Royal popularity bounces back led by William and Kate - Ipso poll

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Royal popularity bounces back in UK after Harry book saga – led by William and Kate | The Independent

4 countries have been suspended from the Commonwealth - Fiji, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Zimbabwe. Pakistan has been suspended twice, Fiji three times, and Zimbabwe withdrew from the Commonwealth and joins Ireland as states that have withdrawn. Just looking into the history of the Commonwealth, it's fascinating why Burma and Israel initially could not join because they were republics and would not accept the King as their HOS but then when India was becoming a republic (and a signficant population possibly being lost from the numbers) - they changed this rule to have the King being recognised as the Head of the Commonwealth as opposed to the HOS.

I love these thread tangents - I think I will now spend time reading through the various declarations (fascinating to me as I was at one of the declarations but didn't know it because I was a child and I found politicians blathering on and on signficantly tedious - and now looking back and realising what that was all about is funny)

I am alarmed daily by the rise in authoritarianism in this country as espoused by a very worrisome statement by a poster in this thread and is increasingly becoming more and more evident in our politics.

Zimbabwe's current problems are nothing to do with leaving the Commonwealth. In any event, the Commonwealth departure was because the then UK govt wanted to play colonial master over Zimbabwe's land reforms. Given that Zimbabwe's independence war, which was not supported by Margaret Thatcher's government at the time, who took side of apartheid South Africa, was fought over land, it stands to reason that the government would choose its own land policy over being part of the Commonwealth.

This is not a political platform for your political views. It's a discussion forum for parental support and discussing news.

Zimbabwe's biggest problem now seems to be corruption.

Even if Britain were to pay vast reparations to former colonies, the likelihood of these funds being fairly distributed seems slight.

Not everybody knows what this agenda is about. It should not be allowed.

Not everybody knows what this agenda is about. It should not be allowed.

Sorry, you've lost me? What are you talking about?

What exactly are my political views?

I disagree with your characterisation of this forum and certainly many people would be surprised that there are to be no discussions of politics or anything else - the discussion of the RF is political, as is Brexit, as is Trump (longstanding threads about him). There are discussions covering the entire breadth of interests on this forum as there are people.

Mean while, from the Telegraph

Is it about the Commonwealth? Since when can posters not give their views about this on the RF board or MN. There are posters praising the system others not. Can posters not praise them either?

They’re free to leave - just like m and h - that didn’t go too well though did it ?

So why are they still part of the commonwealth? Financial benefits. No more and no less.

Some of the comments on the royal boards re commonwealth countries are awful, inaccurate and completely ignorant. Aotearoa NZ was colonised, Maori are a minority in their own country so we don’t have the power to leave on our own if we were allowed a referendum. The colonisers descendants make up most of the population so there’s your answer.

we don’t want your money, a mere fraction of what is owed to us for OUR LAND which is what we actually want, oh and the sovereignty promised us.

They’re free to leave - just like m and h - that didn’t go too well though did it ?

What a gross comment to make to colonised people.

They were colonized a very long time ago. Point stands they can leave anytime they want. Just like other countries have done.

How many times has the monarchy to say : It's up to the people. If they don't want a monarchy it's fine with us.

They were colonized a very long time ago. Point stands they can leave anytime they want. Just like other countries have done.

NO. Not a long time ago. Go educate thyself. My grandmother had land taken by force, not ages ago. Ok.

We, the colonised, cannot leave. We are depleted in numbers, half of us dying because of the diseases British brought to our lands and then by being colonised and intentionally ‘assimilated’. This was a crown policy in NZ, ‘ to assimilate the natives’ by encouraging and rewarding mixed marriages to ‘breed out the natives’, and like Hawaii and others, decreed anyone less than 50% to be ‘not native’.

Go educate your ignorant self.

The commonwealth was initially designed , in my opinion, to soften the blow to a certain British psyche over the loss of empire

The initial grouping was made up of former exploited colonies .

I think many rabid royalists do think that the Windsors control other countries .
The commonwealth is a group of nations who trade . The queen was head of state of 16 out of 56( ?) of these countries
The role of the Windsors is steadily diminishing .Many countries are removing links to the uk . The queen imposed Charles as automatic head of the commonwealth , no questions asked .
India has been a republic for 70 years but is still a member of the commonwealth.

Barbados has become a republic and Jamaica will soon follow ,
Australia likely next.
Becoming a republic has nothing to do with membership of the commonwealth - though I believe the queen tried to make accepting the Windsors as head of state a condition when the commonwealth was set up . How very predictable

The monarchy affects a minority of the Commonwealth states - there are a few who still have the King as their Head of State but most states in the Commonwealth are republics.

Point is the same. Was a long time ago. Can leave anytime they want. If they want out right this second nobody is stopping them. Even monarchy is saying if you want to go you are free to do so. Nobody is stopping you.

A lot of countries have already done so. Even as far back as FIFTY years ago. And I expect a lot will follow in the coming years.

Monarchy itself doesn't care. If you want to stay fine if not also fine.

What more do you want..... It's up to your own governments and people and nobody else.

@Samcro

A poster a while ago gave a funny account of how she does her poll responses

The only poll I'm interested in is the one which gives us a vote on our head of state

Obviously the monarchy today aren’t forcing commonwealth countries to stay, they are ‘free’ to leave but you have to think about that it historical context and what that means to some especially when it comes to the ‘Britishness’ of their culture. With relation to this thread, the popularity of the British monarchy would dive if their only relevance was in their own country, if all countries left and there were no overseas interest in them I think that would mean ending up like other European royal family’s who have normalish lives with the odd official engagement but full time jobs etc

It really wasn’t that long ago - you may recall the court case in 2012 in which(living) victims of colonialism were granted the right to claim compensation from the British government from the systematic abuse and torture inflicted on the Kenyan people by British colonial officials in part due to the meticulous records kept by us. People affected by these things are very much still alive.

Regardless you are right - the people who wish to leave should do so. But it is churlish to believe that giving money to these formally colonised nations after building wealth by taking resources out of those places is anything but fair.

Taking it back to the OP - the RF should be pleased by the polls. With so much going on the world it can be tough to stay relevant and keep people engaged but it looks like they’re doing a good job.

Mindless destruction of institutions and systems and objects is very easy to undertake. Constructing a better alternative is harder. The ideas of hot headed ideologues (and even dictators) may sound attractive but are often untranslatable into real life success stories.

it does really depend on who you ask, thats why imo polls are irrelevant.