidence about her claim that is so far available, it appears she is accusing the paper of spying on her in various ways over a number of years.

Rhondaa · 28/03/2023 08:24

I thought the Mail actually campaigned for the murderers successfully to be brought to justice after the many police cock ups in the Lawrence case? I think I'd focus on that.

Obviously if there was any press intrusion that is not acceptable of course.

Whaeanui · 28/03/2023 08:29

I thought the Mail actually campaigned for the murderers successfully to be brought to justice after the many police cock ups in the Lawrence case? I think I'd focus on that.

Did you just. Maybe you could try listening to his mother who does not believe that at all and is a claimant. How dare you tell her to focus on their reporting of her son rather than their using her and her family and their illegal targeting of her. It’s not the daily Mail who brought the killers to justice. Jfc

Roussette · 28/03/2023 08:29

Rhondaa · 28/03/2023 08:24

I thought the Mail actually campaigned for the murderers successfully to be brought to justice after the many police cock ups in the Lawrence case? I think I'd focus on that.

Obviously if there was any press intrusion that is not acceptable of course.

Yes, they did. However, they also spied on Baronness Lawrence and she claims they hacked her phone to obtain information on her murdered son potentially disrupting the police investigation. Her phone was tapped between 1993 and 2007 and voicemails intercepted.

Roussette · 28/03/2023 08:31

It’s not the daily Mail who brought the killers to justice

Exactly. They just wanted to sell papers.

skullbabe · 28/03/2023 08:32

Roussette · 28/03/2023 06:34

The pretense that he is making a stand for noble principles when he is transparently just pursuing his own interests is laughable

See that's where you're totally wrong. He has talked endlessly about press intrusion in his book, in interviews, everywhere...he has a beef about it and wants to fight. Along with others.
Well done him and all those involved in this case.

Literally Harry does talk about the press a fair bit (he will always bring up the press) - it’s almost as if people haven’t been listening to what he says.

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